How can people be this hypocritically stupid?

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Clinton commited a felony

If you're going to start that shit, then Oliver North committed a felony, too. You really want to do this?

Besides, I thought Clinton was cleared (in a political trial - a low standard of proof), just like Reagan in Iran-Contra, etc. However, Libby was convicted in a crminal court, a much higher standard.

Err, as a result of that political process Clinton would have had to go back to the trial with Paula Jones, but instead paid her off to settle the matter. That seems about on par with the dismissal of the North conviction.

I think we can all assume fairly that North carried out the illegal policy goals of the Reagan Administration. I'm less sure that he should be the one to pay for that. Reagan, Poindexter, others may have been more appropriate.

We'll never know how much (or if) Clinton acted criminally in harassing Paula Jones. The trial never happened. He lied to get it dismissed on the first run, and then settled to avoid it happening. All we know is he fooled around with Monica, lied to the world about it, got punished by the bar for it.

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Clinton commited a felony

If you're going to start that shit, then Oliver North committed a felony, too. You really want to do this?

Besides, I thought Clinton was cleared (in a political trial - a low standard of proof), just like Reagan in Iran-Contra, etc. However, Libby was convicted in a crminal court, a much higher standard.

Err, as a result of that political process Clinton would have had to go back to the trial with Paula Jones, but instead paid her off to settle the matter. That seems about on par with the dismissal of the North conviction.

I think we can all assume fairly that North carried out the illegal policy goals of the Reagan Administration. I'm less sure that he should be the one to pay for that. Reagan, Poindexter, others may have been more appropriate.

We'll never know how much (or if) Clinton acted criminally in harassing Paula Jones. The trial never happened. He lied to get it dismissed on the first run, and then settled to avoid it happening. All we know is he fooled around with Monica, lied to the world about it, got punished by the bar for it.

I have always wondered, as i am sure many have, about just how much different Clintons time in office would have been had he just told the truth in his Paula Jones deposition.
Worse case: He would be found guilty of sexual harrassment and ordered to pay Paula a settlement figure, and would have made a public acknowledgment and apology.
Best case: Judge throws out the lawsuit.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave....

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Oh tell us why Clinton was called in and questioned about Lewinsky.

It seems that in my absence others have done that for me
Thanks everyone

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And I doubt he knew the real truth
With the media love affair with Clinton it can be hard to find on web sites often frequented by Lucky (I would guess anyway)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Oh tell us why Clinton was called in and questioned about Lewinsky.

He was under investigation for perjury in connection with the sexual harassement lawsuit brought against him by Paula Jones. You know that. But you, as always, will spin it so it was the evil Republicans fault he lied under oath.

Republicans will spin it as though the Paula Jones lawsuit, the Lewinsky inquiry, etc., etc. were not part of an all-out Republican effort to destroy Clinton personally because they hated his politics. And Gingrich was the founding father of the modern-day trend of Washington politics being nothing more than a blood sport about the personal destruction of the other guy, everything else be damned.

So fuck what the Republicans tried to do to Clinton, fuck the sanctimonious Republican assholes who don't like that he refused (Yeah! Even under oath!) to candidly speak about his sex life which was nobody else's fucking business outside of his own family, and fuck Gingrich, and the horse he rode in on.

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Oh tell us why Clinton was called in and questioned about Lewinsky.

He was under investigation for perjury in connection with the sexual harassement lawsuit brought against him by Paula Jones. You know that. But you, as always, will spin it so it was the evil Republicans fault he lied under oath.

Republicans will spin it as though the Paula Jones lawsuit, the Lewinsky inquiry, etc., etc. were not part of an all-out Republican effort to destroy Clinton personally because they hated his politics. And Gingrich was the founding father of the modern-day trend of Washington politics being nothing more than a blood sport about the personal destruction of the other guy, everything else be damned.

So fuck what the Republicans tried to do to Clinton, fuck the sanctimonious Republican assholes who don't like that he refused (Yeah! Even under oath!) to candidly speak about his sex life which was nobody else's fucking business outside of his own family, and fuck Gingrich, and the horse he rode in on.

"Oh tell us why Clinton was called in and questioned about Lewinsky" was the question. Not "what was the underlying reason" or "what was the political reasoning".
Though i disagree with the way the whole situation was handled, Clinton brought the whole thing upon himself when he lied in his deposition. The President is not above the law (at least that is what the Dems say about the crap Bush pulled).
Both sides of the aisle can be blamed for that entire fiasco. The Repubs for failing to place reasonable limits on the investigation, and the Dems for downplaying the whole thing as if it were nothing. The man was, after all, caught red-handed lying under oath. That, my friend, is nothing petty.

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You either miss my point or are proving it. Whatever.

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Clinton brought the whole thing upon himself when he lied in his deposition.

...which never should have taken place in the first place because it was orchestrated by the Republican effort to destroy him personally for completely political reasons. As I just said. As you just read. What part "fuck that, and the horse, too" do you pretend to not understand?

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You either miss my point or are proving it. Whatever.

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Clinton brought the whole thing upon himself when he lied in his deposition.

...which never should have taken place in the first place because it was orchestrated by the Republican effort to destroy him personally for completely political reasons. As I just said. As you just read. What part "fuck that, and the horse, too" do you pretend to not understand?

It is nice to know you think sexual harassment is so petty.

""fuck that, and the horse, too"
If you want to insult me, then do it. But don't pussy out and hide behind a vaguely veiled PA.

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You either miss my point or are proving it. Whatever.

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Clinton brought the whole thing upon himself when he lied in his deposition.

