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******Prove your claim that the majority of teen pregnancy programs are faith based and only teach abstinence.
I don't believe the claim was made that the majority of programs are faith based ( though not for lack of trying by the previous administration). The US teen pregnancy rate speaks for it's self.
Odd, that's exactly the tie you made in your last post - you know, that part where you say "The result is soaring rates of unwanted pregnancy".
Did you mean proof like this?
http://www.newsweek.com/id/219818
According to your article, even at the beginnings of the 'abstinence surge' (in the 90's, btw), the US had the most teen pregnancies. The only reference that I can find for percentages was mention of roughly 1/3 of teens receiving abstinence based counseling in 1999.
Neither datum appears to support your claims.
Mabe you should have been a bit more honest in paraphrasing that paragraph;
By 1999, one study estimated a third of American students were receiving an abstinence-only education. But as funding grew, so did a body of research showing that abstinence didn't change the sexual behaviors of students; pregnancy and STD rates did not go down, the age of initial sexual activity did not go UP.
Ok, and? Still doesn't prove your claim that abstinence programs are responsible for the pregnancies.
QuoteThat look a little more familiar? or perhaps you should just ask Sarah.
Or maybe you could Margaret Sanger - quit with the ideological bullshit. If you can't prove your claim then withdraw it.
QuoteShow me data that says faith based programs work, but we both know the answer to that.
I wasn't advocating faith based programs - nice try at a strawman, though.
Mike
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Just one post on the original topic and why there should be freedom from religion.
I grew up in South Africa, which has a heavily Christian presence, the parts where I live could I suppose be likened to the bible belt of the US.
I grew up in a Christian home, I was forced to attend church from birth until I was 15.
Now this is where religion is so disgusting, you see a young child is extremely gullible and will through human nature trust what is told to them by their parents, the parents are the ones who tell them what is dangerous and what isn't. And I, like many other unlucky children were brought up with the idea that if I did not follow God, I would burn for eternity in the pits of a fire filled hell. Now drilling that into a child's head every weekend and every other day will have an impact on them, no matter how illogical it is- they will truly believe it.
I was a firm believer, and like majority of kids it was out of fear- religion is just that, a fear based movement. Sure later on in life you start seeing people at church, you become friends and you become part of something, you feel loved and you decide it was Jesus who allowed this (this is no different than a cult). Again it is human nature to want to be accepted and loved by peers, so now you have a happy bunch of people who all choose to believe what they do because it makes them happy.
You know why religion is so big? Because during the initial stages of said religions it was met with violence and force. Let's take Christianity for example- The Christian faith was extremely small until the Roman Empire decided it would be fit to rape and kill those in invaded cities unless they claimed they were Christian- and through this method the Christian faith gained thousands of followers (out of fear)... And they were then forced to teach their children the 'faith', now this went on for ages, taking different forms... Just a few hundred years ago it was the same thing with the witch hunts- people were forced into Christianity through fear. Dictatorship has been the driving force of Christianity for thousands of years.
The same thing today except now, instead of beheadings and lynchings, you are socially neglected in many parts. That's how it is here, if a Christian hears you are an Atheist, you are the enemy and a bad person.
As I stated though, dictatorship and fear caused the spread of Christianity (most religions). And the idea of passing it on to Children with stories of gruesome details of post-death happenings is nothing less than sick. If your idea is to raise a mindless drone of a human being who has been shell shocked into believing something, sure go ahead.
This is what happened to me, I grew up in a family where only my 1 grandfather was not religious, and the rest of the family would try their best to make sure he never told me anything that contradicted the Christian faith, because God forbid I make up my own mind based on facts.
It's all about only providing the facts that support religion, oh I`m sorry did I say facts and religion in 1 sentence- I mean bullshit.
Finally when I was old enough I was lucky to question my faith PROPERLY. And it was the best day of my life (3 months), everything that seemed so true and believable suddenly became insane. Like that Christian song "I once was blind, but now I see"- I fucking saw! I saw that my entire family was brainwashed through decades of false teachings to them as children. I saw the world for what it is, and suddenly the world just became that much more beautiful.
When my mother found out, I was about 17 and she went crazy, claiming I was going to burn in hell and that it's the devil in my music that's done this. I'm pretty sure most of my family still thinks I'm Christian or else they would probably never speak to me.
