Half of U.S. pays no federal income tax

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Jobs aren't available? Well, I'll be damned...and here I thought Obama's magic unicorns were gonna poop skittles and piss whiskey and everyone was gonna have jobs and free healthcare.

Nice.

Mike's problem is that he subscribes to the old GOP double standard. It took Saint Ronald Reagan 22 months to get out of the "Carter" recession. From a high of 10.8% in December 1982 (already a whole year after St. Ron's election), unemployment gradually improved until it fell to 7.2% in Nov 1984. Yet Mike criticizes Obama for what is a clearly faster, superior performance.

Like I said, the Repubs aren't bad guys, they just suck at math. See, they build their arguments from the top-down. They worship all R's, then try to find reasons why the R's are better for the country.

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>Sure, let's cut the military by 50%. That gives us about three quarters of
>a million servicemembers and several million MORE people from the
>various manufacturers and services that support the military and the jobs
>lost in the base communities, all on unemployment and food stamps.

Interesting. An argument that increasing the number of people on the government payroll (or more accurately not reducing them) will help support the economy. Sounds like a good argument against all those smaller-government types.

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>Sure, let's cut the military by 50%. That gives us about three quarters of
>a million servicemembers and several million MORE people from the
>various manufacturers and services that support the military and the jobs
>lost in the base communities, all on unemployment and food stamps.

Interesting. An argument that increasing the number of people on the government payroll (or more accurately not reducing them) will help support the economy. Sounds like a good argument against all those smaller-government types.

Why am I not surprised that you see it in that light?

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Or perhaps they can make cuts elswhere, like in the corporate boss compensation.

I always laugh when you libs refer to the 'corporate bosses' as some idiot who sits on a big pile of shit and just keeps grabbing what he wants.

Typically, here in the land of capitalism, a company grew to the point they were incorporated because someone way back in time had the guts to put his/her nuts on a chopping block and take a chance on an idea. Their money, their lives, and their future was at risk and they deserve the reward.

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If one producer does this, the rest have to follow suit or go out of business

Careful...you're talking about the free market system. Something I know you'd love to get rid of.

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With your hero that just left office

ROFLMAO ... who's that? who is my hero?

Just because I despise Leftist / Marxist wankers does not mean I subscribe to something which you seem to want to allege here. My favorite candidate has been "None of the Above" for a long time.

But you are showing us a little something the way you worship the Clinton clan. You should open up your eyes a little and pay more attention to who the Clintons ally themselves with.

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Sounds like a good argument against all those smaller-government types.

Sounds like you're confusing smaller government with smaller military. Not the same thing over here in the real world.

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One more time kids: Money is taxed, not people. If a millionaire makes no money in a given year, he pays no taxes. If a homeless guy wins the lottery, he pays massive taxes perhaps for the 1st time in his life. MONEY IS TAXED, NOT PEOPLE.

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One more time kids: Money is taxed, not people. If a millionaire makes no money in a given year, he pays no taxes. If a homeless guy wins the lottery, he pays massive taxes perhaps for the 1st time in his life. MONEY IS TAXED, NOT PEOPLE.

semantics nazi

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If a millionaire makes no money in a given year, he pays no taxes.

The millionaire pays no income tax if they make no income on work they may have done or on their investments. But they will pay certain sales taxes depending on their consumer spending?

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One more time kids: Money is taxed, not people. If a millionaire makes no money in a given year, he pays no taxes. If a homeless guy wins the lottery, he pays massive taxes perhaps for the 1st time in his life. MONEY IS TAXED, NOT PEOPLE.

semantics nazi

Outlining what drives the tax systemis semantics?????? That's like describing the parachute deployment procedure as semantic.

Sorry you're unable to actually reply - sucks.

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If a millionaire makes no money in a given year, he pays no taxes.

The millionaire pays no income tax if they make no income on work they may have done or on their investments. But they will pay certain sales taxes depending on their consumer spending?

Oh I see, that makes perfect sense if we ignore the thread title: Half of U.S. pays no federal income tax

The key being FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

Move along.

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You know the money this millionaire has, was taxed at some point in time. Are you suggesting that it should be taxed more than once? Good grief

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You know the money this millionaire has, was taxed at some point in time. Are you suggesting that it should be taxed more than once? Good grief

In your wildest dreams, how could you extrapolate that? Of course money is taxed constantly, income tax, the net is spent, then sales tax, etc. But to say I'm stating that income should be taxed as income tax twice, that's your dream as a misdirection.

Now, money is taxed, not people. Follow the money, right? The IRS focuses on pools of money, which is why earning 7 digits makes you several more times likely to be audited. You want to be left alone, quit making gobs of money (assuming you do). Sitting on your money is not taxable, other than the interest. And if you donate that, it becomes untaxable. Quit whinign about taxes if yopu earn gobs. You have options and 1 is to defer the money.

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Tell me something that I don't already know. It's not like I am an 18 year old kid coming fresh out of school. I have be in the work force a long long time, filed many tax returns, made investments blah blah blah am very much aware of how the system works.

What's the problem here? There are numerous avenues for people to reduce their taxes. If the problem is that governments are addicted to taxation when the sources of tax revenues are drying up, might I suggest the best way for governments to handle this issue is to look for ways to control their out of control spending? Yes this includes military spending. Or is that too much for the Leftists / Marxists of the USA to accept?

