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Jesus told his followers that he would return prior to the death of some of them.

"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
—Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27

He was very wrong, it's been 2000 years, all of them are all very dead. Why would anyone still beleive anything he said?

Or was he just mistaken?

He also told the Pharisees "Destroy this temple and I will rebuild it again in three days". Was he speaking of Heavenly things or earthly things?... Was he talking about the literal building of the temple, or was he talking about his body? For the spiritually discerning we know that he was talking about his death and he ressurection.

(John 3)I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

Also he says that God is the God of the living...

7But in the account of the bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord 'the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.'[a] 38He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive."

Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;

This is a curious passage for certain. But for those who have found Jesus, there is no death... only faith, hope, and love. The soul dies when it loses the ability to believe. Many way underestimate the power in hope.

Again, these things are spiritually discerned. If you accept the spirit in Jesus as mercy, forgiveness, and love to cover your sin, what is planted in your heart will lead you to the truth. If not, none of this will make sense because they are hidden from your sight...

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.

10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?" 11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

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Jesus told his followers that he would return prior to the death of some of them.

"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who shall not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
—Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1, Luke 9:27

He was very wrong, it's been 2000 years, all of them are all very dead. Why would anyone still beleive anything he said?

Or was he just mistaken?

Nope, just read a little farther in Matthew (Matt 17:2-6) Peter, James, and John got a preview of coming attractions when they saw Jesus' transfiguration, as He will be in His kingdom. His kingdom here on earth started a short time after His death and resurrection, at the Feast of Pentecost. It is now available spiritually, for those who chose to enter through the power of the Holy Spirit. In the future it will be both a physical and spiritual reality.


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However, as we continue to persevere with an eternally forgiving grace, we see the spirit in us was definitely not given in vain. It produces the fruit of love, not fear. It showers with understanding not contempt. Sin brings us closer to God. Those who have the Holy Spirit can discern just what that means with no problem.

This is my quote from the last big post. I just wanted to make sure people knew this is also found in the book of Romans. It is not something I just made up. However, it also is a revelation of the spirit as Paul did not write the book of Romans based on the books of the New Testament, but based on revelations he recieved from the spirit of Christ. Therefore, if someone has the same spirit, this should be quite clear even without reading it in the New Testament...

(Romans 5) The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

And the entire chapter 6 of Romans. Its not that long, you can read it online at biblegateway.com if you like. But in re-reading my earlier post I saw this and wanted to add something to it and couldnt edit any longer.

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any of those definition, actually in the bible? You only have one bible passage here and it doen't give a definition of blasphemy. Want to try again?

I am not sure of the exact exegetical or hermeneutical description you desire. But the koine greek "blapten" means to injure and "pheme" means reputation. This basically signifies, etymologically, gross irreverence and contempt toward the work of the Holy Spirit. Hopefully that answer is closer to what you were wanting.

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Faith is not some mythical conjured mental exercise, it is an obligate prerequisite for love. Without faith in another person or God love is impossible. Once faith, then love, is established it either grows and blooms into a wonderful experience or it consumes the deceived. Faith without the production of good works is dead and hollow.

Have you noticed that the naysayers and deniers refuse to acknowledge love. It apparently does not exist in their world, except as narcissism it would seem.

Big time naysayer here, and I very strongly acknowledge love. On what basis do you think love requires faith?

Love is an emotion, and from the standpoint of understanding human behavior, is very similar to other emotions - such as fear, anger, joy, etc. It is internally created by the lower parts of the brain; remnants of and deeply rooted in our past. It is not the result of higher thinking, complex decision-making, belief in dieties, etc. It is a limbic reaction to external stimulii.

Specifically, love appears to be rooted in important survival mechanisms like pair-bonding, protection of offspring, and the like. But Hallmark is very happy that it is now tied to the imagery of the heart, pithy holidays, and the purchase of their goods.

Why people of faith think they have the market cornered is a mystery; but it is a common claim, as if love did not exist before religion got invented - which is a blink of an eye in the history of human existence. Love as an emotion has been around since it was important for creatures to be close to each other - all the meanings attached to it since our cortexes started getting huge are inventions of the mind.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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You believe that god came to earth in human form and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he wouldn't have to throw his creation into the eternal hell fires which he created, for the sole purpose of tormenting (for ever and ever) those creations who find the whole concept "a bit unbelievable" and that despite gods obvious use of extortion with the threat of everlasting torture unless the required brown nosing is observed, that he actually loves us.

