Getting rid of incumbents

[Beachbum 0]

A friend sent this url to me ... just curious how many of y'all have seen it, and what some of the hardcore from both sides of the fence think about it.

http://goooh.com/home.aspx

As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks?

[quade 4]

I wouldn't exactly call that non-partisan! Looks more like an attempt by a guy to cash in via donations.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[captain1976 0]

Well, Its time to do something. The Government is out of control and the people must take our country back. Remember, America was supposed to be a Republic and the founding fathers warned about Democracy.

We are going to take back our Country

You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime

[pirana 0]

I've often spoken to friends about the need for a grass-roots movement: VOTE!

Vote Out The Elected

Vote out all incumbents; they are failing us miseerably. Needed insurance reform is a biggie. Financial tools and institutions reform is another. (How many people are aware that there have been no significant changes to the rules that got us into the current mess; just a bailout and back to business as usual).

Vote them all out and the message would be loud and clear. Party affiliations, partisanship, and the degree of polarity they have led to are getting us nowhere. We need to send a clear signal that the public does not feel it is being served, and that the careers of politicians are secondary to the good of the public - not the other way around. The only reason they keep up the same BS is because the public has allowed them to do it without consequence. Fanning of the flames by extremist celebrity talking heads from both sides only makes things worse.

Let's give them a real hotfoot by firing their asses wholesale.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[billvon 2,990]

>Vote out all incumbents . . .

Fire the bums! Hire new bums!

[Niki1 1]

I'm afraid the Aides and Staffers would wind up taking their place. And they already know how to be corrupt.

How about if we cut their pay. Pay each Rep. the average income in his district. No campaign contribution from any one who can't vote for him. And a limit on the amount any one person can donate. No corporate money. No money from outside his district. No money from lobiests. Free speech in really free when all the voices are equal.

ALL meetings to be public. "Government in the Sunshine." They couldn't even call each other on the phone unless it was public. They couldn't have supper together unless the public was invited as well.

I don't know if things would get better but at least we'd know more about why.

Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done.
Louis D Brandeis

Where are we going and why are we in this basket?

[rushmc 23]

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>Vote out all incumbents . . .

Fire the bums! Hire new bums!

Damn Bill, I wonder how many realize how prophetic your post really is?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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>Vote out all incumbents . . .

Fire the bums! Hire new bums!

Damn Bill, I wonder how many realize how prophetic your post really is?

Roger Daltrey said something or other on the subject.

[rushmc 23]

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>Vote out all incumbents . . .

Fire the bums! Hire new bums!

Damn Bill, I wonder how many realize how prophetic your post really is?

Roger Daltrey said something or other on the subject.

Glen Beck had an idea he was tossing when I heard him the other day that I kind of likes

Instead of voting them out close the house and the Senate and have all the members have the meetings on line in their home districts and allow the people to sit in (like a gallery) and see the procedings. They could never say they dont really know what the people think ever again


Also, it would force all special insterst groups to have mulitiple lobiests that would have to travel to see more than one member at a time. That would make it more expensive for the SI too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[pirana 0]

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>Vote out all incumbents . . .

Fire the bums! Hire new bums!

Exactly! And the new bums get one term to make real progress. If not, can all their pathetic, wishy-washy asses.

2 cycles of that would only take 8 years. No big deal. I mean, it's not like our government has made a single fucking lick of progress in the last 8 years.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

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I'm afraid the Aides and Staffers would wind up taking their place. And they already know how to be corrupt.

That's cool. We won't have to wait a year for them to learn the Rules of Order. They will know the required procedures for getting things done; but will have the clear message that if they resort to the same BS as the current bunch of total fucking losers - they will be out in the street.

I think we should look at them as a competitive team; friendly competition for positions, but once the selection process is over, total commitment to generate positive results.

IMO, they are about 4-132 since the first Bush was elected. Time to clean fucking house. And it should start at the top. (But don't get me wrong, they are so dismally bad we're better of dumping the franchise and starting with a draft of all new players).

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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2 cycles of that would only take 8 years. No big deal. I mean, it's not like our government has made a single fucking lick of progress in the last 8 years.

???? Wouldn't it take 4 years in the house and 12 in the Senate?

[MrLicious 0]

I have always thought that we as a nation need to get rid of all professional politicians, and replace them with people who have spent some time in the real world. I personally think all it would take to be a good representative is the ability to make sound decisions, based on fact, for the better of your constituency. I think I could do it, I think most of the people on this site could do a good job. I also believe that we need to put the servant back in public service. I don't believe that GOOOH is non partisan either, but it is a good idea!