...which never should have taken place in the first place because it was orchestrated by the Republican effort to destroy him personally for completely political reasons. As I just said. As you just read. What part "fuck that, and the horse, too" do you pretend to not understand?

It is nice to know you think sexual harassment is so petty.

""fuck that, and the horse, too"
If you want to insult me, then do it. But don't pussy out and hide behind a vaguely veiled PA.

Lying about sex/harrasssment and lying about murder/world crimes have in common 1 thing: lies. Other than that, they are worlds apart.

I still find it entertaining how you pretend to be in teh middle, run to defend the conservative side, then when called on it, run back to the middle and repaet until it becomes nauseating.

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Have you or anybody close to you ever been a victim of sexual harrasement? It is no joking matter.
BTW, who said anything about murder?????

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Republicans will spin it as though the Paula Jones lawsuit, the Lewinsky inquiry, etc., etc. were not part of an all-out Republican effort to destroy Clinton personally because they hated his politics.

Of course it was an all out effort.

But it's equally partisan to claim that sexual harassment and perjury are trifle matters. Or obstruction of justice.

Clinton could have addressed the sexual harassment case head on. Instead he tried to avoid the trial due to the Presidency, then he lied to get it dismissed, and then he paid her off.

As noted, he dug his own grave by sleeping around, getting caught, and then making public statements to the contrary. Remember Gary Hart? He dared the press to catch him, and they happily did. Clinton marginalized much of his second term as a consequence. Tarnished a highly successful presidency as a result.

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He urged his fellow Republicans to stop what he called Obama's "secular, socialist machine."

The original charge in the article is that Obama has socialist polices.
So, instead of discussing Obamas policies, the Dems are
discussing NG's sex life?

Kind of ruins the point of discussing if all they want to
do is avoid discussing his policies.

The policies must be bad. Perhaps NG was right.

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Have you or anybody close to you ever been a victim of sexual harrasement? It is no joking matter.
BTW, who said anything about murder?????

Not a joke, but not as severe as Iran/Contra. You wanna make us believe that none of the arms were used for murder? Back to the drawing board; go design me a trailer.

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Have you or anybody close to you ever been a victim of sexual harrasement? It is no joking matter.
BTW, who said anything about murder?????

Not a joke, but not as severe as Iran/Contra. You wanna make us believe that none of the arms were used for murder? Back to the drawing board; go design me a trailer.

Staw man extreme.

You keep asking me to design you a trailer, but you never give me details so I can come up with a quote. Wassa matta...can't figure it out by yourself?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Have you or anybody close to you ever been a victim of sexual harrasement? It is no joking matter.
BTW, who said anything about murder?????

Not a joke, but not as severe as Iran/Contra. You wanna make us believe that none of the arms were used for murder? Back to the drawing board; go design me a trailer.

Staw man extreme.

You keep asking me to design you a trailer, but you never give me details so I can come up with a quote. Wassa matta...can't figure it out by yourself?

Naw, I live in a house, hope you have a double-wide.

Yea, Iran-Contra = BJ gate..... maybe that explains why your party is on the outs, that and the 12.6T debt they are basically responsible for. Oh wait, that's right, you are an independant that agrees with 90% of what Republicans do, that's right - my bad. Isn't it fun to hang back and pretend not to be a Republican? I really can't blame ya.

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Have you or anybody close to you ever been a victim of sexual harrasement? It is no joking matter.
BTW, who said anything about murder?????

Not a joke, but not as severe as Iran/Contra. You wanna make us believe that none of the arms were used for murder? Back to the drawing board; go design me a trailer.

Staw man extreme.

You keep asking me to design you a trailer, but you never give me details so I can come up with a quote. Wassa matta...can't figure it out by yourself?

Naw, I live in a house, hope you have a double-wide.

Yea, Iran-Contra = BJ gate..... maybe that explains why your party is on the outs, that and the 12.6T debt they are basically responsible for. Oh wait, that's right, you are an independant that agrees with 90% of what Republicans do, that's right - my bad. Isn't it fun to hang back and pretend not to be a Republican? I really can't blame ya.

So you think that unless someone agrees with you 100%, then they are against you 100%? You have a lot more in common with GW than you know.
According to your "logic", if a crime is not the most serious imaginable then it is not worth investigating or prosecuting.

Nope, don't live in a double wide. Another strawman argument from lucky.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[Andy9o8 2]

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He [Gingrich] urged his fellow Republicans to stop what he called Obama's "secular, socialist machine."

The original charge in the article is that Obama has socialist polices. So, instead of discussing Obamas policies, the Dems are discussing NG's sex life?

The key horseshit in Gingrich's remarks being the word "secular", with all its back-handed derision (in this context) of Obama's (and the Administration's) ethics and character. To which the reply is that when it comes to matters of personal ethics and character, Gingrich is hardly in a position to cast stones.

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To which the reply is that when it comes to matters of personal ethics and character, Gingrich is hardly in a position to cast stones.

Excellent.

Can I quote you on this? That one must have a perfect
moral position to question the ethics of the opposition?
This should make political discussions quiet.

Look forward to seeing this thread again.

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Can I quote you on this? That one must have a perfect moral position to question the ethics of the opposition?

No, because that's not what I said. Any random twit can spin another person's words and then pretend to rebut the "result." Play that game with someone else; I'm not interested.

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Gingrich is pretty amusing on all of the news talk shows. He loves to attack the current administration on every and all fronts. I get that, it's his "job".
But every single time he is asked for a solution to our ills, he miumbles, stumbles and does the same ol' spin double talk of most politicians, Democrat or Republican. I don't think the guy had an original thought, ever.
I would take him serious if he would just answer one question straight up that is presented to him.