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QuoteQuoteQuoteSo bec you post an opinion piece that states when people cpmpare someone to Hitler they are doing A,B,or C that has to be totally right..... right
Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not?QuoteThere cannot be a D or even a .... *gasp*.... K
There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument.QuotePeople are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on.
So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here.
The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap.QuoteI'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles.QuoteRead my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.
It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making.
Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding.
I'm done with this.... you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... reason escapes you... you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Recurring theme here: Stock market will bust - it doesn't - do run do run, run, run, run.
>>>>>>>>you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k......
I see, if I'm wrong about docs/RN's salaries then Obama must be like Hitler
.
>>>>>>>>reason escapes you...
And me allegedly being wong about Doc's/RN's salaries, therefore Obama being like Hitler is reasonable? See, your ridiculous stock market prediction doesn't make GWB metaphorically like Hitler, GWB's acts make him metaphorically like Hitler. Try not to confuse the two concepts.
>>>>>>>you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology.
Not under the gasp of, "Ah, come on, just believe me." I posted an argument, supported it with historical ref and you have yet to refute that ref citation or the data within, just, "Come on, give me a Mulligan on this one."
>>>>>>>>>>>You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Claims in this thread or are you convoluting? I haven't been called on any statements here, if you have a claim in another thread, make it there, but it is a lie for you to claim that I have refused to address a claim here.
Now run along.
Lucky... 0
Quote[replyThe best way to exemplify your opposition to health care is to throw bricks through your representatives' office windows. And throw in some threatening phone calls as well. That will certainly get the point across.
At least that's what a handful of dissenting Americans think. For a country whose citizens view themselves as highly civilized, acts like these certainly scream low class.
Well, it certainly wasn't a problem when the liberals did itover the last 8 years, judging by reporting.
So you're not disputing the pathetic tactics of the right then, ok.
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Did you bother to even look at the link? The left is doing a better job of looking like the victim is all.
We all need to stop believing what the mainstream media is feeding us right now. It's bullshit on both sides and you and I are the targets.
We all need to stop believing what the mainstream media is feeding us right now. It's bullshit on both sides and you and I are the targets.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteThe best way to exemplify your opposition to health care is to throw bricks through your representatives' office windows. And throw in some threatening phone calls as well. That will certainly get the point across.
At least that's what a handful of dissenting Americans think. For a country whose citizens view themselves as highly civilized, acts like these certainly scream low class.
Well, it certainly wasn't a problem when the liberals did it over the last 8 years, judging by reporting.
So you're not disputing the pathetic tactics of the right then, ok.
If if wasn't some sort of false flag thing like so many OTHER complaints from the libs have been, then it looks like they've learned well from the last 8 years of liberal examples.
Of course, the difference is in the coverage now vs. the crickets then, during the Bush years.
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QuoteDid you bother to even look at the link? The left is doing a better job of looking like the victim is all.
We all need to stop believing what the mainstream media is feeding us right now. It's bullshit on both sides and you and I are the targets.
This thread has been argued at a few merit points, mine is basically that of one poster suggesting 2 of the 4 were correct, the one I really have an issue with is the comparison to Hitler. I don't care if people think he is, but as a substantive measure, the connection is unsubstantiable.
So it sounds as if you're being more macrostructural, make you point.
One thing I see a lot from which ever side is at fault is this concept where, "It's bullshit on both sides and you and I are the targets." The faulted side seems to try to pull everyone in as all 'shit just happens.' The side that is not largely at fault and can support this thru data tends to try to keep seperation. KInda like the guy who fucks everythign up at work, he tries to incorporate everyone into it.
No sarcasm - but the R's have really set this country backwards since Reagan. The 2 Dems have gone fwd, Obama's performance is yet to be fully seen. Hey, it is what it is, not trying to change your ideology, just pointing out what is factual.
As for metaphorical reference, who cares? I would say Reagan is a Fascist, absent the totalitarianism, GWB is Hitler and Clinton/Obama Carl Marx. That's fair and honest, obviously exaggerative, but as a fun metaphore, it's accurate.
QuoteOf course, the difference is in the coverage now vs. the crickets then, during the Bush years.
crickets?
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Lucky... 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe best way to exemplify your opposition to health care is to throw bricks through your representatives' office windows. And throw in some threatening phone calls as well. That will certainly get the point across.
At least that's what a handful of dissenting Americans think. For a country whose citizens view themselves as highly civilized, acts like these certainly scream low class.