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You believe that god came to earth in human form and sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he wouldn't have to throw his creation into the eternal hell fires which he created, for the sole purpose of tormenting (for ever and ever) those creations who find the whole concept "a bit unbelievable" and that despite gods obvious use of extortion with the threat of everlasting torture unless the required brown nosing is observed, that he actually loves us

I applaud the use of your words here. It expresses with great intellect how far one can travel from God (to the point of mockery), but, it doesnt express how fast he accepts us when we decide to turn around and come back. read the parable of the Prodigal son.

I want to respond to your post again, but for now...

Love is an all consuming fire. This is not a literal fire, but it might as well be. Have you ever been hurt by love? Have you ever had a broken heart? To the point where you have no idea which way is up. You cant go outside, inside, you cant travel far enough to sooth the pain. It is a f-n hell brother... all you can really do is take it.

On the flip side, the same love can fill you with life and joy. It can make you feel like your flying. It can make you sing and dance ect.. you get the idea. So in this ALL consuming fire, you have those who are swallowed up and destroyed by it and those who are filled with life and saved by it. The spectrum is eternally without or eternally with, and the way is by faith.

This is far from a threat. this is the truth, and I have experienced this truth throughout my life, as im quite certain others have as well.

But again to quote paul, "since what is known about God is plain to them because God has made it plain to them" No offense, but you seem to have a plain revelation of what God is. Its a very wordly perception, one that im afraid wont get you too much further without the Holy Spirit. Not to mention, it is full of blame, bitterness, anger, and pride, and it sounds more argumentative than sincere. Respectively. I mean, your sign off says quite a bit doesnt it?

"God opposes the Proud and gives grace to the Humble" (Isaiah)

But yes, God is love. Its not his love but our faith that is weak, or non-existant in some. He even knows how much you love him more than you do. Just stay open, once you start to close down it gets harder to open up again. But if your desire is to live without God, then are you not getting that desire fulfilled? If so, then why still argumentative? What else are you trying to accomplish here?

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yep, we have all been broken hearted.
yep we all have been in love, on top of the world.


just because i dont believe in any religion, doesnt mean i dont have emotions.

there isnt any anger in my post, a little mockery, but its what you believe, in a simplified form.

beleive it or not you can live a happy fullfilling life without religion.

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beleive it or not you can live a happy fullfilling life without religion.

Of course you can. The way Jesus describes it "It rains on the just and the unjust" therefore, a righteous man (a believer) can have a "worse" life on earth as an un-righteous man, and visa versa (Job). I would never claim to have a better life than you, but, I will say that I have an eternal hope that is sure and therefore in any circumstances, though they may not bring me wealth and riches, I will still have hope. That to me is worth more than anything I could ever buy.

Just because I heard a little anger in your post, doesnt mean it was there. It wouldnt be the first time I mis-spoke. I just know what Christ does for me and it would be nice to run into someone like Jesus in this world. Only thing is, that someone may not yet know they belong to God and the inevitable "rebellion" may be the only part I get to be a part of. Sort of Ironic that through rebellion we find peace, but thats definitely how it was for me.

I will always attempt to be patient and to ensure the Gospel is being handled and taught the same way it was taught to me. No special favors, not for me, not for the God-slandering... to me, we are equals in eyes of Jesus. Jesus is the mercy and love of God. How deep do you think that goes?

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Big time naysayer here, and I very strongly acknowledge love. On what basis do you think love requires faith?

Love is an emotion, and from the standpoint of understanding human behavior, is very similar to other emotions - such as fear, anger, joy, etc. It is internally created by the lower parts of the brain; remnants of and deeply rooted in our past. It is not the result of higher thinking, complex decision-making, belief in dieties, etc. It is a limbic reaction to external stimulii.

... the lust for power can be completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude

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there isnt any anger in my post, a little mockery, but its what you believe, in a simplified form.

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And sorry to say , no, you haven't got the slightest clue what the Good News of Christ is about.

apparently, there's a couple christians out there who don't either. including bimbo's on tv talking about gays needing to be put to death.

you guys talk about this enlightenment that you've had as if it's the new law of christianity, and are astounded that the atheists (or non believes) in this forum don't share your excitement. the fact is that those of you who feel this enlightenment are sadly a tiny minority. most of the religious are still operating in the dark ages. its sad and frustrating. look around. we're not just looking at you. we don't block it out when it doesn't fit into our paradigm. you don't need to convince us. you need to go out and convince the people who's beliefs are mostly like yours. if you don't think the draconian laws of the OT are in effect anymore, i think that would make a lot of atheists pretty happy. stop wasting your time with us. go clean up your own house. or is it too difficult to stand up to the hordes of religious who would cast you out with your new ideas, so you preach to us in an online forum?

edited to add: i'm a little disheartened today, reading that someone is advocating the killing of gay people. honestly i applaud the revelation you've had. i wish it was a bit more widespread. i almost deleted my entire post, but i'll leave it and you can shred it if you like.

