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Wrong. MLK established that sometimes there's a better answer.

Oh, did MLK promote any violence? Please show us where via quotes.

you'd come across as much less of a loony if you would at least reference something backing up your side of the argument before you demand proof (in this and other threads). Maybe doing something like http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mlk+peace+quote would at least make you seem like less of a knee-jerker

just trying to help. sure you'll find some negative way to respond. You're very good at that.

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Wrong. MLK established that sometimes there's a better answer.

Oh, did MLK promote any violence? Please show us where via quotes.

Wow, if that's the qualtiy of misdirection used in SC, you guys' rep is way, way overated.

Any reasonable person would not misconstrue my argument as you intnetionally have. But to spell it out for you, Im not saying he advocated violence, jus that he obviously didn't have the perfect answer with total nonviolence.

But if you'd life a nonviolent figure ehad advocating violence:

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence. ~Gandhi

As I said: Sometimes there are no good answer and you're left with choosing the lesser evil.

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Obviously, we need legislation to restrict the private ownership of aircraft. At a minimum, there needs to be a waiting period before purchasing.

You sound like a typical "dear-socialist-government-please-protect-us-from-ourselves" aircraft-control Brady type. The proud Texas redneck citizen would never beg the government to protect him from harm. The solution is there! If there was a single IRS employee in a parking lot with a Stinger this horrible crime would never happen! Think about it!

This case made it extremely clear that all citizens must have Constitutional rights to purchase and carry anti-aircraft missiles. After all, criminals can steal those anyway, so why law abiding citizens cannot buy one in Safeway? Sure, there will be some losers who would say it is not a good idea, and maybe some drunk idiot may bring down an airliner with those. They ignore the fact that doing so would be a crime, and since criminals do not obey laws anyway, this is a completely irrelevant point, and making more of them available would do no harm.

Nobody should restrict a responsible citizens' right to protect themselves and their loved ones from those stupid Al-Qaeda pilots and other nuts flying planes into buildings!

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Geez! There's racism in everything.

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I don't think the guy is a martyr, but when I read the story, I laughed out loud with delight (really!)

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Wrong. MLK established that sometimes there's a better answer.

Oh, did MLK promote any violence? Please show us where via quotes.

Wow, if that's the qualtiy of misdirection used in SC, you guys' rep is way, way overated.

Any reasonable person would not misconstrue my argument as you intnetionally have. But to spell it out for you, Im not saying he advocated violence, jus that he obviously didn't have the perfect answer with total nonviolence.

But if you'd life a nonviolent figure ehad advocating violence:

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence. ~Gandhi

As I said: Sometimes there are no good answer and you're left with choosing the lesser evil.

-Blind

Look, dude, I wrote that MLK was non-violent, you wrote: Wrong. MLK established that sometimes there's a better answer. So you say I'm wrong, I ask for evidence of any kind and you go all That's how you guys roll in SC on me. Whatever. Yes, the intelligent people ask for reasonable evidence, not some standard of absolute proof, just something to support your assertion. Perhaps in Bonfire they don't get as deep into issues, so just a mention is all you do and it's believed.

To ask for a little supporting evidence is not misdirection.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misdirection

1 : a wrong direction
2 a : the act or an instance of misdirecting or diverting b : the state of being misdirected

So how is asking for evidence of MLK being not all about non-vilence a diversion from your assertion? Seems like it's right in line, but I guess ya gotta write something if you have no evidence.

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But if you'd life a nonviolent figure ehad advocating violence:

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence. ~Gandhi

Now that's misdirection; the issue was MLK and my assertion of nonviolence vs Wrong. MLK established that sometimes there's a better answer.

By saying, "Wrong" you make the claim that MLK didn't disavow violence.

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Any reasonable person would not misconstrue my argument as you intnetionally have. But to spell it out for you, Im not saying he advocated violence, jus that he obviously didn't have the perfect answer with total nonviolence.