Well, it certainly wasn't a problem when the liberals did it over the last 8 years, judging by reporting.
So you're not disputing the pathetic tactics of the right then, ok.
If if wasn't some sort of false flag thing like so many OTHER complaints from the libs have been, then it looks like they've learned well from the last 8 years of liberal examples.
Of course, the difference is in the coverage now vs. the crickets then, during the Bush years.
And here I thought we were discussing the RW tactics of brick-thru-window tossing. Hmmm, ok, I guess no comment on that or is it that the Dems are so awefuk that they deserve it? Now that makes more sense.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo bec you post an opinion piece that states when people cpmpare someone to Hitler they are doing A,B,or C that has to be totally right..... right
Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not?QuoteThere cannot be a D or even a .... *gasp*.... K
There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument.QuotePeople are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on.
So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here.
The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap.QuoteI'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles.QuoteRead my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.
It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making.
Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding.
I'm done with this.... you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... reason escapes you... you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Recurring theme here: Stock market will bust - it doesn't - do run do run, run, run, run.
>>>>>>>>you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k......
I see, if I'm wrong about docs/RN's salaries then Obama must be like Hitler
>>>>>>>>reason escapes you...
And me allegedly being wong about Doc's/RN's salaries, therefore Obama being like Hitler is reasonable? See, your ridiculous stock market prediction doesn't make GWB metaphorically like Hitler, GWB's acts make him metaphorically like Hitler. Try not to confuse the two concepts.
>>>>>>>you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology.
Not under the gasp of, "Ah, come on, just believe me." I posted an argument, supported it with historical ref and you have yet to refute that ref citation or the data within, just, "Come on, give me a Mulligan on this one."
>>>>>>>>>>>You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Claims in this thread or are you convoluting? I haven't been called on any statements here, if you have a claim in another thread, make it there, but it is a lie for you to claim that I have refused to address a claim here.
Now run along.
I never said Obama was Hitler and actually stated that you just make up your own BS and represent it as fact... this is another case in point just like you did when you continhue to say I think the market is going to crash tomorrow or yesterday or whatever crap you write. The truth is that I gave several examples as to why I do not think the market can hold its current path and I still stand by that.... but do what you do and twist it then write it then hit repeat and maybe distort some words over and over like "rePUBlicans" and go on thinking you're clever... you are not.
Once again truth escapes you..... I just pointed it out AGAIN and you hate it! You still cannot say you were worng about the salraies of nurses and doctors. There is NO "allegedly" to it. You are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
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QuoteYou are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
what has this got to do with 'the right wing is losing it'
(what do you mean by lucky isn't clever)
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QuoteQuoteYou are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
what has this got to do with 'the right wing is losing it'
(what do you mean by lucky isn't clever)
Exactly, he's gasping for air in this thread so he's trying to say that since I was allegeldy wrong about Doc/RN pay (the thread hasn'tbeen addressed by me yet) that Obama must be a Nazi. Really bizzare.
QuoteQuoteYou are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
what has this got to do with 'the right wing is losing it'
(what do you mean by lucky isn't clever)
We have personal beef and he knows what I am talking about.... sorry its on the board for all to see but I got sick of his PM's so I blocked him.
Perhaps it does have something to do with the post though because I am conservative and the logic or examples Lucky uses drives me nuts.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo bec you post an opinion piece that states when people cpmpare someone to Hitler they are doing A,B,or C that has to be totally right..... right
Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not?QuoteThere cannot be a D or even a .... *gasp*.... K
There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument.QuotePeople are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on.
So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here.
The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap.QuoteI'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles.QuoteRead my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.
It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making.
Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding.
I'm done with this.... you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... reason escapes you... you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Recurring theme here: Stock market will bust - it doesn't - do run do run, run, run, run.
>>>>>>>>you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k......
I see, if I'm wrong about docs/RN's salaries then Obama must be like Hitler
>>>>>>>>reason escapes you...
And me allegedly being wong about Doc's/RN's salaries, therefore Obama being like Hitler is reasonable? See, your ridiculous stock market prediction doesn't make GWB metaphorically like Hitler, GWB's acts make him metaphorically like Hitler. Try not to confuse the two concepts.
>>>>>>>you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology.
Not under the gasp of, "Ah, come on, just believe me." I posted an argument, supported it with historical ref and you have yet to refute that ref citation or the data within, just, "Come on, give me a Mulligan on this one."