Now back to the main topic, there is an age of consent for sex because children aren't yet ready to make a decision that big because they are easily manipulated into something they will regret- but yet it's perfectly legal to get a child involved into religion from any age, something that is actually far more dangerous than sex.
Religious brainwashing in children is nothing short of disgusting and should a religious person feel his or her God is that powerful and his presence so widely felt he or she should trust that through the course of life and through lessons learned their child will decide religion for themselves. Not try hide the facts in the hopes of tricking them into yours. Let's not forget many churches stances on dinosaurs, especially 10-20 years ago. It's laughable.
I grew up in South Africa, which has a heavily Christian presence, the parts where I live could I suppose be likened to the bible belt of the US.
I grew up in a Christian home, I was forced to attend church from birth until I was 15.
Now this is where religion is so disgusting, you see a young child is extremely gullible and will through human nature trust what is told to them by their parents, the parents are the ones who tell them what is dangerous and what isn't. And I, like many other unlucky children were brought up with the idea that if I did not follow God, I would burn for eternity in the pits of a fire filled hell. Now drilling that into a child's head every weekend and every other day will have an impact on them, no matter how illogical it is- they will truly believe it.
I was a firm believer, and like majority of kids it was out of fear- religion is just that, a fear based movement. Sure later on in life you start seeing people at church, you become friends and you become part of something, you feel loved and you decide it was Jesus who allowed this (this is no different than a cult). Again it is human nature to want to be accepted and loved by peers, so now you have a happy bunch of people who all choose to believe what they do because it makes them happy.
You know why religion is so big? Because during the initial stages of said religions it was met with violence and force. Let's take Christianity for example- The Christian faith was extremely small until the Roman Empire decided it would be fit to rape and kill those in invaded cities unless they claimed they were Christian- and through this method the Christian faith gained thousands of followers (out of fear)... And they were then forced to teach their children the 'faith', now this went on for ages, taking different forms... Just a few hundred years ago it was the same thing with the witch hunts- people were forced into Christianity through fear. Dictatorship has been the driving force of Christianity for thousands of years.
The same thing today except now, instead of beheadings and lynchings, you are socially neglected in many parts. That's how it is here, if a Christian hears you are an Atheist, you are the enemy and a bad person.
As I stated though, dictatorship and fear caused the spread of Christianity (most religions). And the idea of passing it on to Children with stories of gruesome details of post-death happenings is nothing less than sick. If your idea is to raise a mindless drone of a human being who has been shell shocked into believing something, sure go ahead.
This is what happened to me, I grew up in a family where only my 1 grandfather was not religious, and the rest of the family would try their best to make sure he never told me anything that contradicted the Christian faith, because God forbid I make up my own mind based on facts.
It's all about only providing the facts that support religion, oh I`m sorry did I say facts and religion in 1 sentence- I mean bullshit.
Finally when I was old enough I was lucky to question my faith PROPERLY. And it was the best day of my life (3 months), everything that seemed so true and believable suddenly became insane. Like that Christian song "I once was blind, but now I see"- I fucking saw! I saw that my entire family was brainwashed through decades of false teachings to them as children. I saw the world for what it is, and suddenly the world just became that much more beautiful.
When my mother found out, I was about 17 and she went crazy, claiming I was going to burn in hell and that it's the devil in my music that's done this. I'm pretty sure most of my family still thinks I'm Christian or else they would probably never speak to me.
Now back to the main topic, there is an age of consent for sex because children aren't yet ready to make a decision that big because they are easily manipulated into something they will regret- but yet it's perfectly legal to get a child involved into religion from any age, something that is actually far more dangerous than sex.
Religious brainwashing in children is nothing short of disgusting and should a religious person feel his or her God is that powerful and his presence so widely felt he or she should trust that through the course of life and through lessons learned their child will decide religion for themselves. Not try hide the facts in the hopes of tricking them into yours. Let's not forget many churches stances on dinosaurs, especially 10-20 years ago. It's laughable.
QuoteQuotePanel approves Bible classes for public schools
AP Associated Press- 2/21/2010 4:25:00 AM
FRANKFORT, KY - Kentucky may follow the lead of Texas and other states in allowing Bible classes to be taught in public schools.