Say what you mean. Do what you say.

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any of those definition, actually in the bible? You only have one bible passage here and it doen't give a definition of blasphemy. Want to try again?

I am not sure of the exact exegetical or hermeneutical description you desire. But the koine greek "blapten" means to injure and "pheme" means reputation. This basically signifies, etymologically, gross irreverence and contempt
toward the work of the Holy Spirit. Hopefully that answer is closer to what you were wanting.

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So given that, this "crime" is the one unforgivable sin in the NT. Murder is forgivable, torture is forgivable, slavery is not even a sin. and this is supposed to a be decent system of ethics?

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there isnt any anger in my post, a little mockery, but its what you believe, in a simplified form.

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So given that, this "crime" is the one unforgivable sin in the NT. Murder is forgivable, torture is forgivable, slavery is not even a sin. and this is supposed to a be decent system of ethics?

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apparently, there's a couple christians out there who don't either. including bimbo's on tv talking about gays needing to be put to death.

you guys talk about this enlightenment that you've had as if it's the new law of christianity, and are astounded that the atheists (or non believes) in this forum don't share your excitement. the fact is that those of you who feel this enlightenment are sadly a tiny minority. most of the religious are still operating in the dark ages. its sad and frustrating. look around. we're not just looking at you. we don't block it out when it doesn't fit into our paradigm. you don't need to convince us. you need to go out and convince the people who's beliefs are mostly like yours. if you don't think the draconian laws of the OT are in effect anymore, i think that would make a lot of atheists pretty happy. stop wasting your time with us. go clean up your own house. or is it too difficult to stand up to the hordes of religious who would cast you out with your new ideas, so you preach to us in an online forum?

edited to add: i'm a little disheartened today, reading that someone is advocating the killing of gay people. honestly i applaud the revelation you've had. i wish it was a bit more widespread. i almost deleted my entire post, but i'll leave it and you can shred it if you like.

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apparently, there's a couple christians out there who don't either. including bimbo's on tv talking about gays needing to be put to death.

you guys talk about this enlightenment that you've had as if it's the new law of christianity, and are astounded that the atheists (or non believes) in this forum don't share your excitement. the fact is that those of you who feel this enlightenment are sadly a tiny minority. most of the religious are still operating in the dark ages. its sad and frustrating. look around. we're not just looking at you. we don't block it out when it doesn't fit into our paradigm. you don't need to convince us. you need to go out and convince the people who's beliefs are mostly like yours. if you don't think the draconian laws of the OT are in effect anymore, i think that would make a lot of atheists pretty happy. stop wasting your time with us. go clean up your own house. or is it too difficult to stand up to the hordes of religious who would cast you out with your new ideas, so you preach to us in an online forum?

edited to add: i'm a little disheartened today, reading that someone is advocating the killing of gay people. honestly i applaud the revelation you've had. i wish it was a bit more widespread. i almost deleted my entire post, but i'll leave it and you can shred it if you like.

No argument here, but sad to say they are just like anyone else. They can either accept the reality God has created for us or they can set Him aside and create one for themselves.


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or they can accept reality,

Faith and Love are realities of life. Some would claim they are more real than things you can see and touch, as the things you see and touch will be gone with time. As long as life is in the Universe, so also will love be. But then you will say, no, love exists because we do, and I will ask you how is it that life has "evolved" to the point of sending and recieving love through the human mind, never to be able to do so again? It is not us who evolved into love, but rather love which evolved (revealed for the spirtual) into us... and its presence on the earth is getting stronger.

The truth is that love is not a revelation of life, but rather that life is a revelation of love. That is, just because one has life doesnt mean he will have love, but if one has love, life will be revealed, and hopefully followed to the source.

The only difference between a scientist and a spiritual man (definitely not saying they cant be both) is a scientist sees life as evolving and a spiritual man sees it as revealing. Life is about revelation, not evolution, although, there certainly are paralells. It seems the more we "evolve", the more is revealed technologically, philosophically, and spiritually. Science eludes to a flaw (the us and them mentality) in the correlation between God and evolution, when in actuallity, it is the spiritual mind that is being evolved in such a way that it can recieve the revelations of God. Grace is the future of Life. It is inevitable.

