Bullying and suicide

[AndyBoyd 0]

This story leaves me speechless. Especially the mean girls' actions after the suicide.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/01/24/the_untouchable_mean_girls/

[airdvr 210]

Wow

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[AndyBoyd 0]

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Wow

Yeah, maybe there's not much else to say.

[Amazon 7]

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Wow

Yeah, maybe there's not much else to say.

There really isn't.

This really is nothing new. The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone. Cowards like that tend to band into packs and tend to only prey on the weak.

[JohnRich 4]

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The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone.

But, the religious folks in the "Jesus" thread are telling us we should "turn the other cheek" and not fight back against evil! It should be enough for us to know that god will punish these evil girls when they die, some 50 years in the future, and therefore we should endure all their bullying and do nothing. Because violence never solves anything.

[SpeedRacer 1]

Bullies suck ass.

I have always wondered, especially with all the things people do to keep their kids safe:

Why do adults brush off bullying as if it was nothing? If one adult treated another adult the way some kids get treated by bullies, the adult would be arrested for assault!

Yet when a kid gets assaulted, it's considered no big deal, and little or nothing happens to the criminal!

I also sometimes wonder about the long-term memory abilities of some adults, who seem to believe that childhood was nothing but an innocent, stress-free happy time, without a care in the world.

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[Amazon 7]

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The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone.

But, the religious folks in the "Jesus" thread are telling us we should "turn the other cheek" and not fight back against evil! It should be enough for us to know that god will punish these evil girls when they die, some 50 years in the future, and therefore we should endure all their bullying and do nothing. Because violence never solves anything.

As many people have realized, that whole turning the cheek thing has the deleterious effect of signaling to the bully that you are easy prey.
If said bully knows that you can and will visit more violence on them than they might inflict on you, they move on to other prey.

Unfortunately human nature has not progressed from baser instincts yet as evidenced by so many good Christians who are not so good at cheek turning.

[skyrider 0]

Schools haven't changed much, seems the parents didn't help instill personal pride!

I had bullies in highschool, (the varsity football team) because I had taken out one of their girlfriends, they fucked with me relentlessly for weeks, till they finally cornered me at a JV game, I cut two of them, before a cop jumped on my back..(Seems he saw the whole thing, and did nothing when they punched me, but felt the knife was a bit much)

It was the end of My school ife, but I kept my pride, (and did 30 days in Juvi)

Bullies can't make the impact, if the pride is there! Which, can be taught! But you have to stay Involved!

[SpeedRacer 1]

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The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone.

But, the religious folks in the "Jesus" thread are telling us we should "turn the other cheek" and not fight back against evil! It should be enough for us to know that god will punish these evil girls when they die, some 50 years in the future, and therefore we should endure all their bullying and do nothing. Because violence never solves anything.

My take is this: Take action and stop the wrongdoer. But you don't act out & indulge your vengeance, you only act to stop the wrongdoing.


That's just my take on it, though.

What do you think Jesus meant?

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[StreetScooby 5]

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The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her their pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone.

+1

We are all engines of karma

[redlegphi 0]

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The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone.

But, the religious folks in the "Jesus" thread are telling us we should "turn the other cheek" and not fight back against evil! It should be enough for us to know that god will punish these evil girls when they die, some 50 years in the future, and therefore we should endure all their bullying and do nothing. Because violence never solves anything.

They aren't "evil". They're teenage girls with an extremely poor upbringing and an extremely misguided sense of their own import in the world. Maybe by the time they hit college, they'll get a little dose of reality and the impact of what they've done will hit them square in the chest.

[Squeak 17]

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They aren't "evil". They're teenage girls with an extremely poor upbringing and an extremely misguided sense of their own import in the world. Maybe by the time they hit college, they'll get a little dose of reality and the impact of what they've done will hit them square in the chest.

yeah and maybe I'll win lotto without buying a ticket.
I deal with kids like this daily, rarely if ever do they cease and disist without intervention.
Intervention takes many forms, Counselling can be one form, another form i have seen manifest itself as a small kid kicking the living shit out of a bigger bully infront of the school proper, I walked to the bullies defense, as running is frowned upon.
The little guy got a 2 day suspension from school and MASSIVE Kusdos from a lot of other kids

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[steve1 5]

Most bullies want a smaller kid to fight back. That way they can knock the hell out of them.

I really think that bullies need consequences, not just a slap on the wrist. Schools are often blamed for not doing much to someone who is a bully. In some cases that is the truth.

In other cases it is hard to determine just who is causing the problem. A teacher looks up and sees two kids arguing, or two kids pushing each other. It's hard to determine who should be punished.

I'm not an administrator, but I think if a kid has a long history of bullying, he shouldn't get a 2nd chance. Booting him out of school for a while, might be the right thing to do....

Tough kids do understand consequences....

And this is a complex problem. There are no easy quick fixes to this....

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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“Things like this aren’t supposed to happen in South Hadley,’

This is the root of so many of our problems. Too many people believe that because they live in a nice insulated suburb that the problems of the society in general do not apply to them, and thus they do not need to be a part of the solution. Rich neighbourhoods feel that way about middle class ones, middle class ones feel that way about poor white ones, poor white ones feel that way about poor brown or black ones. Everyone is "shocked" when it happens in their neighbourhood.

[stayhigh 2]

everytime when i hear these stories, I wonder "Why don't they kill the bully and commit suicide???"

if you are gonna die might as well pull the bully down with you...

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

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everytime when i hear these stories, I wonder "Why don't they kill the bully and commit suicide???"

if you are gonna die might as well pull the bully down with you...

