quade 4 #276 February 9, 2010 You're sick of the court system being abused but seem to be sticking up for outright bullying by vigilante "victims"? Yeah, that seems like the right solution to business v customer problems. WTF?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #277 February 9, 2010 Quote Quote You may fail your gun test! Too late ... I already passed it. haha and my plan is working ... How do you piss off a LIEberal? Easy ... buy a gun!!! I take a lot of visiting Canadians to the range. Corrupting your countrymen 2 or 3 at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #278 February 9, 2010 Quote>If a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business >premises, would that be okay with you? It wouldn't be OK with me. Yet it IS okay with you if they discriminate against legal gun carriers? What's the difference? QuoteIf a restaurant decided to exercise their First Amendment rights and celebrate the 9/11 attacks every year, perhaps with a free Flaming Tower dessert, would that be okay with you? I wouldn't like it, but it's okay with me. I'll choose to dine out elsewhere. The funny thing about freedom, is that if you're not willing to grant it to everyone else, then you shouldn't expect any for yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #279 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteIf a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business premises, would that be okay with you? race is a protected minority. Armed state is not a protected minority. Okay then, so let's say that it's only "discrimination" if it's against a "protected minority". Therefore it's perfectly acceptable to you to discriminate against, say, fat people, or people with blond hair, or people who wear turtlenecks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #280 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteOr is it okay to discriminate against gun owners, but not blacks? Yes, as a matter of fact (and law) it is. So you're okay with businesses being allowed to discriminate against anybody they want, as long as it's not blacks or some other group specifically protected by law? I would think a just man would be against discrimination of any kind, anywhere, any time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #281 February 9, 2010 QuoteBusinesses do not discriminate against gun owners. They discriminate against gun carriers. Oh well that's much better. Some kinds of discrimination are okay, I guess, in your mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #282 February 9, 2010 QuoteGot interesting comment - find the location of the next open carry event, and set up some kind of school nearby (close than 1,000 feet). When the crowd arrives, call the police and have all open carriers arrested for possessing a firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the school. Two to five in state prison. Would probably end open carry movement quite fast :) Ladies and gentlemen: here is an example of how some gun-control folks think. This should scare you. It's a good demonstration of their hatred for people who legally carry guns, and to what ends they would go to have them all locked up in prison. In order to achieve their dream of a gun-free society, they would be willing to turn the country into a Soviet-style dictatorship with gulag prison camps. Methinks their cure is worse than the perceived problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #283 February 9, 2010 Even though this thread has been mostly a pissing contest, I resonate with your last 5 posts. it's a contest between emotional response vs reason and acceptance ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #284 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteIf a restaurant decided to exercise their First Amendment rights and celebrate the 9/11 attacks every year, perhaps with a free Flaming Tower dessert, would that be okay with you? I wouldn't like it, but it's okay with me. I'll choose to dine out elsewhere. The funny thing about freedom, is that if you're not willing to grant it to everyone else, then you shouldn't expect any for yourself. Especially this one. One side: "I don't like something = it should be outlawed by government" the example above shows that this type of thought is considered a 'given' Response: "Even when I don't like something, freedom means we have to accept differences of opinion on private property" that's this whole thread once you strip the childishness out ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #285 February 9, 2010 QuoteYou're sick of the court system being abused but seem to be sticking up for outright bullying by vigilante "victims"? Yeah, that seems like the right solution to business v customer problems. WTF? where do I stick up for bullying? I stick up for someone's right to wear a gun when the law says they have a right to. I also (if you read carefully) don't have a problem with the business refusing them service. Private property is just that. Private. so here's your WTF?!? right back at you...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #286 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business premises, would that be okay with you? race is a protected minority. Armed state is not a protected minority. Okay then, so let's say that it's only "discrimination" if it's against a "protected minority". Therefore it's perfectly acceptable to you to discriminate against, say, fat people, or people with blond hair, or people who wear turtlenecks? it reads http://www.justice.gov/crt/cor/byagency/hhs9849.php Quoterace, creed, color, national origin, sex, political affiliation, or beliefs. blonde hair could be "color" if someone were so inclined to complain. Turtlenecks? Same as my cat owner example. Someone might contrive a religion that required they wear turtlenecks. Total BS, but in today's PC world, you never know what someone will come up with.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,071 #287 February 9, 2010 > I'll choose to dine out elsewhere. Sounds like you disapprove of people exercising their legal first amendment rights, and have decided to 'punish' them by withholding your business. O the shame. (Insert cartoon of the Statue of Liberty crying here.