Kentucky's Senate Education Committee has unanimously approved legislation that would effectively return the Bible to the state's classrooms.
Democratic state Sen. David Boswell of Owensboro is sponsoring the legislation, which he said is modeled after a measure approved by Texas lawmakers some two years ago.
Boswell said he believes the legislation is constitutional because the Bible will be taught from a literary perspective, not a religious one. He said it calls for teaching, not preaching, the Bible.
The proposed Bible courses would be offered as electives, meaning schools could choose whether to offer them as a social studies credit and students could decide whether to take them.
Now there's a plan I like.
You do realize that if they're really teaching and not preaching the Bible, then it's being treated as a work of fiction that can be taken no more seriously than the Chronic(WHAT?)cles of Narnia, right? And that all the lil Christian children will be exposed to the questioning thoughts of the non-Christian children?
quade 4
QuoteYou do realize that if they're really teaching and not preaching the Bible, then it's being treated as a work of fiction that can be taken no more seriously than the Chronic(WHAT?)cles of Narnia, right? And that all the lil Christian children will be exposed to the questioning thoughts of the non-Christian children?
I think somebody doesn't know enough about the Chronicles of Narnia. The Evangelicals use it as a parallel to Christianity. It's THE reason the movie got made.
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jclalor 12
QuoteQuote***Panel approves Bible classes for public schools
AP Associated Press- 2/21/2010 4:25:00 AM
FRANKFORT, KY - Kentucky may follow the lead of Texas and other states in allowing Bible classes to be taught in public schools.
Kentucky's Senate Education Committee has unanimously approved legislation that would effectively return the Bible to the state's classrooms.
Democratic state Sen. David Boswell of Owensboro is sponsoring the legislation, which he said is modeled after a measure approved by Texas lawmakers some two years ago.
Boswell said he believes the legislation is constitutional because the Bible will be taught from a literary perspective, not a religious one. He said it calls for teaching, not preaching, the Bible.
The proposed Bible courses would be offered as electives, meaning schools could choose whether to offer them as a social studies credit and students could decide whether to take them.
Now there's a plan I like.
You better get them while their young, we all know that once they get past the age of childhood without religion most are doomed to a life of logical reasoning.
One thing that can not be done is to turn back the hands of time, the days of superstition are slowly coming to an end.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
jclalor 12
QuoteQuoteJust one post on the original topic and why there should be freedom from religion.
I grew up in South Africa, which has a heavily Christian presence, the parts where I live could I suppose be likened to the bible belt of the US.
I grew up in a Christian home, I was forced to attend church from birth until I was 15.
Now this is where religion is so disgusting, you see a young child is extremely gullible and will through human nature trust what is told to them by their parents, the parents are the ones who tell them what is dangerous and what isn't. And I, like many other unlucky children were brought up with the idea that if I did not follow God, I would burn for eternity in the pits of a fire filled hell. Now drilling that into a child's head every weekend and every other day will have an impact on them, no matter how illogical it is- they will truly believe it.
I was a firm believer, and like majority of kids it was out of fear- religion is just that, a fear based movement. Sure later on in life you start seeing people at church, you become friends and you become part of something, you feel loved and you decide it was Jesus who allowed this (this is no different than a cult). Again it is human nature to want to be accepted and loved by peers, so now you have a happy bunch of people who all choose to believe what they do because it makes them happy.
You know why religion is so big? Because during the initial stages of said religions it was met with violence and force. Let's take Christianity for example- The Christian faith was extremely small until the Roman Empire decided it would be fit to rape and kill those in invaded cities unless they claimed they were Christian- and through this method the Christian faith gained thousands of followers (out of fear)... And they were then forced to teach their children the 'faith', now this went on for ages, taking different forms... Just a few hundred years ago it was the same thing with the witch hunts- people were forced into Christianity through fear. Dictatorship has been the driving force of Christianity for thousands of years.
The same thing today except now, instead of beheadings and lynchings, you are socially neglected in many parts. That's how it is here, if a Christian hears you are an Atheist, you are the enemy and a bad person.