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[rehmwa 2]

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I have always thought that we as a nation need to get rid of all professional politicians, and replace them with people who have spent some time in the real world. I personally think all it would take to be a good

the concept of the "reluctant" leader was something much desired by the founders - take someone that's a success in their public life and they'd be cajoled to serve a term or two by the urging of the people of their districts. They'd rather be working their own businesses, but do the short term of public service because they feel a duty to. Then they pass the baton and return to their old jobs.

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[Lucky... 0]

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A friend sent this url to me ... just curious how many of y'all have seen it, and what some of the hardcore from both sides of the fence think about it.

http://goooh.com/home.aspx

- No longer represents the people? And they did from 2001 to 2007 whne Bush vetoed 1 bill and let the rest slide, the war, the massive unprecedented debt/deficit? Where were the kooks then? The teabagger kooks, where were they? Did the House represent us then? It's partisan BS.

- Started in 2007. Anyone with a few brain cells realize that's when the Dems took the House and tied the senate, but these quasi teabaggers claim they are after the House, so they want to flip control; it's not difficult, drones.

- His plea for millions sounds a lot like Oral Roberts plea for millions or Jebus would call him home. WHat a farce, who would be dumb enough to send in their C-note?

[Lucky... 0]

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Well, Its time to do something. The Government is out of control and the people must take our country back.

Was the gov out of control when:

- Reagan cut taxes from 70% top brkt to 28%, tripled the debt and left a mess?

- GWB cut taxes from 40% top brkt to 35% and spent thru the roof, adding 5T to the debt?

It looks like your timing is skewed, this mess has been brewing for decades, I guess you didn't notice it then.

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Remember, America was supposed to be a Republic and the founding fathers warned about Democracy.

Eisenhower warned us about the Military Industrial COmplex and we ignored, now we have a corporate-fascist military machine that sucks cash at record rates, yet you have no comment about that.

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We are going to take back our Country

Firstly, no we're not, secondly, and give it to the fascist Republican machine that is responsible for most of this mess?

[billvon 2,990]

>And the new bums get one term to make real progress. If not, can
>all their pathetic, wishy-washy asses.

You are presupposing that:

1) the supply of bums is limited or
2) people will have the ability and inclination to ferret out the hard workers from the bums.

1) is clearly not true.

People have had the opportunity to do 2) for a long, long time and consistently seem not to do it. Heck, even right here in SC, we see the same old same old - both sides do their very best to drag down the other side even as their knees jerk to support "their guy."

[Beachbum 0]

Ok ... I'm confused here. Maybe we didn't read the same website. How do you get that GOOOH is not non-partisan? Read the sections talking about candidate selection, and party affiliation. As for the posts inferring that GOOOH is just a single person ... well ....
I think it would be a great step in the right direction to at least be giving the public as a whole a chance to pick their candidate as opposed to what takes place right now (party pretty much controlling who runs). I'm not going to get into the other stuff ... just wanted to see how y'all would react to this. I was tickled when she sent the link to me, since I've been advocating something along these lines for quite some time now. I think that getting things flushed out in D.C. would be a great start toward getting this country back on the track I believe our founding fathers intended for it.

[Beachbum 0]

ok ... made a liar of myself ... I had to reply to this one!

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- No longer represents the people? And they did from 2001 to 2007 whne Bush vetoed 1 bill and let the rest slide, the war, the massive unprecedented debt/deficit? Where were the kooks then? The teabagger kooks, where were they? Did the House represent us then? It's partisan BS.

- Started in 2007. Anyone with a few brain cells realize that's when the Dems took the House and tied the senate, but these quasi teabaggers claim they are after the House, so they want to flip control; it's not difficult, drones.

- His plea for millions sounds a lot like Oral Roberts plea for millions or Jebus would call him home. WHat a farce, who would be dumb enough to send in their C-note?

Hmmm ... and you think that everyone was paying attention, I guess. People ARE starting to wake up and be concerned. Yes, it is happening much later than should have been, but better now than never. As for the financial goals, elections are seldom won on very low budgets these days, and if it is to be an effective nationwide movement, that is a LOT of campaigns to try to finance.
I don't read in SC with a lot of regularity and could have easily missed something, but you seem to always find fault with almost everything, and I have yet to see you offer any sound solutions. Do you have a viable alternative in mind that would help the people in the US regain control of our government? We'd REALLY like to know! You complain about GOOOH wanting to raise money, so we'd especially like to hear about it if what you have in mind would not require a lot of $$$. If you know of a plausible legal low cost solution, I can think of several million people who'd love to hear it.

