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We spend a lot of time voicing opinions about the U.S. Government. I found the following video to be helpful for putting things in perspective.


http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment



This is good
I feel today we are at 09:09 in the video. We have to stop the direction of the country

Thanks
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Any links to the text? Busy day today; gotta multi-task & no time to watch a 10 min. vid.



I just watched the video. Did not see any text. I doubt there is any new info for you. You are pretty much up on this topic.
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Any links to the text? Busy day today; gotta multi-task & no time to watch a 10 min. vid.



Nor directed at to OP or anyone in particular, but why is it that utube videos have replaced actual writing? I can read a 10 minute video in 2 (or less if it's clearly crap), and the author can proof/review/revise.

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Speaking of your signature line, I heard another Winston Churchill quote today:
"You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing,






after they have exhausted all the other possibilities".
The man had a way with words.

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We spend a lot of time voicing opinions about the U.S. Government. I found the following video to be helpful for putting things in perspective.
http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment



We've discussed this video several times on this forum already.

It's a well crafted propaganda piece spread by the right-wing and sprinkled with just enough truth to confuse people that don't know any better.
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Speaking of your signature line, I heard another Winston Churchill quote today:
"You can always count on the Americans to do the right thing,






after they have exhausted all the other possibilities".
The man had a way with words.

Don



Actually he has his Churchill quote wrong and mangles its meaning. It should be:

"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."
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Although the clip had some interesting points (to go with the cheesy graphics), I think it also used a straw-man definition of "democracy" that probably hasn't applied to the real world since the city-states of Athenian Greece, and arguably not even then (since only adult men could vote). As a result it ends up dismissing the idea of representational democracy, where elected "leaders" (i.e. politicians) formulate the laws that govern the republic. Where do the laws of the republic come from, and what mechanism would be acceptable to modify or interpret them, if democracy is nothing but a path to "bread and circuses"? Also, the explanation given for the fall of the Roman Empire (blaming it on "democracy") was so simplistic as to be cartoonish. At least it did explicitly acknowledge that some government regulation (that is, laws) actually make us more free, for example by allowing us to work instead of spending all our time guarding our property against thieves. So really, our current (and past) political squabbles are just about where to draw the line in terms of how much regulation is enough to optimize our freedom, and how much is too much. The video doesn't offer much of an opinion on that.

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Good analysis, Don. The clip did have some good points, but some inaccuracies as well. For example, it claims that the Nazis were responsible for creating the conditions in which they were able to rise to power & install Hitler in office. That isn't entirely accurate, part of the reason that extremists like the Nazis were able to rise to power were the abysmal economic conditions that existed in Germany due to 1) world-wide depression and the collapse of the German currency and 2) the devastating effects of the Versailles treaty.
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Good analysis, Don. The clip did have some good points, but some inaccuracies as well. For example, it claims that the Nazis were responsible for creating the conditions in which they were able to rise to power & install Hitler in office. That isn't entirely accurate, part of the reason that extremists like the Nazis were able to rise to power were the abysmal economic conditions that existed in Germany due to 1) world-wide depression and the collapse of the German currency and 2) the devastating effects of the Versailles treaty.

Kind of like those abysmal economic conditions that are being created today?

And to follow up. You must believe that the conditions you speak of were a natural occurrence as opposed to being created?

Now, I am not saying all the things you list were "created". But, history shows that not all of the events were not planned
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Kind of like those abysmal economic conditions that are being created today?



It's been a while since high school, but I seem to remember being taught that inflation in Germany between the world wars was so bad that people had to use wheelbarrows full of deutschmarks to pay for a wheel of cheese. To imply that our current economic problems approach anywhere near that level is ridiculous.

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Kind of like those abysmal economic conditions that are being created today?



It's been a while since high school, but I seem to remember being taught that inflation in Germany between the world wars was so bad that people had to use wheelbarrows full of deutschmarks to pay for a wheel of cheese. To imply that our current economic problems approach anywhere near that level is ridiculous.



Not my claim

The tactic is what I am referring to and the consideration of all that is happening with the economy today is really happenstance.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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But, history shows that not all of the events were not planned

Two "not's" don't make a right; three lefts do!



Agreed as not all situations can ever be accounted for. There was however many plans being worked to create the environment needed.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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We've already gotten to the point of the Olygarks (sp) being in charge. The special intrest groups can now buy as many polititians as they want.
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