As I stated though, dictatorship and fear caused the spread of Christianity (most religions). And the idea of passing it on to Children with stories of gruesome details of post-death happenings is nothing less than sick. If your idea is to raise a mindless drone of a human being who has been shell shocked into believing something, sure go ahead.
This is what happened to me, I grew up in a family where only my 1 grandfather was not religious, and the rest of the family would try their best to make sure he never told me anything that contradicted the Christian faith, because God forbid I make up my own mind based on facts.
It's all about only providing the facts that support religion, oh I`m sorry did I say facts and religion in 1 sentence- I mean bullshit.
Finally when I was old enough I was lucky to question my faith PROPERLY. And it was the best day of my life (3 months), everything that seemed so true and believable suddenly became insane. Like that Christian song "I once was blind, but now I see"- I fucking saw! I saw that my entire family was brainwashed through decades of false teachings to them as children. I saw the world for what it is, and suddenly the world just became that much more beautiful.
When my mother found out, I was about 17 and she went crazy, claiming I was going to burn in hell and that it's the devil in my music that's done this. I'm pretty sure most of my family still thinks I'm Christian or else they would probably never speak to me.
Now back to the main topic, there is an age of consent for sex because children aren't yet ready to make a decision that big because they are easily manipulated into something they will regret- but yet it's perfectly legal to get a child involved into religion from any age, something that is actually far more dangerous than sex.
Religious brainwashing in children is nothing short of disgusting and should a religious person feel his or her God is that powerful and his presence so widely felt he or she should trust that through the course of life and through lessons learned their child will decide religion for themselves. Not try hide the facts in the hopes of tricking them into yours. Let's not forget many churches stances on dinosaurs, especially 10-20 years ago. It's laughable.
The best post by far in this thread
jakee 1,564
QuotePlease restate your question.
Try 279, 302 and 308, for a start.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
mnealtx 0
Quote"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.” - Thomas Jefferson
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” - Thomas Jefferson
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
jclalor 12
QuoteQuoteQuote"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.” - Thomas Jefferson
“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” - Thomas Jefferson
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -John Adams
You are right, we can go round and round on the founding fathers. I guess our country should move more in the direction of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. Nothing like a good theocracy, science bad, superstition good.
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What is "revelation knowledge" , was the revelation that Muhammed recieved Gods last message to mankind an example of this?
Yes, that is an example.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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QuoteQuotePlease restate your question.
Try 279, 302 and 308, for a start.
#279 - Not relevant to my personal statement.
#302 - I do not know, please tell me.
#308 - Now this is the one that got billvon's attention. As tactfully as I can state, if you announce you are a hobo that means you are a non-employed drifter. If that is not true, how would anyone know differently? I try to be transparent, what you see is what you get. I am not afraid of what other's think of me. I don't care if you do not believe what I believe. What else do you wish to know? I would take this back channel if I could. Please Email me and we can stop wasting bandwidth in SC.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
QuoteJust one post on the original topic and why there should be freedom from religion.
I grew up in South Africa, which has a heavily Christian presence, the parts where I live could I suppose be likened to the bible belt of the US.
I grew up in a Christian home, I was forced to attend church from birth until I was 15.
Now this is where religion is so disgusting, you see a young child is extremely gullible and will through human nature trust what is told to them by their parents, the parents are the ones who tell them what is dangerous and what isn't. And I, like many other unlucky children were brought up with the idea that if I did not follow God, I would burn for eternity in the pits of a fire filled hell. Now drilling that into a child's head every weekend and every other day will have an impact on them, no matter how illogical it is- they will truly believe it.
I was a firm believer, and like majority of kids it was out of fear- religion is just that, a fear based movement. Sure later on in life you start seeing people at church, you become friends and you become part of something, you feel loved and you decide it was Jesus who allowed this (this is no different than a cult). Again it is human nature to want to be accepted and loved by peers, so now you have a happy bunch of people who all choose to believe what they do because it makes them happy.
You know why religion is so big? Because during the initial stages of said religions it was met with violence and force. Let's take Christianity for example- The Christian faith was extremely small until the Roman Empire decided it would be fit to rape and kill those in invaded cities unless they claimed they were Christian- and through this method the Christian faith gained thousands of followers (out of fear)... And they were then forced to teach their children the 'faith', now this went on for ages, taking different forms... Just a few hundred years ago it was the same thing with the witch hunts- people were forced into Christianity through fear. Dictatorship has been the driving force of Christianity for thousands of years.
