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Do you believe that non-believers in christianity should have to shut up?No! and that is NOT what he posted.

Yes, it is.

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Do you believe that gays should shut up about being gay? No, I dont.... I feel they can do what ever they want in the bedroom but I should not have hear about it

What? You think that gays shouldn't shut up, but you also feel that you shouldn't have to hear about them being gay?

Um, if gay people talk about being gay, I'm afraid that you are going to hear about it from time to time. The only way you can not hear about it is if they shut up about it, which you just denied wanting. See the contradiction here?

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You on the other hand projected exactly what you accused me of.

No, unfortunately that pesky attention to detail thing is getting in your way again. Concentrate on understanding the posts you're reading and being consistent in what you're writing and you'll see what I'm getting at.

So, you post here that it is what he posted and then you tell him sorry for not reading his post correctly????

Then you call me on detail

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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What? You think that gays shouldn't shut up, but you also feel that you shouldn't have to hear about them being gay?

firstly, there's a big difference between "should" and "should have to". I think a lot of people should shut up. Mostly, I don't want to hear it, because I don't care.

I also think that the Christians that profess their faith to me are much more annoying than the guy people I know who tell me they're gay. To be more specific, I've not had a single gay person try to convert me. Can't say so much for the Christians (even though I'm already Christian, I'm not THEIR brand of Christian).

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Except this belief did have factual basis. You didn't far enough into the thread. Way to go quickdraw.

So, if you believe something that is wrong, as long as it's based on somebody else's belief that has nothing at all to do with reality, it's ok. You're still right.

Get real! In 1972 I wasn't writing a term paper. It was just campfire talk between sport parachutists. Another quickdraw, and you missed me also.

I'm so sorry Ron, I realise now that I've done you a great diservice and I owe you an apology. It was entirely juvenile of me, and derogatory to you, to suggest that you were basing your knowledge on "what some guy told you at a bar". It is obvious to me now that knowledge based on "what some guy told you round a campfire" is an entirely more forceful and logical intellectual proposition.

What you and quade do not seem to understand is that in the 1972 era, the peace symbol as a broken cross was a common folktale. The resource post indicated that the folktale wrongly attributed its origin to The John Birsch Society as a antichrist symbol. However, that does not take away from the fact that the story circulated at the time without challenge. I acknowledged same and my error. Now will you guys just get a life.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Started out as a Christian nation - ok[/Blue]

Except even that is a myth. America was settled as a for-profit proposition. Some of the people involved were Christian, sure, but that wasn't the motivation at all.

Settled "as" vs settled "for" vs settled "of"

you might want to rewrite history to your own cynical bias, but for profit settling is absolutely true, but it doesn't change the demographics of those that did it

I think it's safe to say that the original population with overwhelmingly of christian content

tell youwhat, you get me the breakdown - how much was buddist, muslim, and Hindu vs christian background and you might make your point

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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I think it's safe to say that the original population with overwhelmingly of christian content

I'm pretty sure the Native Americans would disagree with this statement.
Also, it's irrelevent, as the founding document of our nation and its subsequent edits have made it clear that our nation has no national religion. Hopefully, it never will.

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He was talking about his family, not the country - perhaps you missed that in your rush to condemn him for not being PC enough.

He was talking about what his family taught him about "what America is about".

And he's *STILL* not talking about the government. Strike one.

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Perhaps you missed that in your rush to defend any conservative against any liberal no matter what the subject.

Strike two.

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I mean seriously, do you honestly think that what he stated in his post is "what America is about", or are you just defending him because it's me?

Neither - he's talking about the values passed on by his parents/grandparents, not about the gov't.

Strike three, and you're out. Thanks for playing.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[jakee 1,493]

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So, you post here that it is what he posted and then you tell him sorry for not reading his post correctly????

I haven't apologised for not reading his post correctly. Know why? Because I read it correctly.

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Then you call me on detail

I certainly have, because, once again, you've got it wrong.

And I notice that you haven't actually responded to any of the contradictions I've pointed out in your post.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Yes I have. When I was outside I was very careful. When I returned home I was greatly relieved.

We used to feel safe here until the liberals began to gain power.

and some will call me paranoid!!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[jakee 1,493]

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And he's *STILL* not talking about the government.

If you have actually read his post, you could not possibly believe that. Let's look, shall we?

"They did not believe that America has to apologize." America, not his family. Strike one.

"They believed America is a Christian nation". America, not his family. Strike two.

"They believed that if you have to go to war make sure you do everything you can to completely destroy your enemy. After the war do everything you can to help them reconstruct their decimated country. Never allow the war to reach our borders." Who's war? Who's enemy? Who's borders? America's, not his family's.

Thus, what America and the American government is about, not what his family is about. Strike fuckin' three.

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Neither - he's talking about the values passed on by his parents/grandparents, not about the gov't.

As completely and conclusively shown above, it's about what he and his family believe about the country and the government, and those beliefs are, to a large degree, wrong.

You really should see this by now, and in fact, I'm pretty sure you do, but any conservative, any liberal....

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,493]

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I acknowledged same and my error.

Well, no, you didn't. You said that you were still right and that your opinion was factually based. Since neither of those things are true (It's a fact that someone said it to you but that doesn't mean it's factual) you should probably make your acknowledgements a little clearer in future unless you want people to continue calling you on this stuff.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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As completely and conclusively shown above, it's about what he and his family believe about the country and the government, and those beliefs are, to a large degree, wrong.

In your opinion - and his family STILL isn't the government.

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You really should see this by now, and in fact, I'm pretty sure you do, but any conservative, any liberal....