Hmmm why does Columbine come to mind when you say that

[stayhigh 2]

did columbine happened because of bullying????
i thought linstiening to marilyn manson and playing doom cause that one..
all i know is that it happend on 420 and 420 was very important day in my high school career...

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

[Amazon 7]

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did columbine happened because of bullying????
i thought linstiening to marilyn manson and playing doom cause that one..
all i know is that it happend on 420 and 420 was very important day in my high school career...

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Much discussion also centered on the nature of high school clique, subcultures and bullying, as well as the role of violent movies and video games in American society.

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The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone.

But, the religious folks in the "Jesus" thread are telling us we should "turn the other cheek" and not fight back against evil! It should be enough for us to know that god will punish these evil girls when they die, some 50 years in the future, and therefore we should endure all their bullying and do nothing. Because violence never solves anything.

They aren't "evil". They're teenage girls with an extremely poor upbringing and an extremely misguided sense of their own import in the world. Maybe by the time they hit college, they'll get a little dose of reality and the impact of what they've done will hit them square in the chest.

Agree on the first part; and almost always the result of, or lack of, parenting. Ignoramuses pretty much raise ignoramuses.

For the immediate need though, a kid getting bullied needing to protect themselves - a good ass kicking works well. Most bullies are wimps underneath. Their lack of confidence and insecurities is what takes them down that path to begin with.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[masterrig 1]

When my youngest boy was in 9th. grade, he had a bully, just driving him nuts. One day in phys. ed., the bully went too far! Travis just wheeled around with a solid right to the bully's face... breaking his nose. The school asst. principal told me (off to the side) she was proud of Travis for standing-up. The bully got expelled... Travis got 4-hrs of 'detention' for fighting.
That's all you can do to a bully... stand-up to them. Inside, bullies are cowards who are only tough with their friends around. Their friends aren't really friends, they're just as intimidated but for their 'own good', side with the bully. More bullies need to be knocked on their ass!


Chuck

[SkyDekker 1,465]

As bad as it is, it is a reflection of morals in the general society. How often do we see threads on here about how poor people just need to go and get a job, how the weak just need to toughen up or get the fuck out of the way.

The mindest of a bully is really no different.

[jtnesbitt 0]

Has anyone ever witnessed or experienced school administrators fueling the fire? At my second high school (family moved due to job relocation) it was REALLY bad. Every school has polotics but this was ridiculous. Teachers played favorites among students and so did administrators, admins played favs with teachers, coaches played favs, school BOD played favs, and then of course you have your tight parental groups whose loud barking causes favorites.
It was silly. Students knew it, teachers knew it, admins knew it, and parents knew it. Instead of trying to change it though instead everyone competed for position to either be the favorite, support the favorite, or make their student/teacher/coach the new pick.

This contributed to bullying, especially among the girls at my school, BIG TIME. There were a group of girls that could do WHATEVER THEY WANTED. It was ridiculous. They had half of the staff kissing their ass because they wanted to be the "cool teachers" that connected with the students and the other half of the staff was scared of them. This allowed the girls to do and say whatever they wanted whenever they wanted. These girls were essentially untouchable. They would write profanities on people's lockers, use lighter fluid to burn words about other people in the school lawn, use shaving cream to say nasty things about people. Use eggs, shaving cream, lotion, post it notes, and whatever else they could get their hands on to vandalize people's cars. And this was all BEFORE the online social networking phenom. I cant believe some of the stories my younger sister has told me involving online bullying.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that everytime something like this happens everyone always asked "What could be have done to prevent it?"

Well, maybe people should be asking "What did we do to cause this?"

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[kelpdiver 2]

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As bad as it is, it is a reflection of morals in the general society. How often do we see threads on here about how poor people just need to go and get a job, how the weak just need to toughen up or get the fuck out of the way.

The mindest of a bully is really no different.

It's the same in that the lesson is the same - you can take care of yourself. Hoping that society or authority will right an unfair situation is often not productive.

Schools are rarely helpful in these bully problems, leaving kids only with the choice of snitching (problematic), doing nothing (problematic), or fighting back (problematic, with chance of suspension or worst).

[Ion01 2]

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The only things bullies like that respect is when you grab one of them and smash her pretty face into a locker as hard as you can. After that... they tend to think you are nuts and they pretty much leave you alone.

But, the religious folks in the "Jesus" thread are telling us we should "turn the other cheek" and not fight back against evil! It should be enough for us to know that god will punish these evil girls when they die, some 50 years in the future, and therefore we should endure all their bullying and do nothing. Because violence never solves anything.

I don't know what they are saying but Romans 13:2-7 clearly makes the point that God has placed the government in authority to punish evil. Couple this with the example of Paul making the point that he was a roman citizen after being beat (which was against the law without a proper trial) and his appeal to the court of Caesar and it is clear that these girls should be held responsible and punished. Not by getting a group of people to go beat them up but by calling the police if your face gets punched after beign pushed into a locker, ect. You are not fighting back in this way, the ones with authority to do so are.
A modern day example of turning the other cheek properly and its effect.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/clerk-recounts-alleged-robbers-dramatic-change-heart/story?id=8887628

[Ion01 2]

BTW- I am sure they had done something violent before this and if appropriate action had been taken then it would never have gotten this far. I don't see why if it happens in school, fights, beatings, death threats, its not handled by police. If it happens outside of school it is so why is it suddenly different in school. Sometimes if it happens outside of school the school is still the one to "handle" the situation.