kallend 2,106
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...explain to us in detail...
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Now this is interesting. I offered a brief explanation of some basic information and you're demanding details.
If I did attempt to provide more details it wouldn't be long before someone accused me of "prosyletizing." If you're really interested in learning more about the Bible there are several practical things you can do that would yield far greater understanding than whatever you'll glean from an internet forum. (These would include actually reading it, as well as talking with a pastor or two who have the knowledge & training to better answer your questions.)
But you have to be serious about wanting to learn. If you're approaching this discussion with an attitude of contention & debate it'll be a waste of time.
If you don't believe in God and take no interest in the Church, that's fine. But if you feel the need to offer rebuttal every time someone says something nice about the Bible you might want to examine your own attitude.
Cheers,
Jon
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Now this is interesting. I offered a brief explanation of some basic information and you're demanding details.
If I did attempt to provide more details it wouldn't be long before someone accused me of "prosyletizing." If you're really interested in learning more about the Bible there are several practical things you can do that would yield far greater understanding than whatever you'll glean from an internet forum. (These would include actually reading it, as well as talking with a pastor or two who have the knowledge & training to better answer your questions.)
But you have to be serious about wanting to learn. If you're approaching this discussion with an attitude of contention & debate it'll be a waste of time.
If you don't believe in God and take no interest in the Church, that's fine. But if you feel the need to offer rebuttal every time someone says something nice about the Bible you might want to examine your own attitude.
Cheers,
Jon
...Even if the bible says it's ok to smash infants heads on rocks, isolate menstrating women, and sell your daughter into slavery?...
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If you ever find a pastor or a church that teaches that it's okay to do these things, please report back to us. This will be news.
This thread was started because somebody thought a woman in California was claiming that God wants gays killed. Funny how many atheists here are disappointed to learn that this is incorrect, and how determined they are to reject any information that shows this is wrong.
Kinda like the reactions of people who have been preaching global warming, only to be told that it's a hoax and that there really is no climate "crisis." Instead of accepting this as good news, they become angry to learn that things aren't as bad as they had been led to believe.
Cheers,
Jon
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If you ever find a pastor or a church that teaches that it's okay to do these things, please report back to us. This will be news.
This thread was started because somebody thought a woman in California was claiming that God wants gays killed. Funny how many atheists here are disappointed to learn that this is incorrect, and how determined they are to reject any information that shows this is wrong.
Kinda like the reactions of people who have been preaching global warming, only to be told that it's a hoax and that there really is no climate "crisis." Instead of accepting this as good news, they become angry to learn that things aren't as bad as they had been led to believe.
Cheers,
Jon
pirana 0
QuoteLook at Speakers Corner. Your statement began, "If the religious would just STFU.."
You claim the religious are the instigators.
Yet look at all the atheists' posts in Speakers Corner.
My observation is that atheists do not sell or push atheism; but a lot of people are selling religion.
Never had anyone knock on my door to try to convince me to be atheist; but have had to endure an endless continuum of religion salespeople knocking on my door pushing their God.
For non-religious types, religion is a non-issue until a religious person tries to impose their will or beliefs. I don't see non-religious people pushing for people to be non-religious until they feel the need to defend themselves from a believer. Even when confronted with a believer's pitch, rather than argue against religion, they are more likely to say "keep it to yourself" than "you should switch sides."
It occurs to me that arguements for religion are mostly on offense, and the non-religious amongst us mostly are on defense - usually in reactionary mode.
Look at this beauty pageant scuttlebutt. No atheists came out declaring people must switch to atheism, or become gay, or eat meat during Lent; but we got a bimbette instigating debate by slamming specific lifestyles and quoting the Bible as evidence for her position. I doubt anybody would care at all what her beliefs are, but she had to come out with a statement insinuating people should behave in a certain manner for religious reasons.
It is a portion of the religious that can't live and let live.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
RackJR 0
QuoteThis thread was started because somebody thought a woman in California was claiming that God wants gays killed. Funny how many atheists here are disappointed to learn that this is incorrect, and how determined they are to reject any information that shows this is wrong.
the report wasn't that she was claiming that god wants gays killed. she said exactly what it says in leviticus. it's totally black and white. no ambiguity whatsoever. god says, gays must be killed.
maybe you remember a couple years back, in wyoming, a couple guys dragged a gay man (i believe a college student) behind their truck for a while, then tied him to a fence post, where he died. they targeted him because he was gay. churchgoers picketed his funeral with signs reading "matthew shepard burns in hell". one church group went so far as to apply for (was denied) permission to put up a bronze statue in cheyenne, near where he was killed, with a plaque reading "matthew sheperd entered hell oct 12, 1998 in defiance of gods warning" and then quoted leviticus.
if you're going to go so far as to say that we're angry because we've been shown that this law is incorrect, please cite the chapter and verse. don't give me a bunch of bullshit about a collective revelation that you had. i will call it bullshit because that's exactly what it sounds like if you respond that it's from years of study and meditation, and a deeply personal understanding of the gospel. leviticus spells out what needs to happen according to god in absolutely no uncertain terms. please tell me the chapter and verse where the new testament reverses that earlier position, in the same plain language that it used to invoke it.
maybe just stick to one topic as well, since global warming is a scientific fact (no surprise that scientific facts mean nothing to you).
and for those of you who are bitching that athiests are cramming their shit down your throats, or attacking the religious, let's try to pull our heads out of our asses. this f-in trollop just advocated the murder of 10% of our society. she should be jailed. if one person is killed, she should be tried for complicity. the religious should once again be embarrassed at the absolute backward ways you still cling to. but instead you're here playing possum. "poor us, look how these athiests keep attacking us". if you've had some sort of revelation that caught you up to the rest of us who KNOW homosexuality is not a crime or a moral wrong or anything else, then collectively you should be apologizing for this bible belt reject who's still living in the dark ages. which BTW are called the dark ages because the CHURCH ADVOCATED THIS KIND OF SHIT THEN TOO. there is absolutely nothing funny about this. think about your words more before you post them.
