RonD1120 62 #26 March 23, 2010 Quote what we got was proof that our government does whatever they want, with total disregard of what the people want. Focus here: http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #27 March 23, 2010 These guys lost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13TQow6zJsQ Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bluesilver30 0 #28 March 23, 2010 Quote so using this argument, then the government should also stop funding the military and every other program that it touches, given that everything it touches 'balloons out of control' I am all for it, lets cut out the military! Let's just say the military, while effective from shear force, isn't as efficient as a private company worried about stock returns... The military too is a business, but its end goal is not to make money. It's to accomplish military objectives. A government run health care system that is concerned with the well being of US citizens; not with keeping a balanced budget sheet, also has the potential of becoming very expensive. This is a realistic concern from the way money is handeled in the military in my experience. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 March 23, 2010 Get ready for the "BMI tax" the "smoker's tax" (POTUS excluded, of course), the "(lack of) exercise tax", the "you didn't get your yearly checkup" tax...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #30 March 23, 2010 Quote Quote Just ignore this too, as I know you will, but what would the popular vote have been just pre-Emancipation Proclaimation? At least that one, while it didn't do what most think it did, didn't mortgage the future. And it would have probably had a majority in what was then the USA albeit not a huge one. It did keep Europe from extending the Civil War-which was a good thing. Ya didn't really answer the queston, just a comment on a different one. What would the popular vote have been about slavery's extermination? Right, most would have voted it down, but don't let me stop you from making up your own questions. As for mortgage the future, the Ira/AFG War has cost > 1T in 7 years, I don't hear the rambling rhetoric about mortgaging the furure. Hell, your heroes 8 years took a real good economy and ran it 5 fucking trillion bucks while running it into the ground, but I don't hear ya running on about that either. I guess when ya selectively choose your arguments and select the things that cost too much you can enjoy whatever fantasy you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #31 March 23, 2010 I'll try to type slower so you can keep up but I did answer the question-I just also observed that it wasn't a particularly valid analogy other than it was another bit of legalese that did no real good. Not to wander too far from the subject, which is this cluster fuck of a bill that will be revealing it's hidden costs for years to come-I didn't/don't really agree with the way the recent conflicts have been managed. I'm all for less World Savior and more Raw Imperialism. Use the resources of conquered territories to offset expenses. Thanks for your time and you now have my permission to go back to your fantasy world where you can lay all of your difficulties at the clay feet of your leaders and sleep peacefully nestled in the warmth of no personal accountability.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #32 March 23, 2010 Quote I'll try to type slower so you can keep up... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 March 23, 2010 Quote Quote I'll try to type slower so you can keep up... Tried that already...doesn't work.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 March 23, 2010 Quote Let's just say the military, while effective from shear force, guns and missiles and tanks don't kill people - scissors kill people ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 March 23, 2010 Quote Quote Let's just say the military, while effective from shear force, guns and missiles and tanks don't kill people - scissors kill people Set that down, kid - you'll put someone's eye out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #36 March 23, 2010 Already have all those 'taxes. Life insurance companies refuse you (and health insurance companies raise rates or deny you) based on BMI Smokers pay taxes through purchase of cigarettes I was tagged on a health insurance application for not being a member of a gym, AND for not following up on a doctors appointment that had been scheduled. THey flatly refused the policy until those issues were resolved. After 3 months of back and forth, in the end, they flatly refused the policy due to the way I make my living. (Humana) So all the things you 'cannot wait for' are already happening to many of us out here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #37 March 23, 2010 Quote Without googling or linking to a bunch of non-sense...tell me what we just got. In your own words please. Difficult to say without either reading the entire thing or finding a source for a good non-biased summary. It appears that in some respects we got some moves in the right direction. Having intimate knowledge of only MN, USA; many of the "highlights" I've read about are largely redundant. (In MN you most definitely can not be cancelled for filing claims, can not be rated up individually for filing claims, can not have claims denied for pre-x as long as you maintain continuous coverage, etc). So extending the sensible rules some (maybe most) states already have in place is very good. Way short of comprehensive federal regulation, but I suppose you gotta start somewhere. Eventual removal of lifetime maximums is also very good. I read some stuff on strict out-of-pockt annual maximums, but it appears they've put some convoluted rules in place related to copays, coinsurace, drugs, etc. Should have been kept simple but they probably bowed to special interest pressure. I've not heard of anything sigificant being done for actual cost of care. If all they are doing is extending the current practice & pricing model to the whole population; then hang on to your wallets. Instead of reducing the role of the employer, they added more rules - so a big failure there. It was to be expected given the reluctance of large employers to get out of the insurace business. Employers have no role to play in this game. Personal opinion only, penalties on the individual level is total BS." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 March 23, 2010 Quote Already have all those 'taxes. Life insurance companies refuse you (and health insurance companies raise rates or deny you) based on BMI Smokers pay taxes through purchase of cigarettes I was tagged on a health insurance application for not being a member of a gym, AND for not following up on a doctors appointment that had been scheduled. THey flatly refused the policy until those issues were resolved. After 3 months of back and forth, in the end, they flatly refused the policy due to the way I make my living. (Humana) So all the things you 'cannot wait for' are already happening to many of us out here. Great - you're already used to the fucking you'll be paying even more for, so the Fed doesn't even need to buy lube.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 March 23, 2010 Quote Get ready for the "BMI tax" the "smoker's tax" (POTUS excluded, of course), the "(lack of) exercise tax", the "you didn't get your yearly checkup" tax... Given a choice of payroll taxes or taxes like this...I'd probably have to side with the latter. Better behavior by americans will save more than this legislation will. But the BMI criteria would have to be athlete friendly. And skydivers better look out for the 'stupid risk taking' tax that's inevitable for us and other outdoor types. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #40 March 23, 2010 if my taxes are going to subsidize health insurance for anyone, I want them to take care of themselves. However, enacting something like this would be responded to with comparisons to literacy tests and poll taxes. The difference is that this would be a good thing.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