Any reasonable person wouldn't say, "Wrong" unless they had a little supporting evidence. Not having the perfect answer for nonviolence isn't the same as disavowing violence, which in my opinion he did. Here's a little help for you: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1426

Nonviolence: The Only Road to Freedom

Now carry on with your inanity.

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Wrong. MLK established that sometimes there's a better answer.

Oh, did MLK promote any violence? Please show us where via quotes.

you'd come across as much less of a loony if you would at least reference something backing up your side of the argument before you demand proof (in this and other threads). Maybe doing something like http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mlk+peace+quote would at least make you seem like less of a knee-jerker

just trying to help. sure you'll find some negative way to respond. You're very good at that.

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you'd come across as much less of a loony if...

...would at least make you seem like less of a knee-jerker ...


just trying to help. sure you'll find some negative way to respond. You're very good at that

You commit 2 PA's and tell me not to? Bizzare.

Some things in life are so obvious and well-known that evidence is hardly neeed, but all you have to do is ask w/o PA's and youget, at least from me. I just posted a cite in the post above this before I read your PA's.

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Silly me, I actually look to data to see the progress of the country under various leadership; how inane.

Sure. Too bad you don't have a clue as to what any of it means.

Yea:

- GDP

- Market

- Unemp data

- Historical tax cut / increase data

See, you still can't show me a major federal tax cut taht has led to anything but disaster and supposedly I can't read and extrapolate data. Start your little proff session by doing just that, a MAJOR FEDERAL TAX CUT THAT LED TO + THINGS, other than + deficit and debt.

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You sound like a typical "dear-socialist-government-please-protect-us-from-ourselves" aircraft-control Brady type. The proud Texas redneck citizen would never beg the government to protect him from harm. The solution is there! If there was a single IRS employee in a parking lot with a Stinger this horrible crime would never happen! Think about it!

This case made it extremely clear that all citizens must have Constitutional rights to purchase and carry anti-aircraft missiles. After all, criminals can steal those anyway, so why law abiding citizens cannot buy one in Safeway? Sure, there will be some losers who would say it is not a good idea, and maybe some drunk idiot may bring down an airliner with those. They ignore the fact that doing so would be a crime, and since criminals do not obey laws anyway, this is a completely irrelevant point, and making more of them available would do no harm.

Nobody should restrict a responsible citizens' right to protect themselves and their loved ones from those stupid Al-Qaeda pilots and other nuts flying planes into buildings!

The cost of Stinger missiles is beyond the means of the average citizen. Only computer programers, lawyers and doctors could afford one. If aviation activities were restricted to key locations in the country then we could adequately monitor and regulate the safe use of aircraft. Mainly we could reduce the desire to use these dangerous vehicles for purposes other then what they were designed, primarily military applications and transportation. I know people who own aircraft for no other purpose but to brag about it. This waste of financial resources is unacceptable in our society at this level of social awareness and human need.

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Silly me, I actually look to data to see the progress of the country under various leadership; how inane.

Sure. Too bad you don't have a clue as to what any of it means.

Yea:

- GDP

- Market

- Unemp data

- Historical tax cut / increase data

See, you still can't show me a major federal tax cut taht has led to anything but disaster and supposedly I can't read and extrapolate data. Start your little proff session by doing just that, a MAJOR FEDERAL TAX CUT THAT LED TO + THINGS, other than + deficit and debt.

Hey, Dude, you're the one who thinks GDP is expressed in percentage.

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Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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MAJOR FEDERAL TAX CUT THAT LED TO + THINGS

A federal tax cut will increase tax revenue. That's what both Kennedy and Reagan did.

You're response to me will be something like this:
"The tax cuts only benefeited the rich corp-facist fatcats and did nothing for the poor."

I will pre-respond back:
Through increased personal income and spending, the added tax revenue is like the government getting a big raise. And it's more money to spend on the social programs that you like so much!

