shropshire 0 #26 April 16, 2010 That would be Mr Rich to you, young lady (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #27 April 16, 2010 Quote .... BTW...I don't think it caused 'shock across America' because other than here I hadn't heard anything about this. Understandable. It's happening on a regularly basis, so why to raise up even an eyebrow? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #28 April 16, 2010 Quote Quote .... BTW...I don't think it caused 'shock across America' because other than here I hadn't heard anything about this. Understandable. It's happening on a regularly basis, so why to raise up even an eyebrow? yea...that's what I thought too.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #29 April 16, 2010 QuoteBut I challenge any of us to deal with that type of situation on a daily basis ... If they dealt with that type of situation on a daily basis they would be under Marshal law."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casurf1978 0 #30 April 16, 2010 QuoteIs it wrong? Absolutely. But I challenge any of us to deal with that type of situation on a daily basis and not crack some twatwad in the head when he tells you that you should 'suck his dick' or something like that. Not saying it's right or OK, but I can see it from both sides. I respect cops, they have one of the toughest jobs out there dealing with scumbags on a daily basis. They chose that profession and knew what they were getting into. Cracking under pressure is no excuse. If they can't deal with the pressure or the huge responsibility they have they shouldn't be cops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #31 April 17, 2010 Quote I've never been a big believer in these types of video for the simple reason that you don't get the whole picture (no pun intended). You have no clue what this guy might have done 45 seconds before the video starts. I can't see it at work but I'll bet they didn't just pick him out randomly and kick his ass. >>>>> I can't see it at work but I'll bet they didn't just pick him out randomly and kick his ass No predisposed bias there no. Even if he had done something prior, for which there is no evidence of, the cops still have to approach him and allow him to cooperate, as it is obvious he is. The article even states he was skipping down the ramp, bothering no one. But of course we will exonerate all pigs and gibe em a ticket for a dozen donuts and a cup fo coffee for their trouble. Funny how the conservatives are the ones who defend the cops even with a mountain of evidence, altho they calim they are about freedom from gov oppression? Go figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #32 April 17, 2010 Quote That video clearly shows more .... http://www.mefeedia.com/news/30489233 I believ that's an, "oops up side ur head" to all who think the lovely piggeros did nothing wrong here. Amazing the people that will run to the cops b4 even hearing any details. I didn't draw an opinion until I saw the vid. I do like the police chief's reaction, refreshing it wasn't some, 'we will wait until all evidece is in' rhetoric. The vid kinda clears it all up. If they have some exculpatory ev, let's see it, other than that it stands and the young kid can drop out of college and live off his settlement. Makes me wish I was a lawyer to bury these assholes, whether civil attny or prosecutor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #33 April 17, 2010 QuoteFinally got a chance to watch the vid...both actually. I think I know what happened. Little Johnny was skipping down the sidwalk when he was approached by 3 law enforcement officers, one on horseback. The officers were trying to clear the area where Johnny wanted to go . The officers told Johnny he wasn't allowed back there and Johnny politely replied "Fuck you cop." The officers proceeded to explain to Johnny why he shouldn't use that language in public. Is it wrong? Absolutely. But I challenge any of us to deal with that type of situation on a daily basis and not crack some twatwad in the head when he tells you that you should 'suck his dick' or something like that. Not saying it's right or OK, but I can see it from both sides. BTW...I don't think it caused 'shock across America' because other than here I hadn't heard anything about this. I saw it on the local news b4 here. You assume he said "fu" to teh cops - pure guess from you. His body language was 0% offensive, dangerous or anything but relenting. Officer(s) McPig needed to walk up and point to go that way, if the kid refused then they would have to cuff him, if the kid resisted then the cops needed to increase force a bit. None of these negaitive physical behaviors were present from the kid, we can only guess as what if anything he said. The jury will see many vids, none have an audio of him saying a thing. Of course there will be a huge settlement and some piggy firings and no civil trial, perhaps a criminal one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #34 April 17, 2010 QuoteFinally got a chance to watch the vid...both actually. I think I know what happened. Little Johnny was skipping down the sidwalk when he was approached by 3 law enforcement officers, one on horseback. The officers were trying to clear the area where Johnny wanted to go . The officers told Johnny he wasn't allowed back there and Johnny politely replied "Fuck you cop." The officers proceeded to explain to Johnny why he shouldn't use that language in public. A) You "think". B) That's still criminal assault, and they should all serve time for it. Five men with clubs are not allowed to 'explain' anything to an unarmed man, no matter how rude he might hypothetically be, no matter what uniform they wear.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #35 April 17, 2010 QuoteSame with this guy- he even spent a few days in jail. Did you see how hard that bicyclist hit my forearms? I was clearly being attacked! Too bad too, the very small minority tearing down the much better majority. That one was discussed here too. And would you believe it, even though the video and report proved that the cop was lying, several on here still gave benefit of the doubt to the cop because 'we couldn't see what happened earlier'. Stranger still, those defending the cop tended to be among the "we need guns to protect us from Gov't oppression" crowd. Wierd.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RackJR 0 #36 April 17, 2010 Skyrad i'm curious. have you watched the second video that someone posted, the longer one? where the guy is skipping down the street just before realizing that he's in front of cops? and if so, are you still saying that we should be supporting these "hero's" and that the kid had it coming? I spent 20 years working in college bars, sports bars, night clubs, and owned a pool hall. i've dealt with more drunks than i could hope to remember. in all those years, i did get into a few altercations. every one of those altercations came after the drunk person hit me somehow, and not before. I had every conceivable insult hurled at me, from fucking my mother to ending my life and everything in between. finger pointing, spit flying in my face cuz they're so close, you name it. i think i have a good idea of what constitutes aggressive behavior. this kid wasn't being aggressive at all. he looked like he was having a pretty good time. every altercation i got in came after several minutes of discussion, or shouting, what i would call posturing. every one came with a serious amount of shit talking first. never did someone just smack me out of the blue. i think that's because