>>>>>>>>>>>You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Claims in this thread or are you convoluting? I haven't been called on any statements here, if you have a claim in another thread, make it there, but it is a lie for you to claim that I have refused to address a claim here.
Now run along.
I never said Obama was Hitler and actually stated that you just make up your own BS and represent it as fact... this is another case in point just like you did when you continhue to say I think the market is going to crash tomorrow or yesterday or whatever crap you write. The truth is that I gave several examples as to why I do not think the market can hold its current path and I still stand by that.... but do what you do and twist it then write it then hit repeat and maybe distort some words over and over like "rePUBlicans" and go on thinking you're clever... you are not.
Once again truth escapes you..... I just pointed it out AGAIN and you hate it! You still cannot say you were worng about the salraies of nurses and doctors. There is NO "allegedly" to it. You are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
>>>>>>>>>I never said Obama was Hitler...
No, you wrote: People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on. I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
That's what you wrote and yet to support it. See, what you have to do is to post some supporting data about the Nazis did X and so does Obama/libs. Not real hard and make it mainstream stuff, not obscure things. In general, what did Hitler stand for? What does Obama stand for? How do they get to that point? You can try to say that Obama is the American billionaires' Hitler, in that he will try to redistribute their welath, but that is VERY abstract and indirect. When we think Hitler, we think concentration camps, invading countries, anhilating people, esp Jews, mass control and horrible times. Whnewe think Obama we think quasi-Socialism, HC, higher taxes, labor unions, etc. Just can't see a metaphorical connection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>...and actually stated that you just make up your own BS and represent it as fact...
Ok, stop holding your breath and show me an example of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is another case in point just like you did when you continhue to say I think the market is going to crash tomorrow or yesterday or whatever crap you write. The truth is that I gave several examples as to why I do not think the market can hold its current path and I still stand by that....
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3715163;search_string=stock%20market;#3715163
This market could easily give up everything its gained in no time and no I'm not talking daily gains Im talking about going back to 6000-7000.
I hope you're not giving this advice out to paying customers. I work for one of the biggest investment research firms in the country and all we do is study the market and you are trying to give me a lesson in what I do or do not have to look at? That was Oct 30 of last year, so 5 months ago and the market has been reamrkably stable and shown real growth.
I KNOW WAY MORE THAN YOU DO!
>>>>>>>but do what you do and twist it then write it then hit repeat and maybe distort some words over and over like "rePUBlicans" and go on thinking you're clever... you are not.
I've never written that, that's Amazon; get your posters straight.
>>>>>>>>>>Once again truth escapes you..... I just pointed it out AGAIN and you hate it! You still cannot say you were worng about the salraies of nurses and doctors. There is NO "allegedly" to it. You are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/...ed_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/...edical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
I have known RN's DIRECTLY out of nursing school to make 100k and more, notice how Billvon didn;'t touch that one but disagreed with the doctor salary? Now the RN's are pool or registry, so that means they are contract in a sense with no HC or other benefits, bit 50 Hr was typical at the peak, now down a hair probably. Your data won't show that because if you go direct for a hospital you would make that + benefits, but I knew many nurses in teh 80's and most said fuck that, show me the money. As for docs, I would say that out of med school before internship, yea, they make shit, but after intern they make the 150-200k, I stand by that but agree that before internship they don't make shit.
Now, we've dealt withthese issues, quit running and threatening you're done, just address what you wrote:
People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on. I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteYou are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
what has this got to do with 'the right wing is losing it'
(what do you mean by lucky isn't clever)
We have personal beef and he knows what I am talking about.... sorry its on the board for all to see but I got sick of his PM's so I blocked him.
Perhaps it does have something to do with the post though because I am conservative and the logic or examples Lucky uses drives me nuts.
You can't answer dreamdancer straight either.
PM's blocked: I sent two very descent/non-defamatory PM's - posted em before and will do again if ya wish - then you got tired of not being able to address the issue and blocked.
>>>>>>>>>Perhaps it does have something to do with the post though because I am conservative and the logic or examples Lucky uses drives me nuts.
HUH?
OK, now back to the point, can you address what you wrote about Obama, Socialism and Hitler/Naziism? Or are you done, again?
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QuoteQuoteHe is doing many of the things Hitler is.
What "is" Hitler doing?
I find it funny that I get to call you a grammar nazi in reference to a sentence containing "Hitler".