The same thing today except now, instead of beheadings and lynchings, you are socially neglected in many parts. That's how it is here, if a Christian hears you are an Atheist, you are the enemy and a bad person.
As I stated though, dictatorship and fear caused the spread of Christianity (most religions). And the idea of passing it on to Children with stories of gruesome details of post-death happenings is nothing less than sick. If your idea is to raise a mindless drone of a human being who has been shell shocked into believing something, sure go ahead.
This is what happened to me, I grew up in a family where only my 1 grandfather was not religious, and the rest of the family would try their best to make sure he never told me anything that contradicted the Christian faith, because God forbid I make up my own mind based on facts.
It's all about only providing the facts that support religion, oh I`m sorry did I say facts and religion in 1 sentence- I mean bullshit.
Finally when I was old enough I was lucky to question my faith PROPERLY. And it was the best day of my life (3 months), everything that seemed so true and believable suddenly became insane. Like that Christian song "I once was blind, but now I see"- I fucking saw! I saw that my entire family was brainwashed through decades of false teachings to them as children. I saw the world for what it is, and suddenly the world just became that much more beautiful.
When my mother found out, I was about 17 and she went crazy, claiming I was going to burn in hell and that it's the devil in my music that's done this. I'm pretty sure most of my family still thinks I'm Christian or else they would probably never speak to me.
Now back to the main topic, there is an age of consent for sex because children aren't yet ready to make a decision that big because they are easily manipulated into something they will regret- but yet it's perfectly legal to get a child involved into religion from any age, something that is actually far more dangerous than sex.
Religious brainwashing in children is nothing short of disgusting and should a religious person feel his or her God is that powerful and his presence so widely felt he or she should trust that through the course of life and through lessons learned their child will decide religion for themselves. Not try hide the facts in the hopes of tricking them into yours. Let's not forget many churches stances on dinosaurs, especially 10-20 years ago. It's laughable.
Looks like you have suffered at the hands of and cost to your family. God's love is the message of the gospel. Apparently, you were not exposed to that part. Love is there.
BTW, an atheist is not necessarily a bad person and the enemy. They are just sinners.
I just want people to know they can be forgiven from sin.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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You do realize that if they're really teaching and not preaching the Bible, then it's being treated as a work of fiction that can be taken no more seriously than the Chronic(WHAT?)cles of Narnia, right? And that all the lil Christian children will be exposed to the questioning thoughts of the non-Christian children?
OK.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
mnealtx 0
QuoteYou are right, we can go round and round on the founding fathers. I guess our country should move more in the direction of Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. Nothing like a good theocracy, science bad, superstition good.
*yawn*
Got any argument BESIDES hyperbole?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
RonD1120 62
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You better get them while their young, we all know that once they get past the age of childhood without religion most are doomed to a life of logical reasoning.
What makes my heart sad is that you do not see the message of love in the gospel. Our main poster on that subject is rynodigsmusic. He gets beat up every time he makes a positive statement.
It seems that no one here desires to see any love. Everything is a battle, one-ups-manship, win-lose, statistical BS, intolerance of faith. etc.
Now, the Holy Bible has an answer for that. It is called the "end times." Those of us for whom the signs are visible also have hope in what lies on the other side.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
Meso 38
No trust me, the love was there- as long as I was a Christian the love was there. The message was 'God loves you no matter what, and you'll always be forgiven if you trust in him'.
You see that's a very clever thing to say, because you are basically saying "You have a choice, but if your choice isn't mine you`ll burn in hell and suffer.. you're wrong". It makes it seem as though one is caring. Quite frankly, if your God wants me to suffer for not believing in him then I'm glad I'm not part of his sick egotistical plan.
If God were loving he'd love all, not only those who grovel to him. I'd rather burn in hell than feed his ego if that's the case.
As the quote goes- "Is God able but not willing, or is he willing but not able, in which case why call him God".
Does one buy a dog and then tell that dog you`ll love it and claim for it to be your most precious being, as long as it obeys you. But the day starts pissing on your rug you let it starve to death while watching it suffer, not willing to help your so-called 'dear' friend.