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #288 February 9, 2010 Quote> I'll choose to dine out elsewhere. Sounds like you disapprove of people exercising their legal first amendment rights, and have decided to 'punish' them by withholding your business. O the shame. (Insert cartoon of the Statue of Liberty crying here.) It's amazing the amount of spin that some people will put on the simple democratic concept of free choice. When you go shopping at your favorite grocery store, are you doing so to punish other grocery stores? Capitalism is all about every citizen making their own free choices as to where they spend their money. Businessmen can make their own free choices about to what kind of clientele they wish to cater. And then the market decides who prospers, and who fails. If a businessman wishes to openly embrace certain political positions which may drive many customers elsewhere, that's his choice to make. The customers are doing nothing wrong by making their own choices about to whom they wish to give their money. Perhaps you would prefer the old Soviet-era stores where the government owns them, and you have no other choice about where to shop. If you wanted a pork chop or a pound of butter, you had to go to the state store. And if you were really lucky, they'd have some. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,071 #289 February 9, 2010 >When you go shopping at your favorite grocery store, are you doing so >to punish other grocery stores? If they refused to hire any gay employees, perhaps - I don't want to support a store like that. And that has nothing to do with guns. To claim that a store is discriminating because they refuse to allow guns in is pretty silly. It's akin to claiming that a recovering alcoholic is discriminating against someone because he doesn't allow people to bring alcohol into his house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #290 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteYou're sick of the court system being abused but seem to be sticking up for outright bullying by vigilante "victims"? Yeah, that seems like the right solution to business v customer problems. WTF? where do I stick up for bullying? Are you saying that the "open carry" advocates aren't trying to bully companies and force the issue? Don't get me wrong, I understand you've explained your position, but the petulant behavior of these individuals is nothing but bullying.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #291 February 9, 2010 Quote .... Perhaps you would prefer the Soviet style stores where the government owns them, and you have no other choice about where to shop. Ever heard about the Mega Mall in Moscow? Planeta Neptun in St. Petersburg? Surely not. Otherwise, you would not show such an encyclopedically nescience. *Sovit style store* .... you still seem to live in ancient times. Like I said in another thread: Apply for (an ID), a passport ...... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #292 February 9, 2010 Quote Are you saying that the "open carry" advocates aren't trying to bully companies and force the issue? No more than the bullying being done by the Brady phone force. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #293 February 9, 2010 Quote> I'll choose to dine out elsewhere. Sounds like you disapprove of people exercising their legal first amendment rights, and have decided to 'punish' them by withholding your business. O the shame. (Insert cartoon of the Statue of Liberty crying here.) You know quite well that the 1st Amendment doesn't give you the right to say anything without consequences. Peet's has the right to exclude carrying customers, and they have the right to picket outside or go to Starbucks instead. Then the Thousand Mom Marchers at Brady have the right to picket/boycott Starbucks in response. And so on. All of these actions are forms of speech. For me personally, the primary objection I have with Peet's is the claim that this is a family matter. There's nothing incompatible between gun ownership and families - problems there stem from bad parenting. Peet's have chosen to make a political stand, when they could have simple said: no guns please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #294 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou're sick of the court system being abused but seem to be sticking up for outright bullying by vigilante "victims"? Yeah, that seems like the right solution to business v customer problems. WTF? where do I stick up for bullying? Are you saying that the "open carry" advocates aren't trying to bully companies and force the issue? Force what issue? Are they suing CPK and peets for entrance? (would be bullying and mis-use of courts, and new info to me) or are they just using this to get media attention? Looks like the latter to me. Maybe the former to you. We don't have to agree. I'm ok with that. edit: I went back to re-read the article in the OP. It had been a while. QuoteThe policies didn't exactly go over well with Open Carry proponents. On an online forum, they called for boycotts of Peet's and CPK. Someone even posted a protest sign (right). I hardly call that bullying.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #295 February 9, 2010 QuoteSomeone even posted a protest sign OMG someone has to STOP these fanatics. If we don't, they might write a strongly worded letter to the editor of the local newspaper. With that kind of in-your-face activism and direct response, if we don't stop them NOW, they might get jobs at the UN. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aresye 0 #296 February 9, 2010 I've been thinking about how far the Brady supporters will go to accomplish their goal of nationwide confiscation, and banishment of guns. How long until one of them gets angry enough, and attacks a pro-gun supporter, or a concealed carrier? Some people will do anything to accomplish their personal agenda, even resorting to violence for a non-violence goal. It's certainly happened before, with anti-war protests, and other political issues. Though attacking a known carrier when you're unarmed is likely the IQ equivalent of suing a law firm.Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #297 February 9, 2010 there are fanatics on every issue, and on all sides of each issue - and you can't predict them luckily it's usually a very small percentage ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #298 February 10, 2010 Quote well, that's up to the judge, but he'd still haul me into court, and assuming he could afford it, bankrupt me and put me out of business, or use it as a threat to get me to change my mind. The chance is kinda slim. I don't see a lot of challenges to "no shoes - no service" policies on religious grounds either.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #299 February 10, 2010 QuoteMethinks their cure is worse than the perceived problem. It was pretty clear what YOU would think about it well before you clicked on a "Post" link. So you just wasted some bandwidth.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #300 February 10, 2010 QuoteOh well that's much better. Some kinds of discrimination are okay, I guess, in your mind. Indeed. Try to bring a chain saw in a restaurant - I'm pretty sure they discriminate against chain saw carriers too!* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