***
When people refer to Hitler, it's more of a metaphor-example that describes Naziism, Fascism and totalitarianism. What Hitler did in that context was:
If you're going to qualify it, that's different. This was not a qualified poll question.
Hitler increased volunteerism and community programs to help people in a bad economy. He grew a group of youth that helped communities in various ways. He was a young charismatic leader who brought the country together to pull it out of an economic pit of despair. Then he split the country as he got greedy and spiteful. Did all the evil things you mentioned, and then more.
I did not say Hitler was not evil. I did not say Obama was evil. I simply stated that Obama is doing (has programs similar to) some things that are similar to what Hitler did some 70 years ago.
And no, I have no references. This is all based off of library research I did in high school almost 30 years ago.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteOK, in typical Rush fashion you cut-n-paste, now teh tough part: ACTUALLY USE YOUR SEEMINGLY LEGITIMATE REFERENCE TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT.
This is where you have to take passages from that article and I guess draw a conection between Hitler's agenda and Obama's. Don't be abstract, just make an argument.
Dude
I didnt draw any conclusions but you made some major fucked up assumptions
sheesash
You posted that cut-n-paste as a counter to me saying it is ridiculous to tie togther Obama and Naziism. Example:
Some of the actions in Germany can be seen in both parting here in the US today however, there are some unique to each party
Again, MAKE AN ARGUMENT.
I did
And you re-posted it
and you made a fucked up assumption
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteAgain, MAKE AN ARGUMENT.
I did
And you re-posted it
and you made a fucked up assumption
i see no arguement from you
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rhaig 0
Quote>are you asserting that ALL of those are not correct?
Yes. He is not a socialist, any more than Bush was a fascist.
He is as much of a socialist as Bush was a fascist. I'll go with that.Quote
Indeed, people just use those terms because they are insulting and inflammatory.
"Ignorance" is a term that people believe is insulting and inflammatory, but it's true meaning is simply "lacking knowledge" You slapped me down for using that word, and it's specifically called out in this board's policies (incorrectly I believe) based on it's popular use meaning "stupid". That doesn't mean that this word means "stupid". Nor should fascist or socialist be insulting and inflammatory words.Quote
He was born in the US; that has been proven.
stipulated if you read my postQuoteHe did not do many of the things that Hitler did unless you do the reductio ad absurdum thing and claim that "well, they were both leaders, and they both had hair, and they were both inspiring speakers."
did you really just learn about Hitler in the movies? You're an intelligent man, I'm surprised.Quote
But it sure makes a great sound bite.
It's encouraging to see that the higher the level of education, the less such things are believed.
I learned about Hitler from my high school library.
***But it's also worrisome that so many people believe such crap; it bodes poorly for our future as a democracy. At best one might think that many of the responders are lying, and just wanted to make their hatred for Obama clear to the pollster.
It worries me that Obama is being followed so blindly by some that they'll refute any perceived insults without acknowledging any shortcomings.
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QuoteIt worries me that Obama is being followed so blindly by some that they'll refute any perceived insults without acknowledging any shortcomings.
He has Dumbo ears.
airdvr 210
QuoteHe has Dumbo ears.
You shouldn't talk about rhaig like that
Please don't dent the planet.
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kallend 2,108
Quote>I think I'd like to see how the last two questions were phrased.
"On another subject, here are some things people have said about President Obama. Please indicate for each whether you
believe it is true or false."
"He is a socialist
He was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president
He is doing many of the things that Hitler did
He may be the Anti-Christ"
Another interesting result:
"These replies are also strongly correlated with education. The less education people have had the more likely they are to believe all of these statements."
One reason, perhaps, that some republicans are anti-education; it costs them votes.
It was also determined that the more people listen to radio and TV talk shows, the more likely they are to hold views on current affairs contrary to the facts.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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QuoteQuote
Recent Harris poll of Republicans:
67% think he's a socialist
45% think he was not born in the US
38% think he is doing "many things Hitler did"
24% think Obama may literally be the Antichrist
Maybe more intelligent debate and less crazy might sell a little better.
are you asserting that ALL of those are not correct?
I'd say 2 of 4.
We've already discussed many times some of the socalist parts of his agenda.
Last time I brought up the things he had in common with Hitler I was basically told "yeah, so what. STFU"
He is doing many of the things Hitler is. And anyone who voted for him should not dispute that (with some qualifications). You're better educated than to just think all Hitler did was the bad things.