Quite frankly it all boils down to that for me- If your God loves me enough he`ll do something to prove his existence and not hide behind cheap tricks which others claim are his miracles. Unless of course God likes people being tricked by all this reality stuff, and he does nothing to stop it because his pride is worth more than the souls of billions of mortals. Yes, he claims he gave free will, but surely taking it back would be better than watching billions of his loved children suffer.
As far as sin goes, I'm quite fond of sinning thank you. And I don't need to be religious to know I'm a good person. I don't even drink or smoke because of the way those industries negatively effect children and families. There are bigger worries in society than whether or not you follow the bible. And the bible is not the source of moral behaviour, we as humans rely on other humans to survive- morals are simply basic animal logic that would improve our chances of remaining successful in a group. If human a kills human b in an anarchic society, human b's relatives kill human a. etc
It makes my heart sad to see there are people out there still who believe in a God that clearly doesn't exist or clearly isn't worth the praise.
But back to the main topic, sure- believe in your fairy tale. But don't try make other people believe it with biblical stories of hell. Or at least wait until the children aren't kids anymore before you begin the brainwashing.
You see that's a very clever thing to say, because you are basically saying "You have a choice, but if your choice isn't mine you`ll burn in hell and suffer.. you're wrong". It makes it seem as though one is caring. Quite frankly, if your God wants me to suffer for not believing in him then I'm glad I'm not part of his sick egotistical plan.
If God were loving he'd love all, not only those who grovel to him. I'd rather burn in hell than feed his ego if that's the case.
As the quote goes- "Is God able but not willing, or is he willing but not able, in which case why call him God".
Does one buy a dog and then tell that dog you`ll love it and claim for it to be your most precious being, as long as it obeys you. But the day starts pissing on your rug you let it starve to death while watching it suffer, not willing to help your so-called 'dear' friend.
Quite frankly it all boils down to that for me- If your God loves me enough he`ll do something to prove his existence and not hide behind cheap tricks which others claim are his miracles. Unless of course God likes people being tricked by all this reality stuff, and he does nothing to stop it because his pride is worth more than the souls of billions of mortals. Yes, he claims he gave free will, but surely taking it back would be better than watching billions of his loved children suffer.
As far as sin goes, I'm quite fond of sinning thank you. And I don't need to be religious to know I'm a good person. I don't even drink or smoke because of the way those industries negatively effect children and families. There are bigger worries in society than whether or not you follow the bible. And the bible is not the source of moral behaviour, we as humans rely on other humans to survive- morals are simply basic animal logic that would improve our chances of remaining successful in a group. If human a kills human b in an anarchic society, human b's relatives kill human a. etc
It makes my heart sad to see there are people out there still who believe in a God that clearly doesn't exist or clearly isn't worth the praise.
But back to the main topic, sure- believe in your fairy tale. But don't try make other people believe it with biblical stories of hell. Or at least wait until the children aren't kids anymore before you begin the brainwashing.
QuoteQuoteYou do realize that if they're really teaching and not preaching the Bible, then it's being treated as a work of fiction that can be taken no more seriously than the Chronic(WHAT?)cles of Narnia, right? And that all the lil Christian children will be exposed to the questioning thoughts of the non-Christian children?
I think somebody doesn't know enough about the Chronicles of Narnia. The Evangelicals use it as a parallel to Christianity. It's THE reason the movie got made.
I'm well aware of this. I read all 7 books as a kid, because I was raised to be a good Catholic boy.
kallend 2,108
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Please provide proof that the money spent on "faith based" programs has been effective in preventing teen pregnancies and has not just been taxpayer money down the drain of the religious right.
The burden is on those that want these programs funded to prove that they work.
Nice strawman - show I've advocated faith based pregnancy programs.
He made a bullshit claim, I'm asking him for proof - so far, he hasn't delivered.
I'm asking you for proof that they have. If there is none, then they should not be funded by taxpayers.
The burden is on those that want taxpayer money to show that their programs are effective, not the other way around.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Nice strawman - show I've advocated faith based pregnancy programs.
He made a bullshit claim, I'm asking him for proof - so far, he hasn't delivered.
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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