Unarmed versus Armed Victims

[kelpdiver 2]

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See, you can only "prove" your point if you go to heavy cherry-picking.

It takes a cherry picker to identify a cherry picker.

I think this should be a Speaker's Corner axiom.

[georgerussia 0]

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From this, I must take it that the debate technique of using analogies to make a point, is over your head.

There is a significant different between using analogies and attributing them to the opponent. I assume you see the difference between "Perhaps a violent criminal likes murdering people" and "Perhaps JohnRich likes murdering people and would also like to murder our President".

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So what are YOU going to do when a group of thugs is stalking you and ready to pounce...

Probably the same as YOU will do when a next Cho aims at your back and presses on the trigger.

NYET comrade....


I think I mentioned AWARENESS..... I tend to know when people are around me... and acting in a threatening manner.

Sorry if YOU dont get that... ditty bopping thru your blissfully unaware life

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I can see many reasons for carrying a pistol or rifle. Rattlesnakes, cats, bear and etc.

I hope you don't shoot animals in National Parks.
Maybe a big cat or bear, to save your life, but a rattlesnake? I've seen a lot of animals killed, but never in self defense. Once again, I know it happens occationally, but not when I've been around.

But what do I know?

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I think I mentioned AWARENESS..... I tend to know when people are around me... and acting in a threatening manner.

This doesn't guarantee you wouldn't end up in the same situation.

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Percentages are merely rates. If you have statistically significant rates of 2% and 1%, the second rate is 50% lower.

This is only true if you base your 100% scale on the 2% rate. This is what is misleading. We already have our 100% scale.

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I think I mentioned AWARENESS..... I tend to know when people are around me... and acting in a threatening manner.

This doesn't guarantee you wouldn't end up in the same situation.

Just like nothing guarantees that you are not going to be stuck by an incoming meteorite........ but I am not running around yelling for the police to protect me from all the evil meteor throwers either.




THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.. PROTECT ME.....

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NO! I don't shoot animals in parks but if one charges me (not very likely) I would like to have half a chance. I was just giving possible examples.


Chuck

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NO! I don't shoot animals in parks but if one charges me (not very likely) I would like to have half a chance. I was just giving possible examples.


Chuck

MMMM mesquite grilled sidewinder steaks...MMMMM

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NO! I don't shoot animals in parks but if one charges me (not very likely) I would like to have half a chance. I was just giving possible examples.


Chuck

MMMM mesquite grilled sidewinder steaks...MMMMM

That is, pretty good eatin'!


Chuck

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NO! I don't shoot animals in parks but if one charges me (not very likely) I would like to have half a chance. I was just giving possible examples.


Chuck

MMMM mesquite grilled sidewinder steaks...MMMMM

That is, pretty good eatin'!


Chuck

That was one of the FEW things I really enjoyed while running around out on the Nellis AFB ranges.. when we got to go "camping" out there in the desert but the "green" rattlers there were a bunch bigger and a lot more common

[georgerussia 0]

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but I am not running around yelling for the police to protect me from all the evil meteor throwers either.

SURPRISE - me neither.

In fact I feel more safe than you - because I do not depend on a tool (which may fail) for that.

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NO! I don't shoot animals in parks but if one charges me (not very likely) I would like to have half a chance. I was just giving possible examples.


Chuck

MMMM mesquite grilled sidewinder steaks...MMMMM

That is, pretty good eatin'!


Chuck

That was one of the FEW things I really enjoyed while running around out on the Nellis AFB ranges.. when we got to go "camping" out there in the desert but the "green" rattlers there were a bunch bigger and a lot more common

I've had diamond back and side-winder but never green rattlers! Don't believe I've ever seen a green rattler!


Chuck

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NO! I don't shoot animals in parks but if one charges me (not very likely) I would like to have half a chance. I was just giving possible examples.


Chuck

MMMM mesquite grilled sidewinder steaks...MMMMM

That is, pretty good eatin'!


Chuck

That was one of the FEW things I really enjoyed while running around out on the Nellis AFB ranges.. when we got to go "camping" out there in the desert but the "green" rattlers there were a bunch bigger and a lot more common

I've had diamond back and side-winder but never green rattlers! Don't believe I've ever seen a green rattler!


Chuck

Oh heck yes.. I kept the first one I ever caught as a pet for a couple years. ( not that I "petted" Strike very much) It was a Pacific Emerald Diamondback and I caught him while deer hunting along the Deschutes River in Oregon. They tend to get that color if they live someplace were it provides better cover for them. Down in Nevada they had them in the creosote and mesquite bottoms. Not as green as the Oregon variety.. but a definite tinge of green to em.

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but I am not running around yelling for the police to protect me from all the evil meteor throwers either.

SURPRISE - me neither.

In fact I feel more safe than you - because I do not depend on a tool (which may fail) for that.

It is gonna be a rude awakening for you when you need that hammer and you never botherd to get one.

[JohnRich 4]

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In fact I feel more safe than you - because I do not depend on a tool (which may fail) for that.

By all means...
Don't rely upon a fire extinguisher to help out in a kitchen fire.
Don't rely upon your seat belt to help out in a traffic accident.
Don't rely upon a telephone to call for help with a medical emergency.
And don't rely upon a reserve parachute to help out with a main canopy malfunction.

You're much safer without all of those, because they all might fail when you need them.

It's much better to practice safe cooking, safe driving, good health and meticulous parachute packing. I'm sure you do all that, and therefore have nothing to worry about. What could go wrong?

(This exercise in "logic" has been brought to you by georgerussia!)

[JohnRich 4]

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From this, I must take it that the debate technique of using rhetorical analogies to make a point, is over your head.

There is a significant different between using analogies and attributing them to the opponent. I assume you see the difference between "Perhaps a violent criminal likes murdering people" and "Perhaps JohnRich likes murdering people and would also like to murder our President".