Yes, I've heard that Hitler was kind to dogs. He also introduced a a very early recycling scheme..... gold from teeth, glasses, shoes, etc.
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QuoteQuote>I think I'd like to see how the last two questions were phrased.
"On another subject, here are some things people have said about President Obama. Please indicate for each whether you
believe it is true or false."
"He is a socialist
He was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president
He is doing many of the things that Hitler did
He may be the Anti-Christ"
Another interesting result:
"These replies are also strongly correlated with education. The less education people have had the more likely they are to believe all of these statements."
One reason, perhaps, that some republicans are anti-education; it costs them votes.
It was also determined that the more people listen to radio and TV talk shows, the more likely they are to hold views on current affairs contrary to the facts.
You are wrong. I understand that you don't accept that, because you want to interpret the questions and the answers as fits your lib template. I remember the survey to which I believe you refer. It was complete bullshit designed and interpreted by those that made it to achieve a desired result. Libs were blind to the bias, conservatives saw through it easily. No surprise that you want to fall back on your belief that conservative media, there are other studies that tell a very different story about lib media lies and their uncanny ability to not be fair and balanced.
Fox News Rocks! The National Review and Weekly Standard kick ass! Rush is a very astute political observer, even if he does put his foot in his mouth regularly.
I also listen to NPR, BBC radio, and watch PBS and other lib media sources regularly. They are very smooth at inserting their bias, selectively leaving out information and such. Can you say that you check out conservative media, or is there no need because you already have your mind made up about them? No matter, liberal media sources are failing in the marketplace. I understand that it is very troubling.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo bec you post an opinion piece that states when people cpmpare someone to Hitler they are doing A,B,or C that has to be totally right..... right
Opinion piece? I can post more reference that Hitler did exactly what the articel states if you are calling foul on that. You don't qquite say that but feeel compelled to add something, I guess. So, do you dispute my source and data or not?QuoteThere cannot be a D or even a .... *gasp*.... K
There can be whatever ya want, but at least do something rather than talk around the argument.QuotePeople are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on.
So just take it as judicial notice? Are you a judge now too, as well as a stock market expert? With our resident trailer assembler turned FAA DER Belgian we have quite a variety of experts here.
The idea here now is to not just rely on your divine words, but let's here your argument how Hitler was like Obama is. Show exampels as well as whatever terminology, ideology, etc. Rememebr, many of these ideologies change over time, for example, the Republicans used to be teh liberals, the Dems the conservatives, so don't get stuck in a timewarp trap.QuoteI'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
I'm all ears, apparently unless I just agree with you then I'm wrong. See, this is your golden shining moment; MAKE A FUCKING ARGUMENT. Also, it's so much more fun if you cite example sas well as any fancy titles.QuoteRead my comment.... that is what you are doing. You are making the statment that Obama is not doing things that Hitler did or that he does not believe in things Hitler did because Obama doesn't want to throw people in camps. I'd say that's a pretty big cut and paste.
It comprised about 30% of my post rather than 90%+ in your post. It almost teters on plagiarism to post a 1 sentence and 4 large paragraphs of cut-n-paste. Of course you aren't claiming the ideas as yoru own, so it's not actual plagiarism, it's just poor argument making.
Either reject my argument via some counter-arg of your own, create a different arg, or just keep avoiding.
I'm done with this.... you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k...... reason escapes you... you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology. You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Recurring theme here: Stock market will bust - it doesn't - do run do run, run, run, run.
>>>>>>>>you are the same person that thinks RN's make 100k out of school and Doctors make 200k......
I see, if I'm wrong about docs/RN's salaries then Obama must be like Hitler
>>>>>>>>reason escapes you...
And me allegedly being wong about Doc's/RN's salaries, therefore Obama being like Hitler is reasonable? See, your ridiculous stock market prediction doesn't make GWB metaphorically like Hitler, GWB's acts make him metaphorically like Hitler. Try not to confuse the two concepts.
>>>>>>>you simply have an opinion for anything and everything and have no room in your brain for any type of concessions to your way left ideaology.
Not under the gasp of, "Ah, come on, just believe me." I posted an argument, supported it with historical ref and you have yet to refute that ref citation or the data within, just, "Come on, give me a Mulligan on this one."
>>>>>>>>>>>You even make up statements to support your claims and when called out on them say nothing. What a joke.
