Ron Paul: End the War in Afghanistan NOW

[Darius11 12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuCgC_Ntut0&playnext_from=TL&videos=qjcatlL-sg4&playnext=1


For anyone who is interested.

Its odd that some can deny the truth, but it seems we still have people who know the truth stands on its own no matter what you wish it was. What I don’t get is why do we only have one guy who seems to see it, and how we only have one guy who has not sold his soul and his oath.


Do you feel good about anyone in the goverment?

Other then Ron Paul I can't think of another, I like the president a bit as well, because he is intelligent and seems logical, but the jury is still out on him for me. Too soon.

Also do you agree or disagree with what Dr. Paul is saying?

I agree with him.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I can't watch YouTube videos here at work (it's blocked), so I will need to try and remember to login later from home if I want to watch this video. But Ron Paul often makes too much "common sense" for the people on the political left and political right to accept his ideas. So chances are very good that Mr Paul will be ignored ... again.

I wonder if Ron Paul would ever win a Nobel Peace prize?
Probably not since these days you must escalate a war in order to win the prize.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[kallend 2,027]

If I recall correctly, the Taliban, whom we fight in Afghanistan, are the lovely people who gave shelter and some of the training to the folks who killed more Americans (and many citizens of other nations) on 9/11/2001 than the Japanese did on 12/7/1941.

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[idrankwhat 0]

Ron Paul presents a great argument and I agree with pretty much all of it. I don't like the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq and if we would change our energy policy we probably wouldn't be stuck where we are. My problem with the current situation is that we're in them now and I'm not sure as to the best path to get out. There aren't any great solutions at this point. But Paul's right in his assertion that we're doing to ourselves precisely what our enemies have hoped.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

I just finished watching the video and Ron Paul just makes too much common sense. Democrats and Republicans do not like listening to common sense.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 2,991]

>What I don’t get is why do we only have one guy who seems to see it,
>and how we only have one guy who has not sold his soul and his oath.

I would love to see Ron Paul in the White House. There would be a lot of very sad Libertarians, because they'd realize pretty quickly that a) the president doesn't run the US government and b) Paul is intelligent enough that when given a choice between compromising and getting something done, and sticking inflexibly to his principles and getting nothing done, he will choose to get something done.

But it would be good to see someone outside the current two parties in a position of leadership, and it would be interesting to see what happens to the Libertarian party principles when they collide with the realities of having to execute on their philosophies.

[tumbler 0]

So Ron preaches isolationism... lets no longer be the policeman of the world. Are we safer now than we were 8 years ago? Someone has to be the stick, someone needs to care what happens outside our borders and take a stance, and actions when whatever happens is not to our liking.

I am a Ron Paul fan. We have spent far to much and gotten far to little back for the investment.. investment in money and blood. I guess I am of the opposite opinion of Ron. Send more troops to the war, Send every troop we have and end it now or fade into the abyss of history in a part time, half hearted war that some support, some dont and no one understands.

[redlegphi 0]

I can't watch the video so I'll just comment on the Afghan war in general. In my opinion, leaving there now would be making the same mistake as when we bailed on them following the Soviet war. The Afghan government is in no shape to hold territory against the Taliban in the long term. The civil war that would follow would re-devestate the Afghan nation, pushing millions of refugees back into camps in Pakistan and Iran, destroying infrastructure, allowing war lords to rise back to positions of prominence, and eventually leading to a resurgent Taliban-run state. That would be a disaster for pretty much everybody who isn't a militant fundamentalist.
So the question is "Can we achieve our goals in Afghanistan for a reasonable expenditure of manpower and wealth?" I think we can. It's taken us a while, but we've gotten pretty good out counter-insurgency over the past decade. We have the Afghan security forces headed in the right direction now and we're freeing up enough troops from Iraq to head to Afghanistan to retake and hold the ground until the Afghans are fully up to holding it on their own.
In short, I think our chances of meeting our goals are decent and I think the outcome of failure would have devestating long-term effects. So I'm gonna have to disagree with Ron Paul on this one.