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Sure, let's cut the military by 50%. That gives us about three quarters of a million servicemembers and several million MORE people from the various manufacturers and services that support the military and the jobs lost in the base communities, all on unemployment and food stamps.

We can't afford to maintain the most expensive socialist organization in the country, especially where the main benefit is national pride.

I recognize that doing away with socialism may be impractical in this modern world, although when downsizing to what we need for defense we could put former military members to work doing something productive using less expensive capital ($4.5B for an aircraft carrier, $2.1B per new bomber built, $112M per new fighter), like infrastructure repair or Obama care.

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One more time kids: Money is taxed, not people. If a millionaire makes no money in a given year, he pays no taxes. If a homeless guy wins the lottery, he pays massive taxes perhaps for the 1st time in his life. MONEY IS TAXED, NOT PEOPLE.

and this is incorrect. income is taxed.

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Mike's problem is that he subscribes to the old GOP double standard. It took Saint Ronald Reagan 22 months to get out of the "Carter" recession. From a high of 10.8% in December 1982 (already a whole year after St. Ron's election), unemployment gradually improved until it fell to 7.2% in Nov 1984. Yet Mike criticizes Obama for what is a clearly faster, superior performance.

Whether you accept that part of not, there's not doubt about the amount of red ink it took to get that result. Reagan would be envious.

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I mean that MUST be true - I have NEVER met a CEO, a plumber, an electrician, an IT guy, a skydiving instructor, a teacher, a pilot, a bus driver, a carpenter who was previously in the military - they simply don't exist......

Didn't make that claim, but you're right - I mean, with all those employers offering signing bonuses at hire since they can't find enough applicants to fill the positions, I'm POSITIVE they'll be snapped right up....

Fortune very recently had soldiers on the cover - the Fortune 100 (and beyond) are very interested in soldiers that are returning to civilian life. They've rediscovered this pool of differently qualified managers, who bring experience that no business school supplies. If you believe that a good manager takes incomplete data and makes a good decision now, rather than a 'perfect' decision in 6 months, they very well suited (though often need finishing on the business aspects of the job).

The Bay Area got hammered with base closures in the early 90s, but then moved ahead with the tech boom. While that had it's own bubble and bust, the fortunes of this region no longer rely on the US maintaining a massive military.

You don't abruptly cut the military in half. That would be more disruptive than the Peace Dividend of the first Bush Administration. But it's not nearly so trying if you just start reducing the numbers of new recruits and allow the current members of the military to leave at their typical rate of attrition. This decade or two long process also gives the other nations, the ones that leach off our efforts, to decide how much they value that help.

But unless those others want to send us billions to keep it up, America cannot afford to continue to be the world's military force. We have nukes and ocean + two friends as borders. We don't have the same needs as a country like Poland or Israel would. It's time to figure out what we want for 2040 and how to get to it.

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Sure, let's cut the military by 50%. That gives us about three quarters of a million servicemembers and several million MORE people from the various manufacturers and services that support the military and the jobs lost in the base communities, all on unemployment and food stamps?

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Another hammer blow is coming. With states and localities in fiscal crisis virtually everywhere, African Americans face a double-whammy as disproportionate holders of public jobs and consumers of public services. Unless the federal government comes to the rescue of the states and cities, Blacks will lose hundreds of thousands of previously steady public jobs with benefits, while the poor and carless will face a hostile world all on their own.

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while the poor and carless will face a hostile world all on their own.

Drama queen...

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>Why am I not surprised that you see it in that light?

I don't; I generally think that the private sector is more efficient at improving the economy, although both certainly work to some extent. It's surprising to see you make an argument for maintenance of the economy via government spending.

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Jobs aren't available? Well, I'll be damned...and here I thought Obama's magic unicorns were gonna poop skittles and piss whiskey and everyone was gonna have jobs and free healthcare.

Nice.

Mike's problem is that he subscribes to the old GOP double standard. It took Saint Ronald Reagan 22 months to get out of the "Carter" recession. From a high of 10.8% in December 1982 (already a whole year after St. Ron's election), unemployment gradually improved until it fell to 7.2% in Nov 1984. Yet Mike criticizes Obama for what is a clearly faster, superior performance.

Wrong yet again, perfesser....but I'm sure you'll continue to believe your own line of bullshit.

Which part is incorrect?

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>Sure, let's cut the military by 50%. That gives us about three quarters of
>a million servicemembers and several million MORE people from the
>various manufacturers and services that support the military and the jobs
>lost in the base communities, all on unemployment and food stamps.

Interesting. An argument that increasing the number of people on the government payroll (or more accurately not reducing them) will help support the economy. Sounds like a good argument against all those smaller-government types.

Why am I not surprised that you see it in that light?

Why am I not surprised that your own contradiction bit you in the ass?

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Tell me something that I don't already know. It's not like I am an 18 year old kid coming fresh out of school.

But all we have to go on is the stuff you post here.

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Oh my my ... that hurts ... NOT

For someone who has connections all the up to the White House and owns a fucking airplane you sure whine a lot about rich people. I'd be willing to bet that 99.999999999% of the poor people out there in the world would agree that you are a rich elitist who does not have a clue what life is like on main street. Say Hi to Michelle Obama for the rest of us low life slugs when you go the opera the next time.

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