Claims in this thread or are you convoluting? I haven't been called on any statements here, if you have a claim in another thread, make it there, but it is a lie for you to claim that I have refused to address a claim here.
Now run along.
I never said Obama was Hitler and actually stated that you just make up your own BS and represent it as fact... this is another case in point just like you did when you continhue to say I think the market is going to crash tomorrow or yesterday or whatever crap you write. The truth is that I gave several examples as to why I do not think the market can hold its current path and I still stand by that.... but do what you do and twist it then write it then hit repeat and maybe distort some words over and over like "rePUBlicans" and go on thinking you're clever... you are not.
Once again truth escapes you..... I just pointed it out AGAIN and you hate it! You still cannot say you were worng about the salraies of nurses and doctors. There is NO "allegedly" to it. You are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/School=Stanford_Medical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
>>>>>>>>>I never said Obama was Hitler...
No, you wrote: People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on. I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
That's what you wrote and yet to support it. See, what you have to do is to post some supporting data about the Nazis did X and so does Obama/libs. Not real hard and make it mainstream stuff, not obscure things. In general, what did Hitler stand for? What does Obama stand for? How do they get to that point? You can try to say that Obama is the American billionaires' Hitler, in that he will try to redistribute their welath, but that is VERY abstract and indirect. When we think Hitler, we think concentration camps, invading countries, anhilating people, esp Jews, mass control and horrible times. Whnewe think Obama we think quasi-Socialism, HC, higher taxes, labor unions, etc. Just can't see a metaphorical connection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>...and actually stated that you just make up your own BS and represent it as fact...
Ok, stop holding your breath and show me an example of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is another case in point just like you did when you continhue to say I think the market is going to crash tomorrow or yesterday or whatever crap you write. The truth is that I gave several examples as to why I do not think the market can hold its current path and I still stand by that....
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3715163;search_string=stock%20market;#3715163
This market could easily give up everything its gained in no time and no I'm not talking daily gains Im talking about going back to 6000-7000.
------------> and i still stand by that where exactly in that statement have i said the things you claimed i did..... oh thats right you cant find it. Do you understnd the words "could"? By the way it still "could".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/could
I hope you're not giving this advice out to paying customers. I work for one of the biggest investment research firms in the country and all we do is study the market and you are trying to give me a lesson in what I do or do not have to look at? That was Oct 30 of last year, so 5 months ago and the market has been reamrkably stable and shown real growth.
I KNOW WAY MORE THAN YOU DO!
Yup I do in regards to the market!
>>>>>>>but do what you do and twist it then write it then hit repeat and maybe distort some words over and over like "rePUBlicans" and go on thinking you're clever... you are not.
I've never written that, that's Amazon; get your posters straight.
>>>>>>>>>>Once again truth escapes you..... I just pointed it out AGAIN and you hate it! You still cannot say you were worng about the salraies of nurses and doctors. There is NO "allegedly" to it. You are not clever Lucky..... sorry. Oh source below....
http://www.payscale.com/...ed_Nurse_(RN)/Salary
http://www.payscale.com/...edical_School/Salary
Note that the Doctors salaries are not just out of med school either.
You are WRONG and still have an issue saying it.
I have known RN's DIRECTLY out of nursing school to make 100k and more, notice how Billvon didn;'t touch that one but disagreed with the doctor salary? Now the RN's are pool or registry, so that means they are contract in a sense with no HC or other benefits, bit 50 Hr was typical at the peak, now down a hair probably. Your data won't show that because if you go direct for a hospital you would make that + benefits, but I knew many nurses in teh 80's and most said fuck that, show me the money. As for docs, I would say that out of med school before internship, yea, they make shit, but after intern they make the 150-200k, I stand by that but agree that before internship they don't make shit.
BULLSHIT!! it is way after an internship before they make that..... more when they get in to a highly specialized field.... sorry not buying that at all.... I think you are making u your story.
Now, we've dealt withthese issues, quit running and threatening you're done, just address what you wrote:
People are comparing the left and Obama to the Socialistic views Hitler and the Nazi party held. Guess what.... the do share beliefs..... just accept it and move on. I'm not calling Obnama Hitler but you cannot dismiss that they share some views.
Once again read what I posted in the first post.
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At least that's what a handful of dissenting Americans think. For a country whose citizens view themselves as highly civilized, acts like these certainly scream low class.
Well, it certainly wasn't a problem when the liberals did itover the last 8 years, judging by reporting.
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