Anyone watching the Brown/Coakley race?

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What the heck does Palin have to do with this Massachusetts Senate race to fill Kennedy's seat?

No, no, no my friend..... it's the People's seat.

Does anyone else find it funny that we made a SPORT out of an EMERGENCY PROCEDURE?!?!

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This already semi-dated article in the San Francisco Chronicle sums things up pretty squarely:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2010/01/19/MNU81BJRM1.DTL

I particularly like this paragraph:

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For Boxer, a favorite Republican target, a GOP win in Massachusetts would be a particularly dark sign representing "not just the canary in the coal mine," said Wade Randlett, a leading Silicon Valley fundraiser for Obama. "It's the flock of dead ravens landing on the lawn."

The overall tone of the article is fairly even though. It is not a full blown referendum (yet) for the mid-terms. Sen. Boxer isn't out of the running yet, and I suspect she'll be a viable contender in November. Speaker Pelosi is certainly not at any real risk.

SF Mayor Gavin Newsom get's it though.

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"This is real," he said. "At our own peril, we dismiss these tea parties as ... some sort of isolated extremism. ... It's not."

I think the left will attempt to shore things up and moderate the agenda. If the economy turns around reliably, November will not be a cake-walk for conservatives or the "Tea Party" movement, but the damage is essentially done. However, if things languish, or if somehow the democrats manage to not see the blood in the water in the wake of Virginia, New Jersey, and last night...then ravens are going to wind up on the endangered species list.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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but this seat is up again for election in November right?

I believe its up for re-election in 2012.

I heard via the news it was this year

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/19/politics/main6117658.shtml

"Brown will finish Kennedy's unexpired term, facing re-election in 2012. "

thanks
I didnt know for sure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The ability to do this is part of most IQ tests and people that can't usually score pretty badly.

What are you implying Mr Moderator?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[rehmwa 2]

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7 points? What kind of voodoo math are you doing?

While some people call a 5 point victory a landslide, most don't.

But is it significant in the context of how Mass citizens are voting?

what was the normal margin of win for Kennedy in the last couple elections vs this - how much did the sentiment change? how big was the swing from previous expectations

maybe we don't use the word "landslide" that's for presidential elections when one guy takes 49 of 50 states......

but "landslide" does reflect the sentiment of Massachusetts (sp)-for-gosh-sakes-so freakin-left-of-a-state voting in a guy like this

you have to forgive them for not using the correct term, I mean, clearly they are fundamentalist wackos and you have to compensate for the IQ delta

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The ability to do this is part of most IQ tests and people that can't usually score pretty badly.

What are you implying Mr Moderator?

That he doesn't have a real argument so he's resorting to PA's so he doesnt have to look wrong! What do I win?

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[JohnDeere 0]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Massachusetts,_1994

Poll results. You can further back in the top right corner.

1988
Kennedy Other Other
Popular vote 1,693,344 884,267
Percentage 64.97% 33.93%

1994

Popular vote 1,265,997 894,000
Percentage 58.07% 41.01%

2000

Popular vote 1,889,494 334,341 308 860
Percentage 72.69% 12.86% 11.88%

2006

Popular vote 1,500,738 661,532
Percentage 69.30% 30.55%

BTW All the way back to 1964 it shows that he won every county every election. Quade, I guess in lala land you could say this wasnt a landslide but most of us live in reality

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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> This still wasn't a landslide....

I think it was a landslide. Coakley was polling a 20 point lead several weeks ago and lost by a 5 point spread.

Having a majority of Independents, and about 20 percent of the Democratic vote crossing over is a landslide event.

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I guess in lala land you could say this wasnt a landslide but most of us live in reality

I wouldn't use the word landslide - but it was a HUGE swing and the dems would be foolish to not take this as a big message about their spending agenda.

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7 points? What kind of voodoo math are you doing?

While some people call a 5 point victory a landslide, most don't.

It's the kind of math when you subtract 46 from 53, which was the count at the time we were having this discussion. It may continue to move until the absentee ballots are counted.

Coakley didn't even win Kennedy's hometown - that's why it's a landslide, though I'll grant that 5 isn't the same as 7. (The normal definition would be 10+ points)

I see you have no actual substance on the matter of your unsuitable Palin reference.

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7 points? What kind of voodoo math are you doing?

While some people call a 5 point victory a landslide, most don't.