To quote Maadmax... again, "I have seen no contradiction between science and spirituality" (something like that). I agree. Science does fascinate me, I think it is awesome to see the depth of perfection that "coincidence" (for the non believers) must attain to sustain and flourish in life, becasue I dont see coincidence, I see the real creativity of God. This is yet another paradigm (perception) difference between those who see different realities.

Not to mention, we are also creations... and... created in the creators' image. these are massive revelations if one takes them to heart. There should not be an us and them, even though there seemingly is. Revelations of the spirit do not contradict what is true. Not what I have seen anyway. We are in the same reality, just different perceptions is all. I see that, do you?

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So given that, this "crime" is the one unforgivable sin in the NT. Murder is forgivable, torture is forgivable, slavery is not even a sin. and this is supposed to a be decent system of ethics?

Ethics is a by-product. The purpose of the Good News is to provide a path for regeneration and reconciliation with God.

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or they can accept reality,

Faith and Love are realities of life. Some would claim they are more real than things you can see and touch, as the things you see and touch will be gone with time. As long as life is in the Universe, so also will love be. But then you will say, no, love exists because we do, and I will ask you how is it that life has "evolved" to the point of sending and recieving love through the human mind, never to be able to do so again? It is not us who evolved into love, but rather love which evolved (revealed for the spirtual) into us... and its presence on the earth is getting stronger.

The truth is that love is not a revelation of life, but rather that life is a revelation of love. That is, just because one has life doesnt mean he will have love, but if one has love, life will be revealed, and hopefully followed to the source.

The only difference between a scientist and a spiritual man (definitely not saying they cant be both) is a scientist sees life as evolving and a spiritual man sees it as revealing. Life is about revelation, not evolution, although, there certainly are paralells. It seems the more we "evolve", the more is revealed technologically, philosophically, and spiritually. Science eludes to a flaw (the us and them mentality) in the correlation between God and evolution, when in actuallity, it is the spiritual mind that is being evolved in such a way that it can recieve the revelations of God. Grace is the future of Life. It is inevitable.

To quote Maadmax... again, "I have seen no contradiction between science and spirituality" (something like that). I agree. Science does fascinate me, I think it is awesome to see the depth of perfection that "coincidence" (for the non believers) must attain to sustain and flourish in life, becasue I dont see coincidence, I see the real creativity of God. This is yet another paradigm (perception) difference between those who see different realities.

Not to mention, we are also creations... and... created in the creators' image. these are massive revelations if one takes them to heart. There should not be an us and them, even though there seemingly is. Revelations of the spirit do not contradict what is true. Not what I have seen anyway. We are in the same reality, just different perceptions is all. I see that, do you?

or you can accept reality

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you guys talk about this enlightenment that you've had as if it's the new law of christianity, and are astounded that the atheists (or non believes) in this forum don't share your excitement.

Im not necessarily astounded that they dont share the excitement as much as I dont understand how they didnt "hear" or "see" the truth when they read the Gospel. I have said numerous times that it is clear people accept others' interpretation of the truth instead of seeking it themselves. This is the problem, not the Gospel.

Not only that... there is no revelation without the gift of the Holy Spirit. It wont matter how much you read or even how much you understand in the Gospel. It doesnt matter if you went to a school of theology or if you are a world class preacher. What matters is that the spirit is recieved. That is it. The spirit is designed only to give revelation to those who have accepted it. Why? Becasue you dont want people advocating killing homosexuals in the name of Jesus... amongst other things that are being mishandled by mans worldly perceptions of God.

Do you understand what i am telling you? There is no revelation without the spirit. The spirit of your absolute best friend dying for you so that you would live in his place. This is the spirit that changes lives. Not the knowledge of scripture or even the judgement of a "righteous man", but the truth of the grace in Jesus. But, have you ever tried to explain grace to a religious person who clearly doesnt get it? What happens is the hidden hypocrisy in their own heart confronts you with almost a rage-like self righteousness and then the accusations begin. the point is that hypocrisy is not a fruit of the spirit but rather an enemy. But, it knows how to "infiltrate the ranks" so to speak and inbed itself... just read this....

(Luke)Meanwhile, when a crowd of many thousands had gathered, so that they were trampling on one another, Jesus began to speak first to his disciples, saying: "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. (Teachers of the Law)

And you know as well that the bread Jesus breaks at the Last Supper is also unleavened bread. As a symbol of the wholesome and pure body that the Holy Spirit indwelled in Christ. All believers are to keep an eye on this hypocrisy. "Just a little yeast leavens the whole loaf of bread". That means if there is any hypocrisy in anyone, their words are no longer pure, even and almost especially though thier actions may appear to be.

