Feds finally got one right

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You mean, like sodomy laws, gay marriage or abortion? This was (and still is) normal for Republicans to make it illegal just because they do not like it.

So you agree that's wrong for either party to arbitrarily ban things on subjective issues. So far so good.


the alternative response to this note is that it looks like you just want both parties to commit an equal number injustices to the people - but that's silly

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Actually I'm traveling 40 plus weeks a year driving over 100K miles, have seen 20 different kinds of stupid on the road and committed 18 of them. Read S-L-O-W-L-Y and you might notice that I was not commenting on a single point but an apparent attitude trend (hint word "various"). Now that I've brought you up to speed with the rest of the class-feel free to continue at your own pace.

OK. So you are travelling 40+ weeks a year, not too much more than I do. If again I read SLOWLY your post ...

I suspect a deeply held belief that someone else should be responsible for taking care of him. ...

it still tells me the same: Poor BS reply.

An experienced driver like you really should know how dangerous it could be being distracted by phoning, perhaps argueing with wife, kids etc. by phone - don't tell me I'm wrong.

If you like to shove it into a political issue, right away. It's still ridiculous.

Back to your own class, whatever that might be.

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[georgerussia 0]

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So you agree that's wrong for either party to arbitrarily ban things on subjective issues. So far so good.

Sodomy is an obvious subjective issue (safe for 3rd parties).
Texting while driving is not a subjective issue (unsafe for 3rd parties).

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absolutely - ban "behavior" - not objects. glad you understand that criminals are to blame for breaking laws, not inanimate objects

Banning behavior often includes banning objects as well. You do know that at least in CA (and I believe in TX) you cannot have open alcohol in your car (only in trunk)? This is separate from drunk driving - i.e. you can be fined just because you have open alcohol.

I wonder would you support legalizing all drugs, making available cyanide gas, grenades, machine guns, maybe even nuclear bombs? After all, it is behavior which should be banned, not objects, right?

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guns - we cannot ban stupid people, we only can ban stupid behavior. So the law is needed.

absolutely - ban "behavior" - not objects. glad you understand that criminals are to blame for breaking laws, not inanimate objects

Anti-texting laws do ban behavior. You can still have your cell phone. You can still text on it. You can even cuddle with it if you like. You just can't text while driving. That is a behavior that has been banned in certain areas/situations.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Hands-free devices offer only a token difference. The distraction isn't the act of holding the phone, it is the mental distraction of talking to a person who is not physically present.

Speaking only for myself, I find myself far less distracted with a hands-free, as well as the added benefit of having both hands, well, free to use my turn signal and flip the bird to that asshat over there - more similar to having a conversation with someone in the back seat. For me. Of course, I have mad skilz.

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Of course, I have mad skilz

Of course you do.

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I hate stupid drivers. Can we get rid of them as well?

well, apparently we can at least limit their stupidity.

Not successfully. In CA, the CHP reports very low compliance with the recent laws on texting or hands free use. The Governor's wife has been photographed on numerous occasions violating the latter.

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I hate stupid drivers. Can we get rid of them as well?

well, apparently we can at least limit their stupidity.

Not successfully. In CA, the CHP reports very low compliance with the recent laws on texting or hands free use. The Governor's wife has been photographed on numerous occasions violating the latter.

Since she is a blood-relative to the Kennedys the laws do not apply to her. Therefor she was not violating any laws....that apply to her.

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I swear I'm typing as slow as I can and you still ignore that I was talking about several issues and you're trying to compress it to one. Doesn't work, won't work-can't help you.

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so are these drivers federally licensed or is this just the administration using interstate commerce to assert control over what should be a state issue?

I don't disagree that texting while driving is terribly distracting. And careless driving is already illegal.

There didn't need to be laws made, just a definition tweaked. Anyone who's ever read penal code should know that there's usually a definitions section at the beginning of each section of code. Tweak it to define careless driving to include texting or talking while not on a hands-free device.

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so are these drivers federally licensed or is this just the administration using interstate commerce to assert control over what should be a state issue?

The latter.

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There didn't need to be laws made, just a definition tweaked. Anyone who's ever read penal code should know that there's usually a definitions section at the beginning of each section of code. Tweak it to define careless driving to include texting or talking while not on a hands-free device.