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Get ahold of yoruself and quit the PA's. .............
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You commit 2 PA's and tell me not to? Bizzare.

Some things in life are so obvious and well-known that evidence is hardly neeed, but all you have to do is ask w/o PA's and youget, at least from me. I just posted a cite in the post above this before I read your PA's.

Dude. Not all off-hand ad-hominems rise to the level of "Oooh!! That's a PA!! I'm telling Mom!!" You take this shit much too personally.

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Get ahold of yoruself and quit the PA's. .............
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You commit 2 PA's and tell me not to? Bizzare.

Some things in life are so obvious and well-known that evidence is hardly neeed, but all you have to do is ask w/o PA's and youget, at least from me. I just posted a cite in the post above this before I read your PA's.

Dude. Not all off-hand ad-hominems rise to the level of "Oooh!! That's a PA!! I'm telling Mom!!" You take this shit much too personally.

I will second that. Also, a PA to some (mods) is not a PA to the person it was directed at. For example, I am an ass. Always have been, always will be. I don't deny it.

HAMMER:
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Silly me, I actually look to data to see the progress of the country under various leadership; how inane.

Sure. Too bad you don't have a clue as to what any of it means.

Yea:

- GDP

- Market

- Unemp data

- Historical tax cut / increase data

See, you still can't show me a major federal tax cut taht has led to anything but disaster and supposedly I can't read and extrapolate data. Start your little proff session by doing just that, a MAJOR FEDERAL TAX CUT THAT LED TO + THINGS, other than + deficit and debt.

Hey, Dude, you're the one who thinks GDP is expressed in percentage.

Point out where I stated that. The change is %.

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MAJOR FEDERAL TAX CUT THAT LED TO + THINGS

A federal tax cut will increase tax revenue. That's what both Kennedy and Reagan did.

You're response to me will be something like this:
"The tax cuts only benefeited the rich corp-facist fatcats and did nothing for the poor."

I will pre-respond back:
Through increased personal income and spending, the added tax revenue is like the government getting a big raise. And it's more money to spend on the social programs that you like so much!

That's how it's drawn up, now show me application. You know the GM proving grounds, yea, figure it out. They design a car, produce it and see how it performs and what breaks. Kennedy wasn't here long enough to see how his policies worked and the top brkt was still > 70% so that argument only supports my position. Fascist Pig Ronnie cut the top rate from 70% to 28% abd we see what happened. Altho tax receipts were high, spending was higher and we see teh net result; HE TRIPLED THE FUCKING DEBT IN CASE YOU WEREN'T WATCHING. I realize you call that success, we just define that differently.

Clinton raised taxes and the deficit/debt were repaired, that's the outcome I call success, but I'm not from your parts.

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Dude. Not all off-hand ad-hominems rise to the level of "Oooh!! That's a PA!! I'm telling Mom!!" You take this shit much too personally

When you've been riding the wave of ecstasy, from the Hope and Change crowd, and have been doing a victory jig, pointing and laughing, for the last year, then, suddenly, the slats start getting getted out from underneath you, it's no fun, knowing, that soon, you'll be laying on the ground.

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Get ahold of yoruself and quit the PA's. .............
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You commit 2 PA's and tell me not to? Bizzare.

Some things in life are so obvious and well-known that evidence is hardly neeed, but all you have to do is ask w/o PA's and youget, at least from me. I just posted a cite in the post above this before I read your PA's.

Dude. Not all off-hand ad-hominems rise to the level of "Oooh!! That's a PA!! I'm telling Mom!!" You take this shit much too personally.

The thing is they try to pull me into their BS so I get nailed. I take teh high road and call it out and you think it's lame. I'd rather trade fuck you's, but that's not allowed here so I guess you think I'm the bad guy for playhing by the rules. Brilliant.

Saying:

- you'd come across as much less of a loony

- make you seem like less of a knee-jerker

Those are PA's, esp the former. I constantly try to take it to PM but guys like Belgian then get all offended and block, so they want to make a public spectacle. You don't have all the info in.