most guys really don't want to get in a fight. they want to look as tough as they can without actually risking physical harm. and having been in my share of fights, i don't really want to get in any more. i do everything i can to avoid that kind of confrontation. most guys i know with fighting experience do the same. they talk and back up until they can't do either any more. what i mean by all that is that IMO it's a pretty small percentage of the people you run into that actually want to get in a fight and go after it immediately. and i don't think it usually starts with someone dancing down the street. also, did anyone else notice how incredibly fast this happened? those cops escalated that situation so quickly. obviously i don't have audio, but it can't have been much of an attempt to talk on their part. how can anyone say that they were trying to avoid conflict? i watched the video a couple extra times just to see if it looked possible that the kid had contacted the horse. if he did, the horse certainly didn't show any response. how far back do you guys need video to cover this person before you can say he didn't deserve what he got? if the guy had taken a swing at one of them, i think them taking a swing back would have been merited. and then arresting him. i've watched a lot of cops arrest people. i was a firsthand witness at the boulder colorado student riots, all 3 of them. i watched police in riot gear deal with students, and although i didn't think they handled it the best way, it certainly didn't involve anything that could be considered in the same thought process as this incident. did the kid clearly smack the horse and then kung-fu style demolish an officer? this was 3 guys with batons, supposedly there to protect and serve, beating the shit out of him after what can only be described as a defensive step backwards toward the wall. how good is your reaction time when you're drunk? do you follow all directions instantly? how about when you're drunk, ecstatic that your favorite team just won, and positive you're not doing anything wrong? would you immediately grasp that you're in peril from the police, when you know you haven't done anything wrong? i (not very scientifically) counted 7 seconds between the time i think he noticed the police to the time the first officer struck him. if i did it very badly, it might have been 9 seconds. if you're drunk and happy, you gonna grasp that you are in serious danger from the people there to protect you, in 9 seconds or less? i guess it's possible that they were shouting at him longer than that to stop... but i think given the circumstance of the night (it was a big win) and that it's a college town (college kids + basketball can easily = drunk college kids) a fair bit more patience was in order. so i'm curious. are you still of the same mind as when you originally posted this? Say what you mean. Do what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #37 April 17, 2010 I think he's taken a beating here in this thread, he's trying to gracefully back away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #38 April 18, 2010 Quote I think he's taken a beating here in this thread, he's trying to gracefully back away. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #39 April 18, 2010 Paragraph breaks and succinctness. They are your friends. Ours, too. Your post is un-readable. Please summarize in, oh, 4.5 sentences or less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RackJR 0 #40 April 18, 2010 could you post all your rules of posting for me? i don't have the full list. thanks. stylistic criticisms? content? shall i just let you speak for all of us? you really can't read anything if it's not one line snips? i don't really like the style most people have of the one line attempts to quickly insult the person who posted as an idiot. but thanks for saying that i must post exactly the way you like to post. Say what you mean. Do what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #41 April 18, 2010 You need to initial-cap your sentences. You wanna go for the skymama1 award, knock yourself out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RackJR 0 #42 April 18, 2010 you should probably just skip my posts. Say what you mean. Do what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RackJR 0 #43 April 18, 2010 i have no idea what that award is. want to waste more time and get more off topic explaining it? don't you have lots of other threads to tend to? Say what you mean. Do what you say. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #44 April 18, 2010 Quote you should probably just skip my posts. Hey be VERY careful about skipping ... the cops will come and beat the shite out of you (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DARK 0 #45 April 18, 2010 so skyrad any opinion on the second video which clearly shows you to be mistaken in your original post? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #46 April 18, 2010 Quote could you post all your rules of posting for me? i don't have the full list. thanks. stylistic criticisms? content? shall i just let you speak for all of us? you really can't read anything if it's not one line snips? i don't really like the style most people have of the one line attempts to quickly insult the person who posted as an idiot. but thanks for saying that i must post exactly the way you like to post. Stylistic criticism: Look at how the others post. It doesn't have to be "one line attempts to quickly insult", but it helps a lot if you double space your paragraphs. Unlike a lot of forums out there, this place uses a fairly old format, and can be difficult to read if there are a lot of lines of text with little or no space. Capitalization and punctuation also help (if for no other reason than to demonstrate your intelligence/knowledge) You have said some interesting things in this (and other) threads, but your style of long paragraphs with few breaks is a bit hard to read. Make it easier for the rest of us to understand your point of view and your points are more likely to be considered. Make it harder and you are more likely to be ignored. Or misunderstood by the idiots (and there are a lot of those in here) It's not a "rule", but more of an "etiquette" issue. And those aren't published anywhere."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #47 April 18, 2010 Quote Paragraph breaks and succinctness. They are your friends. Ours, too. Your post is un-readable. Please summarize in, oh, 4.5 sentences or less. Brevity and punctuation are overrated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #48 April 18, 2010 Quoteso skyrad any opinion on the second video which clearly shows you to be mistaken in your original post? *crickets* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 618 #49 April 18, 2010 Quote so skyrad any opinion on the second video which clearly shows you to be mistaken in your original post? Have you followed Skyrads posts? I think that YOU are mistaken here. His post was tongue in cheek/shit stirring whatever you want to call it. It is fantastic how many people fell for it hook, line and sinker!Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 April 18, 2010 Quote Quote so skyrad any opinion on the second video which clearly shows you to be mistaken in your original post? Have you followed Skyrads posts? I think that YOU are mistaken here. His post was tongue in cheek/shit stirring whatever you want to call it. It is fantastic how many people fell for it hook, line and sinker! Yeah it is...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites