Young Female Cop Shoots Family Dog.

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Do you mean these puppies?

(Let's see what "The Plumber" has to say about it)

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Right back at ye, buddy. Right back at ye.
Damn you make me laugh!

No, I'm going from known info, you assume facts here; can you provide anything that I am assuming other than is reported?

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You wrote, "Well, they weren't investigators, that's sensationalizing, she was the investigating officer."
Whether or not there were exigent circs. is up to the investigators who investigate the event. So there are investigators. Understand? (I highly doubt it)

On the front end, after they fully exonerate her the family will decide whether or not to sue. Just because the dept decides to hook up an officer as the generally always do, that isn't the final word.

Furthermoe, that is after teh fact and administrative, I'm talking as the event unfolded; illustrate how her actions were responsible and how she used all available resource in order.

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Since she DID find reason to shoot the dog there is a higher chance of there being exigent circs. than not.

She found reason after she used poor discretion, I'm not all surprised that you skim over the fact that she decided not to ignore the signage and go ahead and breach the door. If a private person did that and was mauled the homeowner would be in the right. Here it is ok that the officer ignored the signage w/o. as was reported, anything but a cancelled 911 call and she was in the right to ignore the sign.

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We will all just have to wait for the final report to come out...even you.

The discussion here is about the events and our perception AT THE TIME, not how the cops will cover each other's ass administratively as the generally always do. I don't care that the dept will exonerate her, this is not an FAA / DOT matter wher the report is generally objective, this will be a typical police coverup, so why not address the event and the ognorin of the signage?

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Might as well back up, dude. The only thing tougher than finding a subject that Lucky isn't an expert in is finding a subject that he's competent in.

You're answer Belgian, a guy who claimed to be an aircraft structural expert and tried to school me, a person who's worked that for 15 years, aircraft all my life; he's claimed to have built 1 acft - likely BS. So just keep the ad hominem going, back slapping a fellow conservative and ignore the signage of the dogs. Isn't it fun how conservatives are revisionists?

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Might as well back up, dude. The only thing tougher than finding a subject that Lucky isn't an expert in is finding a subject that he's competent in.

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Gosh golly, back thlapping back at ya fella. [insert smiley face] (ignore signage issue)

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So you are going from known facts?
I am, for all intents and purposes, assuming the officer is telling the truth.
You are assuming she is lying.
Go back to watching Magnum PI.

HAMMER:
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wow what a ride, alot of good arguments, but I still think this was avoidable, a canceled 911 call is only canceled if a believably calm person talks to the 911 operator convincing them, not with a beaten wife screaming in the backround. Also off topic but in the 80s there was a phone that when the battery got dead, it called 911. don't know how or why but my girl friend had this happen to her 0300 police show up at her door. she says every thing ok lets officer walk thru house to prove everything ok. it was later that she learned about the phone problem.

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I have scanned this thread and did not see a news link to the actual incident. If I missed it, my apologies. Here is a link to what I think is the incident the OP is referring to.

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_14342260

This cannot be the first time a cop in that city has encountered a family dog protecting its territory. It's a shame that this officer felt so threatened that her first reaction was to shoot it. Frankly, I thought cops were tougher than that. I am not a cop, but I find it sad that this officer's response to what appeared to be a mildly threatening situation (at worst) was to pull out a gun and start blasting away. I sincerely hope that cops in general are trained better than this one was.

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Frankly, I thought cops were tougher than that.

[sarcasm] yeah and they shold be Chuck Norris tough and just let the dog take a bite or two out of them to see if the dog is really mean or just a poser. [/sarcasm]

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

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This cannot be the first time a cop in that city has encountered a family dog protecting its territory.

And, in protecting its territory, if those dogs appeared violent or dangerous with no owner in sight to restrain it, I hope the cops shot it each and every time.

Cops are under no obligation to put themselves in unnecessary danger of life or even injury for a pet.

Is this the same crowd that gets upset when a cop uses his weapons to restraing a criminal with lesser weapons? It's their JOB, not some emotional action drama.

"but, rehmwa, on the show Bones, they brought in a nationally famous 'dog-whisperer' to handle the fighting dogs - isn't that how real life should be?"

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This cannot be the first time a cop in that city has encountered a family dog protecting its territory.

And, in protecting its territory, if those dogs appeared violent or dangerous with no owner in sight to restrain it, I hope the cops shot it each and every time.

Did you even read the article? The dog's owners assert that there was a family member on the porch when the cop shot the dog. These poor folks inadvertently dialed 911 and a cop showed up and shot their dog. Any cop that has judgment that poor has no business walking around with a gun and a badge. The last thing we need are nervous cops with itchy trigger fingers on the street.

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absolutely not, no time to read articles -

I think that the practice of using dogs in the police gun training as pop up targets are to blame and we need to revert to the cool alien pop ups used in Men in Black for all of our training.

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These poor folks inadvertently dialed 911 and a cop showed up and shot their dog.

case closed
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"and that's a wrap"


frankly, what part of - "fraudulent use of the 911 phone line is subject to severe and criminal penalties under city statute" do these people not understand?



as a government employee she could be reassign to administering the new health care plan, perhaps for the over 70 demographic


(Sorry, still distracted by the hot oil visuals)

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This cannot be the first time a cop in that city has encountered a family dog protecting its territory.

And, in protecting its territory, if those dogs appeared violent or dangerous with no owner in sight to restrain it, I hope the cops shot it each and every time.

Did you even read the article? The dog's owners assert that there was a family member on the porch when the cop shot the dog. These poor folks inadvertently dialed 911 and a cop showed up and shot their dog. Any cop that has judgment that poor has no business walking around with a gun and a badge. The last thing we need are nervous cops with itchy trigger fingers on the street.

And that family member either made no attempt to control the dog or left it to bark at the cop. Either way, he left it up to the cop to deal with a barking, potentialy agrressive animal as she saw fit. And she did. And now they are pissed.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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Frankly, what part of - "fraudulent use of the 911 phone line is subject to severe and criminal penalties under city statute" do these people not understand?

So your argument is that in response to these folks' mistaken 911 call, the police should shoot their dog and arrest everyone? My point is simply that the people we trust with police powers need to exercise restraint and good judgment at all times. It is clear that this particular officer failed miserably at that. Suppose she had missed the dog and killed a child? Would you still be playing cheerleader for her?

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Frankly, what part of - "fraudulent use of the 911 phone line is subject to severe and criminal penalties under city statute" do these people not understand?

So your argument is that in response to these folks' mistaken 911 call, the police should shoot their dog and arrest everyone? My point is simply that the people we trust with police powers need to exercise restraint and good judgment at all times. It is clear that this particular officer failed miserably at that. Suppose she had missed the dog and killed a child? Would you still be playing cheerleader for her?

of course, the law is the law, and if the local government wants the penalty for abuse of 911 to be "shoot their dog" (or here on DZ.com "shoot they're dog") then so be it

Local statute #3.b.12 - "any family member not in control of their dog is to be shot on site and on sight" - so YAY for the "young, female, cop" for shooting the little child - that's good police work



you went over the top with the last two sentences - you almost hooked me in again - it was close

frankly, I think you're biased against female police officers - why do want to bias these jobs to only 230 pound 6'4" Irish white males. Do you hate diversity?

have a good night - I'm going to the climbing gym

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So your argument is that in response to these folks' mistaken 911 call, the police should shoot their dog and arrest everyone?

Not what was said. Blowing up at the seams doesn't make you right, only emotional.

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My point is simply that the people we trust with police powers need to exercise restraint and good judgment at all times.

I want perfection dammit! That what we should get for $28K a year

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It is clear that this particular officer failed miserably at that.

Clear to who? If the owner was on the porch then the owner should have been more actively controlling the animal or communicating with the cop. Owner failed-pet paid the price.

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Suppose she had missed the dog and killed a child? Would you still be playing cheerleader for her?

Suppose monkeys flew out of her butt (although I'm much more fond of the hot lesbian scenario). I can tell when someone is getting desperate to defend their position when they try to alter the premise of the discussion to a situation that makes them correct.

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Call them from outside the gate. I am assuming you have heard of the telephone, it replaced pebbles quite some time ago.

Are you sure the officer had their phone number? When 911 dispatches, do they give the phone number directly to the officer?

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It Amazes me the IDIOTS that will ignore my 4 Beware of Dog signs on my fence. (2 one the gate, one on each side)
My bet is , she hated dogs to start with, and entered with gun drawn!

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I'll bet the ability to make a leap like that saves you a ton in jump tickets, just stand in the peas and launch yourself to 12.5

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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It Amazes me the IDIOTS that will ignore my 4 Beware of Dog signs on my fence. (2 one the gate, one on each side)
My bet is , she hated dogs to start with, and entered with gun drawn!

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I hope you don't gamble much. During my career I had to shoot several dogs for various reasons. I also investigated several others as a supervisor. They all were unfortunate but all justified. I'm an animal lover but, not a chew toy for someone elses dog.
One of my officers, a small female, actually let a dog bite her before she shot it, she didn't want to shoot the dog. In the ones I did, i'd do the same thing again.
As far as 911 hang-up's go, it's the duty of the agency to check the welfare of the caller. There have been agencies sued because they did'nt and something was very wrong.

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Why in the hell would anybody want a dog so viscious they need to put 4 warning sings out??? Dog like that should be kept in kennel with double fencing set in concrete.

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If the owner was on the porch then the owner should have been more actively controlling the animal or communicating with the cop. Owner failed-pet paid the price.

Just read the article. Definitely agree now. From this it sounds like the daughter could have said something as well:

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The most profound impact of the shooting has been on their 13-year-old daughter Maria, who fainted after seeing her pet being shot.

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Frankly, I thought cops were tougher than that.

[sarcasm] yeah and they shold be Chuck Norris tough and just let the dog take a bite or two out of them to see if the dog is really mean or just a poser. [/sarcasm]

Or have a brain and think there might actually be a dog or 3 on the other side of that fence with the BEWARE OF DOG sign. (not sarcasm)

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This cannot be the first time a cop in that city has encountered a family dog protecting its territory.

And, in protecting its territory, if those dogs appeared violent or dangerous with no owner in sight to restrain it, I hope the cops shot it each and every time.

Did you even read the article? The dog's owners assert that there was a family member on the porch when the cop shot the dog. These poor folks inadvertently dialed 911 and a cop showed up and shot their dog. Any cop that has judgment that poor has no business walking around with a gun and a badge. The last thing we need are nervous cops with itchy trigger fingers on the street.

Aside from the dead dog, the risk to humans was grave.

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absolutely not, no time to read articles -

I think that the practice of using dogs in the police gun training as pop up targets are to blame and we need to revert to the cool alien pop ups used in Men in Black for all of our training.

Another non-responsive pile of shit answer.