[justinb138 0]

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So Ron preaches isolationism...

Non-interventionism. Two very different things.

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Are we safer now than we were 8 years ago?

No.

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Someone has to be the stick, someone needs to care what happens outside our borders and take a stance, and actions when whatever happens is not to our liking.

The "stick" tends to have lots of enemies. I'd rather it not be us. How about we fix stuff here before trying to fix stuff halfway around the world?

[Andy9o8 2]

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So Ron preaches isolationism... lets no longer be the policeman of the world. Are we safer now than we were 8 years ago? Someone has to be the stick, someone needs to care what happens outside our borders and take a stance, and actions when whatever happens is not to our liking.

I am a Ron Paul fan. We have spent far to much and gotten far to little back for the investment.. investment in money and blood. I guess I am of the opposite opinion of Ron. Send more troops to the war, Send every troop we have and end it now or fade into the abyss of history in a part time, half hearted war that some support, some dont and no one understands.

Historical note: neither Ron Paul's nor your feelings are recent to the American discourse. Isolationism was a powerful theme prior to US involvement in both WWI and WWII; and what you just said was a virtual word-for-word copy of a lot of sentiment in the US during the Vietnam war.

[kallend 2,027]

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So Ron preaches isolationism...

Non-interventionism. Two very different things.

Maybe we shouldn't have intervened in the Pacific after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

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[timmyfitz 0]

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So Ron preaches isolationism...

Non-interventionism. Two very different things.

Maybe we shouldn't have intervened in the Pacific after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Where do you come up with this crap?

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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Send more troops to the war, Send every troop we have and end it now or fade into the abyss of history in a part time, half hearted war that some support, some dont and no one understands.

Are you willing to contribute another 5 or 6 percent of your income to pay for it?

[kallend 2,027]

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So Ron preaches isolationism...

Non-interventionism. Two very different things.

Maybe we shouldn't have intervened in the Pacific after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Where do you come up with this crap?

Short memory you have. What was the reason we invaded Afghanistan to oust the Taliban?

Death toll Pearl Harbor: 2,350

Death toll 9/11: 2,974

Good afternoon. On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. These carefully targeted actions are designed to disrupt the use of Afghanistan as a terrorist base of operations, and to attack the military capability of the Taliban regime.

The battle is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and we will not fail. Peace and freedom will prevail.
: President George W. Bush, 10/7/2001

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So Ron preaches isolationism...

Non-interventionism. Two very different things.

Maybe we shouldn't have intervened in the Pacific after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Are you characterizing our response to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor as an intervention?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[diablopilot 2]

Ron Paul is my political hero right now. Unfortunately the media has little love for him so it's an uphill battle for the man....

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[diablopilot 2]

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>What I don’t get is why do we only have one guy who seems to see it,
>and how we only have one guy who has not sold his soul and his oath.

I would love to see Ron Paul in the White House. There would be a lot of very sad Libertarians, because they'd realize pretty quickly that a) the president doesn't run the US government and b) Paul is intelligent enough that when given a choice between compromising and getting something done, and sticking inflexibly to his principles and getting nothing done, he will choose to get something done.

But it would be good to see someone outside the current two parties in a position of leadership, and it would be interesting to see what happens to the Libertarian party principles when they collide with the realities of having to execute on their philosophies.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Ron Paul is my political hero right now. .

I just wish he'd stop cross-dressing. Creeps me out.

[kallend 2,027]

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So Ron preaches isolationism...

Non-interventionism. Two very different things.

Maybe we shouldn't have intervened in the Pacific after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Are you characterizing our response to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor as an intervention?

NO, and neither is our response in Afghanistan to 9/11 an intervention. I was responding to the previous poster.

Our invasion of Iraq was an intervention.

Ron Paul is wrong on Afghanistan.

One of the very few things GWB did that I agree with was to invade Afghanistan.

