Just something to think about-Violence by the right.

[Darius11 12]

It seems to me that the people on the right always seem to be less tolerant about any thing they don’t understand. For example terrorism or acts of violence that you see on TV that Muslims commit when they are displeased with something.

I find it odd that the same people who sit on their fat asses in there safe uninterrupted lives can’t see the many legitimate reasons those people on TV might have (case by case), yet what’s the first thing you see when they lose in a democratic process..Violance. Not just by a few idiots but hints towards violence even from their leadership.


Some of you really need a giant mirror. I wonder what they would do if they had to deal with 1/10 of what Palestinian deals with.

Just something to think about

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It seems to me that the people on the right always seem to be less tolerant about any thing they don’t understand. For example terrorism or acts of violence that you see on TV that Muslims commit when they are displeased with something.

I find it odd that the same people who sit on their fat asses in there safe uninterrupted lives can’t see the many legitimate reasons those people on TV might have (case by case), yet what’s the first thing you see when they lose in a democratic process..Violance. Not just by a few idiots but hints towards violence even from their leadership.


Some of you really need a giant mirror. I wonder what they would do if they had to deal with 1/10 of what Palestinian deals with.

Just something to think about

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Anarchists Versus Teabaggers? Epic Battle on Tax Day

Fox Nation and Gateway Pundit are alarmed: some government-hating weirdos are descending on America’s cities this Tax Day to mess with the government-hating weirdos of the Tea Party movement.

Fox Nation: “Anarchists Plan War on Tea Parties April 15th”

Gateway Pundit: “Violent anarchists are planning on infilitrating and sabotaging the Tea Party Protests on April 15th.”

Let’s take a look at the anarchist battle plan for this violent attack:

1. Organize counter-protests against the tea party demonstrations, same time, same place. This is probably the best option. We need to get in the streets on April 15th and show the tea party movement that there are lots of people out there who oppose their agenda.

2. Get individual tea party protesters to leave the right-wing and move to the left politically. That would involve passing out stuff like this at the tea party demonstrations: http://www.anarchist-studies.org/node/299

3. Ignore the tea party movement. This is the worst option because without anyone opposing them they could easily gain power.

The Tea Partiers do not intend to take this earnest lecturing and leaflet-passing lying down. That’s not what the Founding Fathers would have done.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/01/anarchists-versus-teabaggers-epic-battle-on-tax-day/

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Anarchists Versus Teabaggers? Epic Battle on Tax Day

Fox Nation and Gateway Pundit are alarmed: some government-hating weirdos are descending on America’s cities this Tax Day to mess with the government-hating weirdos of the Tea Party movement.

Fox Nation: “Anarchists Plan War on Tea Parties April 15th”

Gateway Pundit: “Violent anarchists are planning on infilitrating and sabotaging the Tea Party Protests on April 15th.”

Let’s take a look at the anarchist battle plan for this violent attack:

1. Organize counter-protests against the tea party demonstrations, same time, same place. This is probably the best option. We need to get in the streets on April 15th and show the tea party movement that there are lots of people out there who oppose their agenda.

2. Get individual tea party protesters to leave the right-wing and move to the left politically. That would involve passing out stuff like this at the tea party demonstrations: http://www.anarchist-studies.org/node/299

3. Ignore the tea party movement. This is the worst option because without anyone opposing them they could easily gain power.

The Tea Partiers do not intend to take this earnest lecturing and leaflet-passing lying down. That’s not what the Founding Fathers would have done.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/01/anarchists-versus-teabaggers-epic-battle-on-tax-day/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I wonder what they would do if they had to deal with 1/10 of what Palestinian deals with.

Are you once again expressing sympathy in support of Palestinian terrorists who use violence against innocent Israeli citizens?

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I wonder what they would do if they had to deal with 1/10 of what Palestinian deals with.

Are you once again expressing sympathy in support of Palestinian terrorists who use violence against innocent Israeli citizens?

i think you'll find he's expressing support for the same innocent palestinian citizens as you

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[christelsabine 1]

Oh look, the neutral observer is back ....

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Oh look, the neutral observer is back ....

watch out - he'll start a poll

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[Darius11 12]

I just find it odd that they can see their reaction to a democratic process that did not go their way, and yet at the same time have zero tolerance or understanding for people suffering much worst.

I mean no one has taking their homes, their land, their voice even, no one from another country pointing their gun in their face, or the face of their loved ones and yet we have a few people looking at violence.

Not justifying it just a look at humane nature.

As I have always believed we are all as good as our options. Even if some are too blind to see it.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Oh look, the neutral observer is back ....

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I just find it odd that they can see their reaction to a democratic process that did not go their way, and yet at the same time have zero tolerance or understanding for people suffering much worst.

I mean no one has taking their homes, their land, their voice even, no one from another country pointing their gun in their face, or the face of their loved ones and yet we have a few people looking at violence.

Not justifying it just a look at humane nature.

As I have always believed we are all as good as our options. Even if some are too blind to see it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[beowulf 1]

There is a huge difference in the levels of violence by the "Right" and the Muslim extremists you are comparing them to.

I don't understand how anyone could understand this "For example terrorism or acts of violence that you see on TV that Muslims commit when they are displeased with something."

It's a very unproductive way of reacting to their situation.

[lawrocket 3]

I actually find that those who preach tolerance are often vocally intolerant towards those who have differing views. Loud and violent protests occur from the left. The right? Hey, they've started protesting, too.

There is, what I view, kind of an unanswerable question: "How much intolerance should we tolerate?" Intolerance of intolerance is intolerance. It's simply a matter of one viewing their intolerance as more moral.