As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks?

[Lucky... 0]

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Hmmm ... and you think that everyone was paying attention, I guess. People ARE starting to wake up and be concerned. Yes, it is happening much later than should have been, but better now than never.

Right, and if Obama resigned and a Republican suddenly took over tomorrow, spending would increase if history over the last 30 years repeats, and these nuts would restore their amnesia. Pls, don't insult us, these teabaggeresque nuts are just Dme haters, nothing more - nothing less.

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As for the financial goals, elections are seldom won on very low budgets these days, and if it is to be an effective nationwide movement, that is a LOT of campaigns to try to finance.

Close elections sure, but when you have the disasters of the Repubs all the Dem candidate has to do is say he's not a Republican.

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I don't read in SC with a lot of regularity and could have easily missed something, but you seem to always find fault with almost everything, and I have yet to see you offer any sound solutions.

Now you've become like most other conseervative posters and relegate yourself to ad hominem; IOW's, make it about me and not teh issues YOU brought in.

I've offered many solutions such as:

- Tax increases. Show me a major federal tax cut that has worked for other than the rich, or, a major fed tax increase that hasn't worked well for teh masses.

- Stimulus. The pres has done this and it's worked great; market is way ahead of schedule, GDP is really there and unemp has bottomed and needs to be addressed so it can get back to 5%ish.

- Education supplements.

- HC provisions to ensure it to all regardless of financial ability.

- Cut the military in half. We match teh world dollar for dollar and it's time to scale back.

I am inline with Obama and was before he took office; do a search and you'll find that very language.

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Do you have a viable alternative in mind that would help the people in the US regain control of our government? We'd REALLY like to know!

The problem here is that your definition of regain is quite different than mine. The gov has pulled teh people out of all messes thoughout time, usually it's corporations that put us there. How about we apply Teddy Roosevelt's model of corporate control and take the gov from tehj grasp of corporations and gove it to the people. The problem here is that you love corporations and feel they do no wrong.

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You complain about GOOOH wanting to raise money, so we'd especially like to hear about it if what you have in mind would not require a lot of $$$.

Here's the interpretation issue; I NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT GOOOH GETTING MONEY. I said it was akin to Oral Roberts using Jebus to get the idiots to give him millions, but I don;t have a problem with either. I hardly complained.

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If you know of a plausible legal low cost solution, I can think of several million people who'd love to hear it.

Solution to what? The Dems in congress? This is what you call a problem because, in your words, they're spending too much. But you say this as you refuse to break down the 12T debt and who accumulated it. If you did you would see that it is your party that did it. I know, I know, you're an independent. Good one, an independent who votes Republican, yea. Come on out of teh closet and declare your Republican ideals; it's ok. I know, embarrassing tho

[hwt 0]

When a new congress person goes to washington they are greeted by the clowns that have been in office for 20 or more years. these clowns just simply teach the newbies "how things are done in washington" .
The idea of 2 term limits has been thrown around for years yet The good old boys just vote it down time and time again.
When people voted for Obama they voted for change and all they got was same old crap from the good old boys. Why can't our poloticians understand that the people should come first and not the party..
I am all for this idea but i remain a skeptic ..

[justinb138 0]

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hy can't our poloticians understand that the people should come first and not the party..
I am all for this idea but i remain a skeptic ..

They are concerned about the people coming first... their people.

Any why? Because they answer to the party first, and the people second.

[billvon 2,990]

>People ARE starting to wake up and be concerned.

I think that while that's good, it doesn't matter. Corporations just learned that they can contribute as much as they want to whatever candidate they want. Politicians represent the people who get them elected - and now that will be the large corporations that pay for their campaigns.

[marks2065 0]

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>People ARE starting to wake up and be concerned.

I think that while that's good, it doesn't matter. Corporations just learned that they can contribute as much as they want to whatever candidate they want. Politicians represent the people who get them elected - and now that will be the large corporations that pay for their campaigns.

you are correct but they can pay for advertising not donate to the actual campaign if I understood the article about what the judge said at the sotu speach.