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Silly me, I actually look to data to see the progress of the country under various leadership; how inane.

Sure. Too bad you don't have a clue as to what any of it means.

Yea:

- GDP

- Market

- Unemp data

- Historical tax cut / increase data

See, you still can't show me a major federal tax cut taht has led to anything but disaster and supposedly I can't read and extrapolate data. Start your little proff session by doing just that, a MAJOR FEDERAL TAX CUT THAT LED TO + THINGS, other than + deficit and debt.

Hey, Dude, you're the one who thinks GDP is expressed in percentage.

Point out where I stated that. The change is %.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3788559#3788559
You not only stated (mulitiple times), but you used it as a thread title.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
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HE TRIPLED THE FUCKING DEBT IN CASE YOU WEREN'T WATCHING.

I was only about 2yrs old so no, I wasn't paying attention.

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Altho tax receipts were high, spending was higher and we see teh net result

You and I agree that tax recepits were high, and that's a positive result of tax cuts.

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I realize you call that success

Don't put words in my mouth

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You commit 2 PA's and tell me not to? Bizzare.

Some things in life are so obvious and well-known that evidence is hardly neeed, but all you have to do is ask w/o PA's and youget, at least from me. I just posted a cite in the post above this before I read your PA's.

look... i was trying to help you improve your argument. if you're going to fall back on your old style of crying "wah!! PA!!" then I'll just sit back, snicker quietly, and eat my popcorn.

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Ronnie cut the top rate from 70% to 28% abd we see what happened. Altho tax receipts were high, spending was higher

"cut the top rate" = "tax receipts were high"
"spending was higher"

you nailed both points - and still come up with the wrong answer

cut spending, reduce taxes - that's the only combination that works to balance a budget - unfortunately nobody in politics gets the 'cut spending' part of the equation


aside - ban aircraft - if we can save just one life....

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Ronnie cut the top rate from 70% to 28% abd we see what happened. Altho tax receipts were high, spending was higher

"cut the top rate" = "tax receipts were high"
"spending was higher"

you nailed both points - and still come up with the wrong answer

cut spending, reduce taxes - that's the only combination that works to balance a budget - unfortunately nobody in politics gets the 'cut spending' part of the equation


aside - ban aircraft - if we can save just one life....

Data suggest other bans should have priority if that's your goal. Toyotas, motorbikes, skydiving, 110volt power to homes, heating furnaces, sushi, ...

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read it, if I read it independently I'd have thought a few here could have written it

poor guy sounds like the worst of both extremes

1 - claims the government is overtaxing him and he resents it and wants his independence (bitches about code and crookedness, etc)

2 - he wants big business to take care of him forever yet resents the the profit motivation of business that doesn't enable, effortlessly, this nanny desire (cries about pensions, etc , etc, ad nauseum)

he's not a libertarian, he's not a liberal, he's not a conservative - best I can tell, he wants to be a facist of some kind - "WAAAAH, I want the government to let me be free and an 'individual', but if I fail, the company should change my diapers no matter what" - it's a zero win philosophy

with all his contradictions, no wonder he went off the edge

from what I can tell, he can give every single special political group some kind of hay to make

but in the end, he tried to burn his family and kill a bunch of other people too - so as an 'individual' he failed completely to do anything right - much like the rest of his life - he's pathetic

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The only problem with our current system is The People are frequently influenced in ways that makes them work against their own best interests. The People have given far too much power to the representatives who have been bought by corporate interests via lobbying groups. In other words, we've done this to ourselves.

Ah yes, the crux of O'Rourke's Parliament of Whores.

Turns out the public at large are the whores, willing to be bought for crumbs of material wealth.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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from what I can tell, he can give every single special political group some kind of hay to make

I know right! Having my own IRS grumps (they don't like me either) the letter grabbed my attention until he jumped right over the fence and started crying from the the other side. >> ??