Anyone who finds the left any more intolerant of the right than the right is of the left is certainly not looking at the big picture.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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I actually find that those who preach tolerance are often vocally intolerant towards those who have differing views. Loud and violent protests occur from the left. The right? Hey, they've started protesting, too.

There is, what I view, kind of an unanswerable question: "How much intolerance should we tolerate?" Intolerance of intolerance is intolerance. It's simply a matter of one viewing their intolerance as more moral.

Anyone who finds the left any more intolerant of the right than the right is of the left is certainly not looking at the big picture.

you took the time to respond (a response I agree with) but I just had to laugh

The high road and the high horse make for a long fall

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I actually find that those who preach tolerance are often vocally intolerant towards those who have differing views.

To turn a different argument around, where does intolerance end and free speech begin? And where does free speech end and abuse begin?

With the increasing heterogeneity of our population, it's getting harder and harder to be blunt without offending someone. 200 years ago, you could slap someone in the face with your glove, then shoot them in a duel, and everyone knew the rules.

Now the rules change for each group -- and there are so many groups, and so many people, that the "bounds of polite conversation" seem to be moving inward in some ways.

Not sure there's a good answer. But it's not surprising. And, well, as people who are not used to expressing anger begin to express it, they're not going to be real polished about it. On both the right and the left.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Oh look, the neutral observer is back ....

watch out - he'll start a poll

Ok...that was pretty funny.

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To turn a different argument around, where does intolerance end and free speech begin? And where does free speech end and abuse begin?

The concept of free speech is mutually exclusive with abuse and intolerance. It's why not all free speech is abuse or intolerance. Nor is all abuse or intolerance free speech.

Free speech exists in the absence and presence of these ideas.

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With the increasing heterogeneity of our population, it's getting harder and harder to be blunt without offending someone. 200 years ago, you could slap someone in the face with your glove, then shoot them in a duel, and everyone knew the rules.

Now the rules change for each group -- and there are so many groups, and so many people, that the "bounds of polite conversation" seem to be moving inward in some ways.

Right. Bluntness falls victim to tolerance. We must be gentle so as not to harm or injure the feelings of the hearer. Hence, some actually accused anyone who didn't support Obama for President as racist. Etc.

Intolerance of other ideas is intolerance. Too often people state their subjective preferences as objective truth. It's not a matter of, "I disagree with the Republican platform." No, it has be be "RePUBICans." Obviously intended to be intolerant and insensitive when it's designed to reflect a personal attitude against another person or group - a group based on beliefs.

Sure, a person's individual beliefs are mutable. Perhaps it is the perceived "intolerance" by the Republicans that causes this intolerance. Regardless, intolerance of intolerance provides no objective moral high ground.

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as people who are not used to expressing anger begin to express it, they're not going to be real polished about it. On both the right and the left.

Wendy P.

I personally find those that are not used to expressing anger are far more subtle and less inflammatory than those who have a long history of it. They have had a long time to self-justify and, like anything you do against social norm, the more you do it the easier it becomes and the more extreme one goes. Of course, there are plenty of bigots out there who use anti-bigotry for this purpose. Homosexuals who are anti-gay in public. White collar criminals who are public philanthropists.

I just think that the more experience one has in hating, the easier it is for that person to reflect that hate.

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I mean no one has taking their homes, their land, their voice even, no one from another country pointing their gun in their face, or the face of their loved ones and yet we have a few people looking at violence.

Being on the wrong side of a world war, not participating in what the UN decided after that war, then starting your own wars and losing them...well, that is going to have consequences. Unless of course you're the poor innocent Palestinians, then you expect a reset back to whatever point in time of your choosing. I don't think there should be any aid going to them until Arafat's widow coughs up a boat load of the money he stole.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Unless of course you're the poor innocent Palestinians, then you expect a reset back to whatever point in time of your choosing.

the palestinians would like to live in a modern twenty-first century state not a three thousand year old jewish cult reset to the old testament

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Unless of course you're the poor innocent Palestinians, then you expect a reset back to whatever point in time of your choosing.

the palestinians would like to live in a modern twenty-first century state not a three thousand year old jewish cult reset to the old testament

Then maybe they should work toward that instead of what they're doing.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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And where does free speech end and abuse begin?

Remember the bottom line, when a liberal goes on a rant it is freedom of speech. When a conservative goes on a rant it is hate speech.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,447]

Oh those poor downtrodden conservatives

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Oh those poor downtrodden conservatives

Wendy P.

Generally under SEIU boots.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Unless of course you're the poor innocent Palestinians, then you expect a reset back to whatever point in time of your choosing.

the palestinians would like to live in a modern twenty-first century state not a three thousand year old jewish cult reset to the old testament

Wrong, they've had lots of opportunities for their own nation and their own self-determination. They turned it down because they choose to not live peacefully with Israel.

They didn't like what the UN did in 1948, they said they would attack if Israel was created. They did attack. They lost. They attacked again and again, and lost each time. Now they just want things to be reset to their liking. I say tough shit, they should be lucky to get a chance to accept similar terms to the old Oslo deal. Arafat never wanted peaceful coexistence, his successors aren't much different.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Unless of course you're the poor innocent Palestinians, then you expect a reset back to whatever point in time of your choosing.

the palestinians would like to live in a modern twenty-first century state not a three thousand year old jewish cult reset to the old testament

I say tough shit, they should be lucky to get a chance to accept similar terms to the old Oslo deal. Arafat never wanted peaceful coexistence, his successors aren't much different.

and it's even tougher shit when iran get nuclear weapons

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