Perhaps maybe you should have noted the words "perhaps" and "maybe" in that message (#113), which would have indicated to you that it wasn't a direct attribution, but rather perhaps maybe more of a rhetorical question to make a point.

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NO! I don't shoot animals in parks but if one charges me (not very likely) I would like to have half a chance. I was just giving possible examples.


Chuck

MMMM mesquite grilled sidewinder steaks...MMMMM

That is, pretty good eatin'!


Chuck

That was one of the FEW things I really enjoyed while running around out on the Nellis AFB ranges.. when we got to go "camping" out there in the desert but the "green" rattlers there were a bunch bigger and a lot more common

I've had diamond back and side-winder but never green rattlers! Don't believe I've ever seen a green rattler!


Chuck

Oh heck yes.. I kept the first one I ever caught as a pet for a couple years. ( not that I "petted" Strike very much) It was a Pacific Emerald Diamondback and I caught him while deer hunting along the Deschutes River in Oregon. They tend to get that color if they live someplace were it provides better cover for them. Down in Nevada they had them in the creosote and mesquite bottoms. Not as green as the Oregon variety.. but a definite tinge of green to em.

Thanks. Stands to reason, they would adapt their color to their surroundings. Around here, they tend to blend-in with the rocks and sand. We also have a highly deadly 'rock rattler'. According to what I've read, they are smaller but deadlier than a diamond back or side-winder.


Chuck

[georgerussia 0]

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Perhaps maybe you should have noted the words "perhaps" and "maybe" in that message (#113), which would have indicated to you that it wasn't a direct attribution, but rather perhaps maybe more of a rhetorical question to make a point.

So let me make it straight. If I make up something like "perhaps maybe you should stop going to gay bars and truck stops looking for some homosexual encounters" is this fine with you because it uses the words "perhaps" and "maybe"? After all, it is not a direct attribution, but rather perhaps maybe more of a rhetorical question to make a point. Can you confirm this is indeed the case?

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Perhaps maybe you should have noted the words "perhaps" and "maybe" in that message (#113), which would have indicated to you that it wasn't a direct attribution, but rather perhaps maybe more of a rhetorical question to make a point.

So let me make it straight. If I make up something like "perhaps maybe you should stop going to gay bars and truck stops looking for some homosexual encounters" is this fine with you because it uses the words "perhaps" and "maybe"? After all, it is not a direct attribution, but rather perhaps maybe more of a rhetorical question to make a point. Can you confirm this is indeed the case?

PERHAPS you might want to consider that you MIGHT find more of those in your area ( just a guess) than you could POSSIBLY find in the area John lives in

[georgerussia 0]

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By all means...
Don't rely upon a fire extinguisher to help out in a kitchen fire.
Don't rely upon your seat belt to help out in a traffic accident.
Don't rely upon a telephone to call for help with a medical emergency.
And don't rely upon a reserve parachute to help out with a main canopy malfunction.

You are intentionally avoiding the most important aspect of why people want to restrict the gun ownership - that guns can be (and have been) used by some gun owners to harm other people really bad - much worse if they didn't have a gun.

Tell me, how many people were murdered with fire extinguishers?
Tell me, how many people were murdered with seat belts?
Tell me, how many people were murdered with telephones?
And how many people were murdered with reserve parachutes?

Indeed, some of you gun owners have a very twisted way of thinking!

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[georgerussia 0]

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It is gonna be a rude awakening for you when you need that hammer and you never botherd to get one.

I haven't needed one in 35 years, so I really doubt I'd need one in next 35.

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By all means...
Don't rely upon a fire extinguisher to help out in a kitchen fire.
Don't rely upon your seat belt to help out in a traffic accident.
Don't rely upon a telephone to call for help with a medical emergency.
And don't rely upon a reserve parachute to help out with a main canopy malfunction.

You are intentionally avoiding the most important aspect of why people want to restrict the gun ownership - that guns can be (and have been) used by some gun owners to harm other people really bad - much worse if they didn't have a gun.

Tell me, how many people were murdered with fire extinguishers?
Tell me, how many people were murdered with seat belts?
Tell me, how many people were murdered with telephones?
And how many people were murdered with reserve parachutes?

Indeed, some of you gun owners have a very twisted way of thinking!

All those have been used to kill people... FAIL

[georgerussia 0]

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All those have been used to kill people... FAIL

I'm waiting for news reports when someone has been murdered with a seatbelt!
Then we will count the numbers, and see what has been used more often to murder versus to save - a gun or a seatbelt.

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[JohnRich 4]

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By all means...
Don't rely upon a fire extinguisher to help out in a kitchen fire.
Don't rely upon your seat belt to help out in a traffic accident.
Don't rely upon a telephone to call for help with a medical emergency.
And don't rely upon a reserve parachute to help out with a main canopy malfunction.

You are intentionally avoiding the most important aspect of why people want to restrict the gun ownership - that guns can be (and have been) used by some gun owners to harm other people really bad - much worse if they didn't have a gun.

Tell me, how many people were murdered with fire extinguishers?
Tell me, how many people were murdered with seat belts?
Tell me, how many people were murdered with telephones?
And how many people were murdered with reserve parachutes?

Once again you've shown yourself unable to keep up with the context of the discussion. This was all about you not needing a tool to keep yourself safe.

Please try and keep up.

The point being made was that there are many tools in common usage in life that are a good idea to own and use, and which prevent many bad things from happening. Guns are included amongst those tools.

But not to worry, I'm sure none of those bad scenarios will never happen to you.

And as a matter of fact, several people have been murdered by tampering with their reserve parachutes. Does that mean that we should remove them and jump without them, so that no one will be able to mess with 'em? Would we be more safe without them?