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you don't need to convince us.

In a way we do, but that is the most frustrating part for me... we cannot convince anyone as it wouldnt do ANY good anyway. the spirit moves the way it desires. Do you really think I dont want you to see what I see in the Gospel? I know if you were to accept Jesus as truth you would be a great testimony to the non religious, but moreso to the religious, as you seem to have a pure heart. But, Jesus did warn us that "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." (they, meaning everyone who does not know grace). So while you may see the truth in time, the entire truth is most do not, and you will find it difficult with them. However, Love is the key and the goal, not changing the perception of man with words, but with heart.

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stop wasting your time with us. go clean up your own house. or is it too difficult to stand up to the hordes of religious who would cast you out with your new ideas, so you preach to us in an online forum?

Are you still not getting it? I dont AT ALL feel as if I am wasting time here with you or anyone else (although my mind does try to trick me into thinking this at times). I am trying to be as honest and truthful as I can be. It is the gentiles who rose out of Christs message more than the Jew. First for the Jew yes, but then for the gentile.. as ONE in Christ. Look at this...

10When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12But the subjects (Insert.. the religious) of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

You want us to go against the entire religious system? Why? Whats the point? Jesus has already overcome the world. These are arguments, quarrels and childish deadly games inspired by the super primitive perceptions of this dying world. Why would I leave my place in heaven to be caught back up in the whirlwind of death that has and will continue to consume this world? All the worlds systems have failed and will continue to fail without Jesus. No matter what any of us say or do. It doesnt mean I will stop loving Jesus, it is just the truth of this world. It wasnt created for man, it was created for God.

A light does no good if it is as dark as the darkness, rather the light has to stay on in the dark so that it is possible to see. I ask, how is it possible for a light to become part of the darkness if its very purpose is to provide light within the darkness?

Your asking me to enter what will come to me anyway. Just like others who asked Jesus to reveal his glory (water to wine) before it was his time. Im sorry, but I cannot bite yet on that. I have already numerous times tried to guess my "work" in the Gospel. It is not my work therefore it is not my guess. Not only that. Jesus is one man. the apostles were originally 12. You dont need a massive wordly stage to influence the life of one. I am not after religious glory, I am hoping that there is at least just one who hears this Gospel and finds Jesus. All I know is when it comes to the ministry of the Holy Spirit, it is about power, not size. "God makes things grow."

I know that wasnt the answer you were looking for, but please dont think Im ignoring the meat in your posts.

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edited to add: i'm a little disheartened today, reading that someone is advocating the killing of gay people. honestly i applaud the revelation you've had. i wish it was a bit more widespread. i almost deleted my entire post, but i'll leave it and you can shred it if you like.

You and me both brother. But this advocation of killing should not really surprise you. In fact, there is coming a time when people like me, maadmax, and ron, just to name a few, may be on the other end of that advocation as well. Not for being homosexual, but for being Christian. It is disheartening to say the least, but it is the "beginning of birth pains" and it is the way of this sick ass world.

I will however say that if this girl is advocating killing of homosexuals that it down right pisses me off to the fullest absolute extent, and I know that God is the ultimate avenger and it is his to repay. However, I also seek to find love for even people like this, as I know the battle is not with man but with evils' deceptive influence. All things will be brought back to goodness and evils reign in this world has run out of purpose, though often I know it doesnt seem like it.

(John)"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

take heart, the infantile ways of this world are over, we just have to wait now.

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So given that, this "crime" is the one unforgivable sin in the NT. Murder is forgivable, torture is forgivable, slavery is not even a sin. and this is supposed to a be decent system of ethics?

Ethics is a by-product. The purpose of the Good News is to provide a path for regeneration and reconciliation with God.

Ethics is a by product. Ok so if god commanded you to commit genocide would you put your ethical by product a side and do it ? or would you refuse his command and separate yourself from god?

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or you can accept reality

You are talking about the reality that is filled with perishable things right? No offense, but ill take Gods word on this one if you dont mind...

27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him.

For those on the side of humbleness this should make sense.

"We didn't start the fire"

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or you can accept reality

You are talking about the reality that is filled with perishable things right? No offense, but ill take Gods word on this one if you dont mind...

27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him.

For those on the side of humbleness this should make sense.

the only reality we know is perishable.

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the only reality we know is perishable.

You know im going to say that is the only reality you know right? irregardless... You are saying life is perishable are you not? I would like to know how you know that? And yes, I will listen.

"We didn't start the fire"