It's the kind of math when you subtract 46 from 53, which was the count at the time we were having this discussion. It may continue to move until the absentee ballots are counted.

Coakley didn't even win Kennedy's hometown - that's why it's a landslide, though I'll grant that 5 isn't the same as 7. (The normal definition would be 10+ points)

I see you have no actual substance on the matter of your unsuitable Palin reference.

since Obama won by 26 and brown won by 5 that would be a 31 point swing, I would call that a landslide

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since Obama won by 26 and brown won by 5 that would be a 31 point swing, I would call that a landslide

I was unaware Obama was running for the Senate seat in Mass.

quade -
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since Obama won by 26 and brown won by 5 that would be a 31 point swing, I would call that a landslide

I was unaware Obama was running for the Senate seat in Mass.

How long do you give the GOP piranas to attack en masse with the first thing he as a moderate does like Sen Snowe? He is a northeastern kind of republican and not a PURE republican as defined by the far right wing of the Tea Bagging Party of NO.

One of the rebuliclowns here has already described him as a "progressive light"

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How long do you give the GOP piranas to attack en masse with the first thing he as a moderate does like Sen Snowe? He is a northeastern kind of republican and not a PURE republican as defined by the far right wing of the Tea Bagging Party of NO.

The truth is, it doesn't have to be him.

Previously Lieberman was thought of as the big swing and now Brown is in there too. It's entirely possible they try to knock each other over on the way to the feeding trough of being counted as #60 on the side of health care. It certainly lowers Lieberman's position so he may be slightly more willing to deal. Brown has already stated he wants a health care bill passed and is more interested in what's in it for Mass. than the party.

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I was unaware Obama was running for the Senate seat in Mass.

But he did make that late run to the state linking the race to his agenda-which is more than Palin did yet you drag her name in to it.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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I was unaware Obama was running for the Senate seat in Mass.

But he did make that late run to the state linking the race to his agenda-which is more than Palin did yet you drag her name in to it.

If I were to say that Coakley met her Waterloo would that have meant she flew to the city of Waterloo and shook its hand?

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One of the rebuliclowns here has already described him as a "progressive light"

How sweet you got your pantys all twisted up. It takes such a "big" person to attack the messenger and not the message. But I would expect no less from you!

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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Nope, but it would only be slightly more inaccurate that your newly stated position was strictly a race based on local issues.
The truth is that a lot of people who aren't right wing wackos aren't comfortable marching lock step into the collective-and we tend to vote in EVERY election.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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Nope, but it would only be slightly more inaccurate that your newly stated position was strictly a race based on local issues.

Nope. Never said that, in fact, didn't even try to imply that. What I WAS trying to imply was that his motivations might not actually be the same as what some people are so fired up about.

quade -
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One of the rebuliclowns here has already described him as a "progressive light"

How sweet you got your pantys all twisted up. It takes such a "big" person to attack the messenger and not the message. But I would expect no less from you!

Oh gee was that you.. you do get all butt hurt kinda easy.

So how long will it be before he is not republican enough for you???


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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One of the rebuliclowns here has already described him as a "progressive light"

How sweet you got your pantys all twisted up. It takes such a "big" person to attack the messenger and not the message. But I would expect no less from you!

Oh gee was that you.. you do get all butt hurt kinda easy.

So how long will it be before he is not republican enough for you???


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Never had my butt hurt, how does it feel? I never said he was conservative enough for me. I did think he was better than Coakley. He is most likely a damn Yankee republican. Not who I would be looking for to run down here, but can't expect much better politicians from Yankee land

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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He is most likely a damn Yankee republican. Not who I would be looking for to run down here, but can't expect much better politicians from Yankee land

It's a pity some folks can't see America rather than North, South, Red, Blue.

quade -
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Also, it's a pity that some Americans feel that all Americans should have the same ideas that they do.

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He is most likely a damn Yankee republican. Not who I would be looking for to run down here, but can't expect much better politicians from Yankee land

It's a pity some folks can't see America rather than North, South, Red, Blue.

As if you have room to talk.

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

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He is most likely a damn Yankee republican. Not who I would be looking for to run down here, but can't expect much better politicians from Yankee land

It's a pity some folks can't see America rather than North, South, Red, Blue.

As if you have room to talk.

Back that up. Do a search and find my disparaging remarks about a region and its people to prove your point. I'm comfortable with whatever you actually find.

Go for it.

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