Any atheist...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[RonD1120 62]

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I acknowledged same and my error.

Well, no, you didn't. You said that you were still right and that your opinion was factually based. Since neither of those things are true (It's a fact that someone said it to you but that doesn't mean it's factual) you should probably make your acknowledgements a little clearer in future unless you want people to continue calling you on this stuff.

I guess it's just an American thing. Speaking the language of another nation does necessarily bring meaning. The meaning gets lost in the translation. I speak American.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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Yes I have. When I was outside I was very careful. When I returned home I was greatly relieved.

We used to feel safe here until the liberals began to gain power.

and some will call me paranoid!!

And your point is?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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it's speakers corner - there doesn't have to be any point that holds in real live in any of the posts in here
. and there are some people posting here, that would scare the crap out of me with their display of self-righteous BS

i guess he just wanted to tell you, that you are one of these people for him

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

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[RonD1120 62]

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it's speakers corner - there doesn't have to be any point that holds in real live in any of the posts in here
. and there are some people posting here, that would scare the crap out of me with their display of self-righteous BS

i guess he just wanted to tell you, that you are one of these people for him

I have always understood and accepted what you stated above as a basis of any internet interaction. But, I gotta tell ya, you really gave me a good laugh to start my day. Thank you.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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To be more specific, I've not had a single gay person try to convert me. Can't say so much for the Christians (even though I'm already Christian, I'm not THEIR brand of Christian).

I just tell people that I am a plain ol' vanilla Christian and leave it at that. Remember, there are some cults that claim to be Christian and are not.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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Started out as a Christian nation - ok[/Blue]

Except even that is a myth. America was settled as a for-profit proposition. Some of the people involved were Christian, sure, but that wasn't the motivation at all.

Settled "as" vs settled "for" vs settled "of"

you might want to rewrite history to your own cynical bias, but for profit settling is absolutely true, but it doesn't change the demographics of those that did it

I think it's safe to say that the original population with overwhelmingly of christian content

tell youwhat, you get me the breakdown - how much was buddist, muslim, and Hindu vs christian background and you might make your point

I think it would be safe to say that the gentleman is totally motivated by profit. That is his world.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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As completely and conclusively shown above, it's about what he and his family believe about the country and the government, and those beliefs are, to a large degree, wrong.

You really should see this by now, and in fact, I'm pretty sure you do, but any conservative, any liberal....

You are basing your belief on observations you see on TV. You do not live here. Therefore, as I said at the start, your opinion of the American way of life don't mean squat because you are not a citizen here.

If you are a U.S. citizen and choose to live in the UK, then you are ashamed of America and have another agenda. If that is the case then fess up.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,493]

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In your opinion - and his family STILL isn't the government.

Where did I ever say it was? It is what he and his family believe about the country and the government, and what they believe about the country and the government is wrong.

Let's put it this way, if I said to you that my family passed down to me the values that America is a fascist nation ruled by dictatorship and martial law, would you say I was mistaken? After all, according to you, I'm only talking about me and my family, not America

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,493]

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You are basing your belief on observations you see on TV.

No, like I said, I'm basing it on having read the constitution, and knowing a bit about history.

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If you are a U.S. citizen and choose to live in the UK, then you are ashamed of America

Wow. Just wow. Is insularity and xenohobia a virtue now? Do you honestly think that expanding one's horizons and experiencing life in different countries and cultures is something to be ashamed of? I'm speechless.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

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You are basing your belief on observations you see on TV.

No, like I said, I'm basing it on having read the constitution, and knowing a bit about history.

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If you are a U.S. citizen and choose to live in the UK, then you are ashamed of America

Wow. Just wow. Is insularity and xenohobia a virtue now? Do you honestly think that expanding one's horizons and experiencing life in different countries and cultures is something to be ashamed of? I'm speechless.

Like a continual dripping, a puppy yapping, constant whining, I can no longer relate to you with any seriousness. G'day mate and good luck. It's all you got to go on.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,493]

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Like a continual dripping, a puppy yapping, constant whining, I can no longer relate to you with any seriousness. G'day mate and good luck. It's all you got to go on.

Fair do's, y'old mentalist.

You may have proven incapable of seeing sense or reason, but at least you kept up your own standards of civilised, adult discourse. Ah, wait - no. Shame.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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In your opinion - and his family STILL isn't the government.

Where did I ever say it was? It is what he and his family believe about the country and the government, and what they believe about the country and the government is wrong.

Let's put it this way, if I said to you that my family passed down to me the values that America is a fascist nation ruled by dictatorship and martial law, would you say I was mistaken? After all, according to you, I'm only talking about me and my family, not America

I'd ask if you lived in New Zealand...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Like a continual dripping, a puppy yapping, constant whining, I can no longer relate to you with any seriousness. G'day mate and good luck. It's all you got to go on.

Fair do's, y'old mentalist.

You may have proven incapable of seeing sense or reason, but at least you kept up your own standards of civilised, adult discourse. Ah, wait - no. Shame.

Kettle, meet pot - you've hardly kept to the 'high road' yourself, mate.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[jakee 1,493]

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In your opinion - and his family STILL isn't the government.

Where did I ever say it was? It is what he and his family believe about the country and the government, and what they believe about the country and the government is wrong.

Let's put it this way, if I said to you that my family passed down to me the values that America is a fascist nation ruled by dictatorship and martial law, would you say I was mistaken? After all, according to you, I'm only talking about me and my family, not America

I'd ask if you lived in New Zealand...

Well, if I actually believed that it'd be a fair question

But seriously, since you're now dodging the question I'll assume you see my point?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?