Say what you mean. Do what you say.
quade 4
QuoteYou can find support for anything you want in the bible if you look.
Except actual evidence of the existence of God.
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kallend 2,106
Quote...Even if the bible says it's ok to smash infants heads on rocks, isolate menstrating women, and sell your daughter into slavery?...
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If you ever find a pastor or a church that teaches that it's okay to do these things, please report back to us. This will be news.
Jon
Apparently you also can't figure out to whom you are replying. I didn't post that.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,106
Quote...explain to us in detail...
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Now this is interesting. I offered a brief explanation of some basic information and you're demanding details.
If I did attempt to provide more details it wouldn't be long before someone accused me of "prosyletizing." If you're really interested in learning more about the Bible there are several practical things you can do that would yield far greater understanding than whatever you'll glean from an internet forum. (These would include actually reading it, as well as talking with a pastor or two who have the knowledge & training to better answer your questions.)
But you have to be serious about wanting to learn. If you're approaching this discussion with an attitude of contention & debate it'll be a waste of time.
If you don't believe in God and take no interest in the Church, that's fine. But if you feel the need to offer rebuttal every time someone says something nice about the Bible you might want to examine your own attitude.
Cheers,
Jon
In other words, you have NO explanation for the abrupt about-face in the "divinely inspired" rules that happened 2000 years ago, and are just blowing hot air.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
jclalor 12
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Quote...Even if the bible says it's ok to smash infants heads on rocks, isolate menstrating women, and sell your daughter into slavery?...
That's just the point, why is it not being taught? After all, it is in the bible, you do believe the bible is the infallible word of God? Unlike most Christians, some of us atheist actually read all the fine print. Perhaps you can only handle the warm and fuzzy parts, but the fact is the bible is full of circles that can't be squared.
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kallend 2,106
QuoteQuoteQuote...Even if the bible says it's ok to smash infants heads on rocks, isolate menstrating women, and sell your daughter into slavery?...
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If you ever find a pastor or a church that teaches that it's okay to do these things, please report back to us. This will be news.
That's just the point, why is it not being taught? After all, it is in the bible, you do believe the bible is the infallible word of God? Unlike most Christians, some of us atheist actually read all the fine print. Perhaps you can only handle the warm and fuzzy parts, but the fact is the bible is full of circles that can't be squared.
Correct.
I had daily religious indoctrination at school, from age 5 until I was 18. We studied the bible in depth. I even believed it for some time, until I started to think seriously about it and realized what a load of BS we were being fed....
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
jclalor 12
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Quote...Even if the bible says it's ok to smash infants heads on rocks, isolate menstrating women, and sell your daughter into slavery?...
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I stand corrected, evidently selling your daughter into slavery is still legal in Nevada.
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Quotethis f-in trollop just advocated the murder of 10% of our society. she should be jailed. if one person is killed, she should be tried for complicity.
wow - I'm not a fan of her statement either, but I'm a bigger fan of avoiding knee jerk reactions to something someone just quotes - that, and speech
wow, thought police - cool
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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.QuoteThe Judeo-Christian tradition recognizes the Bible as inspired by God. Therefore, if the Bible says homosexuality is morally wrong, that means that God says it is, not some caveman. This is why the Bible is recognized as something of an authority on the subject
Even if the bible says it's ok to smash infants heads on rocks, isolate menstrating women, and sell your daughter into slavery?
The bible is an authority on what subject?
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Jon
Hey I am good with that result for Miss Beverly Hills Bimbo... she wants to live Old Testament... she needs to be sold off to a a swarth mediteranean nomadic goat herder.
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QuoteIf you ever find a pastor or a church that teaches that it's okay to do these things, please report back to us. This will be news.
as opposed to just Miss Beverly Hills wishing death on Gays?? Is there a difference?
not exact, but pretty friggin' close examples....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
http://www.examiner.com/x-10853-Portland-Humanist-Examiner~y2009m8d24-Christian-hate-Pastor-Steven-Anderson-prays-for-Obamas-death
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases
need I go further?
billvon 3,070
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>Those who do can recipirocate this respect by keeping their personal lives to themselves . . .
One sentence later:
>Many "wonderful people" also engage in immoral straight sex (I did once)
Perfect.
One sentence later:
>Many "wonderful people" also engage in immoral straight sex (I did once)
Perfect.
[Reply]Y'know I've never understood this hostility to "fundamentalism" The word simply means basic or essential. Would you fly with a pilot who did not respect the fundamentals of powered flight?
Cheers,
Jon
Cheers,
Jon
Here's the thing, I am willing to fly with someone who respects the "fundamentals" of powered flight, because the "fundmental" knowledge was learned via the scientific method. There is plenty of evidence that the physics that decribe how powered flight works has been studied well.
However, fundamentalism as it pertains to religion, is exactly the opposite. the scientific method is rejected and book of fables is instead the authority on natural law.
PhreePhly
Contradiction. You can find support for anything you want in the bible if you look.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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