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[ryoder 1,590]

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Ron Paul is my political hero right now. .

I just wish he'd stop cross-dressing. Creeps me out.

Meh.
It works for Eddie Izzard, so why not Ron Paul?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[ryoder 1,590]

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Ron Paul is my political hero right now. Unfortunately the media has little love for him so it's an uphill battle for the man....

If the GOP collectively had half a brain they would realize their best hope for the future is to follow Ron Paul.
I'm not holding my breathe for that to happen.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,027]

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Ron Paul is my political hero right now. Unfortunately the media has little love for him so it's an uphill battle for the man....

If the GOP collectively had half a brain they would realize their best hope for the future is to follow Ron Paul.
I'm not holding my breathe for that to happen.

I dunno, they seem to be doing OK right now being the party of "NO", circulating viral emails, and doctoring videos.

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[rushmc 23]

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Ron Paul is my political hero right now. Unfortunately the media has little love for him so it's an uphill battle for the man....

If the GOP collectively had half a brain they would realize their best hope for the future is to follow Ron Paul.
I'm not holding my breathe for that to happen.

I dunno, they seem to be doing OK right now being the party of "NO", circulating viral emails, and doctoring videos.

I love this party of no shit

Fact is not one republican vote is need to pass HC right now. and until the Mass vote that was true of any and all bills

So, who is stopping who?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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Fact is not one republican vote is need to pass HC right now. and until the Mass vote that was true of any and all bills

So, who is stopping who?

err, the GOP has vowed to take every procedural step they have available to stave off the reconciliation approach that would sidestep the fillibuster that would come in the usual Senate path.

[jimmytavino 16]

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So Ron preaches isolationism...

Non-interventionism. Two very different things.

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Are we safer now than we were 8 years ago?

No.

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Someone has to be the stick, someone needs to care what happens outside our borders and take a stance, and actions when whatever happens is not to our liking.

The "stick" tends to have lots of enemies. I'd rather it not be us. How about we fix stuff here before trying to fix stuff halfway around the world?

re: stick... " speak softly but carry a big stick"... was that FDR??
anyway
i used to think ,back when all this began that our Govt. had identified a global "hornets nest". I mean it smacked us right in the Face in NYC....But Running over There and Hitting IT with a stick.. was the altogether wrong thing to do.. imho that got a lot of the colony 'excited'...and here we are almost 10 years later...

To suggest that 'someone' has to Take a Stance and Take Action,,, when whatever happens, is Not to OUR ?? Liking is off base...
The fact is... if that stuff is happening in some other country, it's none of our G D business.... [/:|] at least not to the point of ANY involvement...and certainly not military action...
They are foreign countres...They can basically do whatever the hell they Want, if you want to be technical about it...

We need to stay tuned in to what occurs in the world. but we should limit our influence in every damn thing....
Sure.. monitor dangerous situations, create DEFENSES, use Special Forces and insertion teams to accomplish critical target objectives...against this declared enemy... But Try to do it without Tens of Thousands of Our young men and women,,,, who become targets themselves, having to drive and walk all around in a hostile ( and explosives happy ) place...
Why not prepare the 'home turf" if you will...to foil future attacks... keep troops in OUR country, Really crack down on people entering and exiting the country.. make friends not enemies..
I like the idea of fixing things Here...

Ron Paul could be the voice of common sense that was lacking in the white house from 2000 til 2008. Instead,thanks to ambition, foolishness, vengeance, a militaristic V.P. a maleable president, a sons wish to vindicate himself in the eyes of his father. things went astray.. Iraq and S Hussein created a Huge distraction from the intended targets of Al-Queda and the Taliban,,, who mostly just "happened to BE in Afghanistan.... Now that we have chased them into Pakistan.. let's DO get the hell out of there...
I'll be listening more, to what Ron Paul has to say. i was listening to him before the LAST election,, apparently not enough Other people , were doing the same.


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