rhys 0 #1 April 10, 2010 take your pick on which article to read ***George W. Bush knew many of the prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay were innocent but did nothing, according to documents filed in a recent lawsuit, The Times of London reports. The President, along with Vice-President Dick Cheney and then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, were allegedly afraid to release the men fearing the move could harm the effort in Iraq and the war on terror at large, a former top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell alleges in documents obtained by the Times of London. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson made the statements in a signed declaration to support a lawsuit filed against American officials by Guantánamo detainee Adel Hassan Hamad, a Sudanese man who was held at Guantánamo Bay from March 2003 until December 2007. Mr Hamad claims that he was tortured by U.S. agents while in custody. Colonel Wilkerson, a critic of the Bush Administration’s counter terrorism tactics who served 31 years in the US Army, asserted: “He had absolutely no concern that the vast majority of Guantánamo detainees were innocent ... If hundreds of innocent individuals had to suffer in order to detain a handful of hardcore terrorists, so be it.” He alleged that for Cheney and Rumsfeld thought “innocent people languishing in Guantánamo for years was justified by the broader War on Terror and the small number of terrorists who were responsible for the September 11 attacks”. He added: “I discussed the issue of the Guantánamo detainees with Secretary Powell. I learnt that it was his view that it was not just Vice-President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld, but also President Bush who was involved in all of the Guantánamo decision making.” Spokespeople for Bush and for Rumsfeld have categorically denied the allegations, according to the Times of London. General Powell is likely to have backed Colonel Wilkerson’s declaration, the newspaper reports. source; DAILY NEWS"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #2 April 10, 2010 Holy shit man, we know you love to try to discredit the USA but even this story is old and worn out in this forum. Don't you have a guitar to re-string or something else useful to do?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #3 April 10, 2010 QuoteHoly shit man, we know you love to try to discredit the USA but even this story is old and worn out in this forum. Don't you have a guitar to re-string or something else useful to do? I am disgusted by the right wing conservative apologists. You worthless examples of humanity continue to support that which is morally and spiritually bankrupt. What you support and defend is that we, the USA, did violate the Geneva convention, as well as numerous other treaties, and tortured people, with approval from the highest level of our government. Have any of you dirtbags noticed that Shrub and Dick haven't done any international travel? Perhaps they know that Interpol might place them under arrest and send to the Hague for a well deserved trial. If it was good enough for Milosevic, why isn't it good enough for Shrub and Dick? The bastards need to be held accountable for their crimes. Due to you fuckwits, it won't happen in the USA. We'll have to depend on the international community to step in and handle the matter. It used to be that right wing conservatives had some idea of right and wrong. That clearly has passed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #4 April 10, 2010 QuoteHave any of you dirtbags noticed that Shrub and Dick haven't done any international travel? Perhaps they know that Interpol might place them under arrest and send to the Hague for a well deserved trial. If it was good enough for Milosevic, why isn't it good enough for Shrub and Dick? The bastards need to be held accountable for their crimes. Due to you fuckwits, it won't happen in the USA. We'll have to depend on the international community to step in and handle the matter. Ummm....not quite correct. Bush has been in Canada since he left office... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 April 10, 2010 You've obviously been reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People". Whenever I read a spittle-laced diatribe like yours I know I'm on the 'right' path.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #6 April 10, 2010 QuoteHoly shit man, we know you love to try to discredit the USA but even this story is old and worn out in this forum. Don't you have a guitar to re-string or something else useful to do? Don't you hate to be remninded of your party's abhorrent deeds? Maybe that explains your party's fall from grace, minimized to tapping under a shitter stall for cock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 April 10, 2010 QuoteIt used to be that right wing conservatives had some idea of right and wrong. That clearly has passed. That went out with the Eisenhower admin. There hasn't been a credible president since then, other than GHWB. Pure trash, 24/7. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 April 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteHave any of you dirtbags noticed that Shrub and Dick haven't done any international travel? Perhaps they know that Interpol might place them under arrest and send to the Hague for a well deserved trial. If it was good enough for Milosevic, why isn't it good enough for Shrub and Dick? The bastards need to be held accountable for their crimes. Due to you fuckwits, it won't happen in the USA. We'll have to depend on the international community to step in and handle the matter. Ummm....not quite correct. Bush has been in Canada since he left office... Canada is about as foreign as he better go, if you really call that foreign. http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jesus-land.gif Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 April 10, 2010 QuoteYou've obviously been reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People". Whenever I read a spittle-laced diatribe like yours I know I'm on the 'right' path. Which is reaffirmed by your party's arrest and confinement of knowingly innocent people. Then being virtually solely liable for the 12.6T debt, the destruction of several economies and gross elitism. That pretty much sums it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #10 April 10, 2010 It is completely expected that right wing conservatives would brag about wallowing in ignorance. That is how we got here to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #11 April 10, 2010 QuoteYou've obviously been reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People". Whenever I read a spittle-laced diatribe like yours I know I'm on the 'right' path. No kidding. From a single post: "You worthless examples of humanity...." "Have any of you dirtbags...." "Due to you fuckwits...." "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #12 April 10, 2010 I guess the problem I have with folks like you and Lucky is just how absolutely certain you are that you're correct...on everything.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #13 April 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHave any of you dirtbags noticed that Shrub and Dick haven't done any international travel? Perhaps they know that Interpol might place them under arrest and send to the Hague for a well deserved trial. If it was good enough for Milosevic, why isn't it good enough for Shrub and Dick? The bastards need to be held accountable for their crimes. Due to you fuckwits, it won't happen in the USA. We'll have to depend on the international community to step in and handle the matter. Ummm....not quite correct. Bush has been in Canada since he left office... Canada is about as foreign as he better go, if you really call that foreign. http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jesus-land.gif Facts aren't really that important to you, are they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 April 10, 2010 Quote General Powell is likely to have backed Colonel Wilkerson’s declaration, the newspaper reports. Lines like this always make me laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #15 April 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteHoly shit man, we know you love to try to discredit the USA but even this story is old and worn out in this forum. Don't you have a guitar to re-string or something else useful to do? Don't you hate to be remninded of your party's abhorrent deeds? Maybe that explains your party's fall from grace, minimized to tapping under a shitter stall for cock. I am loyal to no political party, sorry to dissappoint you. So you'll just have to find another way to frame you PA's. I guess you did forget why Clinton was called to testify. How quickly we forget the misdeeds of our idols.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #16 April 10, 2010 QuoteI am loyal to no political party, sorry to dissappoint you. So you'll just have to find another way to frame you PA's. I guess you did forget why Clinton was called to testify. How quickly we forget the misdeeds of our idols. You are pretty damned loyal to those that like to murder and torture innocent civilians, who are you trying to kid? You will come up for an excuse for any atrocity, no matter how inhumane, and you defy logic and try to accuse those that point them out a traitors and idiots. This stoyy is hardly rinsed out, when it is all over the news, you seem to think it is 'old hat' and not woth discussion. Just sweep it under the carpet? You ought to be ashamed of yourself, you are indirectly responsable for the deaths and torture of innocent human beings and you act like it ws just a movie that you can review then forget about. Maybe we should shove a towel in your mouth and run water over it for a few hours, simulating your drowning, then maybe you might wake up and tell the truth? Then we can put you in court, and get you to admit to things you did not do... oh no thats right, you'll have right is court to say how we treated you, then you might tell everyone and expose our adgenda. Nah thats a bad idea, we'll just lock you up and throw away the key, we still might use some torture, just for fun though!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #17 April 11, 2010 QuoteI guess the problem I have with folks like you and Lucky is just how absolutely certain you are that you're correct...on everything. Agreed. Threads like this and posters like those just make me more happy to be on the other side. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #18 April 11, 2010 QuoteI guess the problem I have with folks like you and Lucky is just how absolutely certain you are that you're correct...on everything. The diff is that on this side we provide data, not some FOX article. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #19 April 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHave any of you dirtbags noticed that Shrub and Dick haven't done any international travel? Perhaps they know that Interpol might place them under arrest and send to the Hague for a well deserved trial. If it was good enough for Milosevic, why isn't it good enough for Shrub and Dick? The bastards need to be held accountable for their crimes. Due to you fuckwits, it won't happen in the USA. We'll have to depend on the international community to step in and handle the matter. Ummm....not quite correct. Bush has been in Canada since he left office... Canada is about as foreign as he better go, if you really call that foreign. http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jesus-land.gif Facts aren't really that important to you, are they? If you have a point to make, make it. If not, keep teh ad hominem rhetoric going. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #20 April 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteHoly shit man, we know you love to try to discredit the USA but even this story is old and worn out in this forum. Don't you have a guitar to re-string or something else useful to do? Don't you hate to be remninded of your party's abhorrent deeds? Maybe that explains your party's fall from grace, minimized to tapping under a shitter stall for cock. I am loyal to no political party, sorry to dissappoint you. So you'll just have to find another way to frame you PA's. I guess you did forget why Clinton was called to testify. How quickly we forget the misdeeds of our idols. You're conservative which means either Republican or Libertarian in denial of either/both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #21 April 11, 2010 Quote Quote I guess the problem I have with folks like you and Lucky is just how absolutely certain you are that you're correct...on everything. Agreed. Threads like this and posters like those just make me more happy to be on the other side. We're happy to have you there, it's currently called the minority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #22 April 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHave any of you dirtbags noticed that Shrub and Dick haven't done any international travel? Perhaps they know that Interpol might place them under arrest and send to the Hague for a well deserved trial. If it was good enough for Milosevic, why isn't it good enough for Shrub and Dick? The bastards need to be held accountable for their crimes. Due to you fuckwits, it won't happen in the USA. We'll have to depend on the international community to step in and handle the matter. Ummm....not quite correct. Bush has been in Canada since he left office... Canada is about as foreign as he better go, if you really call that foreign. http://hiscrivener.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jesus-land.gif Facts aren't really that important to you, are they? If you have a point to make, make it. If not, keep teh ad hominem rhetoric going. OK. Here's my point. Bush has travelled internationally...FACT If either travelled further than that, neither would be arrested and sent to the Hague...FACT. Neither have been indicted on war crimes....neither is wanted in any capacity that would preclude them from travelling outside the US. Are you aware of any outstanding warrants or indictments that await either Bush or Cheney if they leave the US? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 April 11, 2010 yes, the war crimes cry tends to come from people who don't understand what those are, and have translated it into "he did stuff I didn't approve of." You see similar idiots who go on about impeaching officials they disagree with. Bush is Texan - they think their state is the holy land, and no reason for anyone to go anywhere else. I'm sure he's happily retired away and having fun on the ranch. Even when he was President he couldn't stay away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #24 April 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHoly shit man, we know you love to try to discredit the USA but even this story is old and worn out in this forum. Don't you have a guitar to re-string or something else useful to do? Don't you hate to be remninded of your party's abhorrent deeds? Maybe that explains your party's fall from grace, minimized to tapping under a shitter stall for cock. I am loyal to no political party, sorry to dissappoint you. So you'll just have to find another way to frame you PA's. I guess you did forget why Clinton was called to testify. How quickly we forget the misdeeds of our idols. You're conservative which means either Republican or Libertarian in denial of either/both. Who says I'm conservative? You have no idea what my political beliefs are, you only have assumptions that, like verything else you proclaim to know, are wrong.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #25 April 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteI am loyal to no political party, sorry to dissappoint you. So you'll just have to find another way to frame you PA's. I guess you did forget why Clinton was called to testify. How quickly we forget the misdeeds of our idols. You are pretty damned loyal to those that like to murder and torture innocent civilians, who are you trying to kid? You will come up for an excuse for any atrocity, no matter how inhumane, and you defy logic and try to accuse those that point them out a traitors and idiots. This stoyy is hardly rinsed out, when it is all over the news, you seem to think it is 'old hat' and not woth discussion. Just sweep it under the carpet? You ought to be ashamed of yourself, you are indirectly responsable for the deaths and torture of innocent human beings and you act like it ws just a movie that you can review then forget about. Maybe we should shove a towel in your mouth and run water over it for a few hours, simulating your drowning, then maybe you might wake up and tell the truth? Then we can put you in court, and get you to admit to things you did not do... oh no thats right, you'll have right is court to say how we treated you, then you might tell everyone and expose our adgenda. Nah thats a bad idea, we'll just lock you up and throw away the key, we still might use some torture, just for fun though! Instead of beating a dead horse, why don't you preach about how suicide bombers in Iraq kill dozens of people indiscriminately, including children and small dogs.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