Then there'd have to be revisions in 51 separate jurisdictions. This way, the federal govt is able to enact a certain uniform standard nation-wide with a single edict, at least as long as the truck or bus is subject to interstate travel.

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I would want to make illegal unsafe driving actions - so if a cop sees someone cross a line/drift, or nearly rear ends someone, etc, that is the reasong to pull them over - failure of control, or failure of attention, etc. The reason doesn't much matter.

Things vary from state to state, but that sort of driving is already illegal in Texas. I would assume its illegal in other states as well. Failing to maintain a single lane is a great example. Hundreds of stops each day are conducted across the state for that alone. Typically for DWI enforcement, but I know many officers use that sort of driving to help educate people on how badly they drive while texting, etc.

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Banning behavior often includes banning objects as well. You do know that at least in CA (and I believe in TX) you cannot have open alcohol in your car (only in trunk)? This is separate from drunk driving - i.e. you can be fined just because you have open alcohol.

didn't used to be that way. I remember driving home from the park with some buddies in college. We each were sipping a beer on the way back (I was driving). Got pulled over for speeding and handed my beer to the passenger and popped a mint. Took the speeding ticket and went home. Yes, my passenger was drinking 2 beers.

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so what I'm hearing is that you and andy are ok with the feds trumping state's rights because it's convenient.

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I think banning the use of hand-held cell phones, but allowing the use of hands-free devices, is a reasonable compromise.

why do you hate poor people that can't afford hands-free?

Haha.... Poor people like their cell phones and cell phone accessories, they were the first one's walking around with their blue tooth in their ear every where they went.

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[georgerussia 0]

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didn't used to be that way. I remember driving home from the park with some buddies in college. We each were sipping a beer on the way back (I was driving). Got pulled over for speeding and handed my beer to the passenger and popped a mint. Took the speeding ticket and went home. Yes, my passenger was drinking 2 beers.

At some point everyone was able to just enter the regular commercial flight plane without any screening, and one could write a check on any piece of paper. Unfortunately some people abused it, and now everyone cannot bring knifes into planes, as nobody knows how to prevent terrorists to happen.

Most of modern laws are in place because there is a lot of people who are irresponsible, and need constant supervision - and there is no other solution which would work.

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Most of modern laws are in place because there is a lot of people who are irresponsible, and need constant supervision - and there is no other solution which would work.

Most modern laws are in place because most politicians are more afraid of being seen as having done nothing than having done nothing good.

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Most of modern laws are in place because there is a lot of people who are irresponsible, and need constant supervision - and there is no other solution which would work.

Most modern laws are in place because most politicians are more afraid of being seen as having done nothing than having done nothing good.

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so what I'm hearing is that you and andy are ok with the feds trumping state's rights because it's convenient.

Not at all. The Feds only banned texting because there are still some people out there who are too stupid to understand the obvious...that texting while driving is distracted driving. Cautious and attentive drivers rarely cause accidents. Most are caused by careless inattentive drivers.
Also, keep in mind that driving on public roads is not a right. It is a privilege.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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so what I'm hearing is that you and andy are ok with the feds trumping state's rights because it's convenient.

Dude, if you hear voices in your head, that's on you.

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so what I'm hearing is that you and andy are ok with the feds trumping state's rights because it's convenient.

Not at all. The Feds only banned texting because there are still some people out there who are too stupid to understand the obvious...that texting while driving is distracted driving.

which is already illegal***Cautious and attentive drivers rarely cause accidents. Most are caused by careless inattentive drivers.
Also, keep in mind that driving on public roads is not a right. It is a privilege.

yes. I know. that's not what I'm talking about (nice misdirect.

there was no point in this other than politics. Many states were already making this unnecessary law, the feds just wanted to assert themselves and look good while doing it. Interstate commerce is the most abused piece of code on the books.

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Dude, if you hear voices in your head, that's on you.

depends on what the voices are telling me to do.

last night they were telling me to pour another. This morning they're still sleeping.

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You don't seem to comprehend that there are people in this world who are too stupid to comprehend that distracted driving, which is illegal in most states, includes texting while driving so it must be specifically pointed out to them.
Comprehend?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.