How will the United States end?

[skydiver30960 0]

It's been a LONG while since I read it, but I'm pretty sure it's from Catch 22: the old guy who (I think) was the pimp at the brothel that Nately's whore worked in was talking to one of the American servicemen about how many different governments had ruled over his homeland since the fall of Rome. Anyhow, it ends with the old man grinning at the serviceman and asking something like "What, did you think the United States will last forever?"

It made me pause and think for a moment at the time; but I find myself thinking about it more and more lately. Regardless of the administration, there always seems to be a certain amount of background noise from people screaming "the end is nigh" and blaming the current administration for it.

Anyhow, my personal interest is not so much in arguing whether or not the current, past, or coming administrations are responsible for the fall of America. Instead, how do you think it will happen?

Financial collapse? (this may be the easy choice, but then what CAUSES the financial collapse?)

Civil war or revolution?

Multitudes of mushroom clouds of Chinese or North Korean manufacture?

Environmental disaster?

Elvisio "and what will happen to my 401K?" Rodriguez

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Civil War ... probably fairly soon.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[skygirl1 1]

Financial Ruin=already there and heading there faster, which will probably result in the enviroment becoming worse, which will then result in cival war/revolution ( which also has already begun)

" Mean people SUCK!"

[LongWayToFall 0]

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse (defined as a liberal gift) from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, followed always by a dictatorship."

[JohnRich 4]

Back when the 13 Colonies were still a part of England, a Professor Alexander Tyler wrote about the fall of the Athenian Republic that had occurred over 1,000 years ago:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years.

"They have progressed as follows:
· From bondage to spiritual faith;
· From spiritual faith to great courage;
· From great courage to liberty;
· From liberty to abundance;
· From abundance to selfishness;
· From selfishness to complacency;
· From complacency to apathy;
· From apathy to dependency;
· From dependency back to bondage."

- "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic", Alexander Fraser Tyler (1748 - 1813).

I think we are currently well into the selfishness/complacency/apathy/dependency stages...

[Amazon 7]

From so many hereit is more like

TO bondage OF fake spiritual faith

[remibond 0]

With the reinstituion of the British Empire

Failing that, in a battle of Google and China's robotic killing machines.

Failing those, just China

[jimmytavino 16]

this is how the world will end
this is how the world will end
this is how the world will end......
Not with a bang, !!! but a whimper.

jmy

[dreamdancer 0]

the united states will be around for a long time - same as the united kingdom. it won't be able to afford its empire though. time to hand that over to china

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
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[Andy9o8 2]

This is how:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3031781;#3031781

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[posted 11/30/07]

a slight change in prophecies

Some time ago, I interpreted some biblical prophecies that spoke clearly of the end of the USA, ( NOT the end of the world as some thought), and I mentioned it would take place before the end of Bush's 2nd term.

Well, a continuance of research causes me to believe it will not be before the end of Bush's 2nd term, but shortly after his successor is elected to the President's
office, ......sometime before September of 2009.

This will be the 62nd WEEK ( of years) of Daniel's prophecy, and either shortly before or shortly after New York City and Washington are wiped off the map, a very large asteroid will hit in mid Atlantic, causing enormous problems to the east coast of North America and the west coast of Europe.

I just thought I would bring everyone interested up to date.

Nevertheless, you won't have to wait too long....it IS going to take place.....just a few extra months to enjoy yourselves while you can.....maybe a few extra jumps !

Bill Cole

[dreamdancer 0]

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Meanwhile, a second civil war is brewing. Considering the volatile mixture of inflammatory rhetoric, weapons usage, and growth of militia groups, it appears likely there will be a tragic event: an assault on a Democratic politician, the burning of a congressional office, or another bombing of a Federal office building.

In 1860, the onset of the Civil War could have been averted. Dispassionate observers saw that the Confederacy did not have the resources required to defeat the Union. In 2010, the impending Civil War should be averted. Right-wing zealots are a minority and do not have the resources to commandeer America. Nonetheless, they can cause needless bloodshed.

What will it take for voices of reason to rise up within the Republican Party? How long will it be before a major Republican leader speaks out against domestic terrorism and urges the GOP to return to reason and reconciliation?

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/02-3

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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[beowulf 1]

Bill might want to add another "slight change" to his prophecies!!!

[shropshire 0]

But please don't confuse the US of A with the world

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

With an 's'

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Bolas 5]

If the US goes, the whole world goes with it as we're either giving aid or buying services/products from everywhere.

What happens with Greece will be a good indicator.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Andy9o8 2]

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What happens with Greece will be a good indicator.

Shhh!! You'll scare the sheep.

[kallend 2,099]

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If the US goes, the whole world goes with it as we're either giving aid or buying services/products from everywhere using Chinese money.

I'm sure the British thought the same about their empire.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[georgerussia 0]

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse (defined as a liberal gift) from the public treasury.

So why it hasn't happened yet? I mean, voters had like 200 years to discover that, and it hasn't happened yet; why?

* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. *

[kallend 2,099]

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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse (defined as a liberal gift) from the public treasury.

So why it hasn't happened yet? I mean, voters had like 200 years to discover that, and it hasn't happened yet; why?

It's had even longer in some places.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Bolas 5]

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If the US goes, the whole world goes with it as we're either giving aid or buying services/products from everywhere using Chinese money.

I'm sure the British thought the same about their empire.

That may be true that China is partly backing us, but could/would they be able to support the world all on their own direct money?

They're already talking about the Chinese/emerging markets bubble...

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kallend 2,099]

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If the US goes, the whole world goes with it as we're either giving aid or buying services/products from everywhere using Chinese money.

I'm sure the British thought the same about their empire.

That may be true that China is partly backing us, but could/would they be able to support the world all on their own direct money?

Well, they have the manufacturing capacity, and we do NOT.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kawisixer01 0]

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse (defined as a liberal gift) from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, followed always by a dictatorship."

The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic......The framers of the country were not seeking a democracy. In a democracy the majority rule, leaving some individuals with no choice, and possibly no rights. Hence the constitution giving individual rights no matter what their societal, economic or any other distinguishing circumstance. Hopefully, if done right, it gives all an equal voice. Suffice to say I think the US has gone quite astray from either a republic OR democracy. No matter how the events play out it is rahter unfotrunate. The government we see today would be unrecognizable to the framers of our constitution.
I find it interesting how at the time the founders were considered treasonists to Britain and were seen as "domestic terrorists", and now, here we are in modern days labeling people that don't agree with the government taking away thier rights as "domestic terrorists".
Expect to continue to lose personal rights and liberties. Eventually the people will get fed up...the only problem is, will it then be too late?

[Lucky... 0]

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Civil War ... probably fairly soon.

Please; why? Tea baggers? I don't think are much but bla, bla-de bla, bla.

[Lucky... 0]

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Financial Ruin=already there and heading there faster, which will probably result in the enviroment becoming worse, which will then result in cival war/revolution ( which also has already begun)

Nah, the massive debt has and will create an exchange rate prohibitingg the import of many goods, hence we will have to start making our own shit again.

[JohnRich 4]

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Expect to continue to lose personal rights and liberties. Eventually the people will get fed up...the only problem is, will it then be too late?

And higher taxes.

We need a sea change in Congress. We need to start electing people who promise not to give us more government, but those who promise to give us less. It may take the bankruptcy of America to bring that about.