AZ Immigration Bill Invites Racial Profiling of US Citizens

[billvon 2,994]

>why not let the citizens work . . .

Because they refuse to. Illegal immigrants do the work no citizen will do. I say let them do it legally.

>why should we give our jobs to non citizens?

Because they're not "our" jobs if we refuse to do them. And as long as people shop at Wal-Mart for the lowest prices they can find, there will be a need for those jobs.

[billvon 2,994]

>IMO the biggest difference between other groups and the mexicans is
>that other groups became americans, the hispanics want to be mexican in
>america.

Funny, all those "other groups" you refer to have been labeled the same way by past naysayers. The German-Dutch were going to force the US to have German and English as official languages and destroy our culture, because they refused to fit in. Had their own schools and bookstores and everything. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

The Irish - same thing. They were all unemployed drunks taking jobs away from "real Americans." They took over churches, bars and entire neighborhoods. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

The blacks were lazy, shiftless losers who did not deserve the same advantages as other americans. Maybe they were 3/5's as good - but that was just because they didn't want to work and weren't educated enough to vote. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

It's odd. After over 200 years of people saying exactly what you've said, the Germans, blacks, Dutch and Irish are considered the "real" Americans and we've found a new group to hate. You think we'd learn.

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I've practiced and studied a lot of civil rights and civil liberties law in my time, and I can tell you that what happened to the guy in the article was a violation of his Federal civil rights, and he does have a valid cause of action for a Federal lawsuit, which he would probably win.

Having been on the other side of that on many levels, there were many lawyers that thought that about me and others, they were wrong every time.
With that said, I do have issues with the reach of this bill. The only question is where to draw the line, I guess we'll be doing that in the court and on the streets for a while.
Something has to be done about illegal immigration, I'm just not sure exactly what it is.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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There's the 'knee-jerk' reaction I'm referring to. You seem to feel that all of a sudden, there is going to be some form of nazi, police state take-over.

No, it's already here, some stretches of freway you drive 5 miles and see 3 photo-cameras. So we're here, now we're just expanding our protocol. But piggies willbe stopping more people for driving while brown.

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You read what Shotgun posted. To me, it doesn't give law enforcement too much 'wiggle room'.

I do and we'll see how the state courts rule, as well as the SCOTUS in following years.

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I do think, you have a valid point in regard to penalizing employers... all of them, for hiring illegals. Hit employers who hire them and hit them in the wallet hard.


Chuck

Right, we're a fascist dirty fucking corporate-loving nation; we hate to penalize what we cater to. If teh jobs dry up, the illegals go home or elsewhere. I'm not advocating illegal immigration and not advocating Nazi practice either, justthat illegalizing and over-enforcing issues makes them worse, as with 1920's prohibition.

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Greedy comes to mind, too.

Who are you saying is being greedy?

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We have to start somewhere.

So we should start with civil rights deprivations for Mexican-Americans and other people of color?

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Those people in this country who don't live along our border either don't or won't see the problem or just choose to ignore it. It's not happening in their neighborhood so what's the deal.

Dude, I live in Phoenox, not a border town but may as well be. I worl with a lot of Mexican-Americans, so might be illegals for all I know, but it's not my job to turn them in and I don't want legislation making me a cop or a criminal if I don't become one.

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I'll tell you what. How about, we ALL ignore the problem, just let it go and see what happens. Would that suit you?Chuck

Tell ya what, patrol teh border, build a wall if ya want, stop being such fascist good little Republicans and actually hold businesses accountable. That's my start, yours involves civil rights depravations of Mexican-Americans and others. From the party who gives us tea-bagging constitutional bla, bla, bla, ladies and gentlemen, we have hypocrisy and constitutional ignorance.

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>IMO the biggest difference between other groups and the mexicans is
>that other groups became americans, the hispanics want to be mexican in
>america.

Funny, all those "other groups" you refer to have been labeled the same way by past naysayers. The German-Dutch were going to force the US to have German and English as official languages and destroy our culture, because they refused to fit in. Had their own schools and bookstores and everything. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

The Irish - same thing. They were all unemployed drunks taking jobs away from "real Americans." They took over churches, bars and entire neighborhoods. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

The blacks were lazy, shiftless losers who did not deserve the same advantages as other americans. Maybe they were 3/5's as good - but that was just because they didn't want to work and weren't educated enough to vote. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

It's odd. After over 200 years of people saying exactly what you've said, the Germans, blacks, Dutch and Irish are considered the "real" Americans and we've found a new group to hate. You think we'd learn.

I can one-up that; the American Indians. The were sent to Indian Schools, had their hair cut (which is sacreligious to them), and had to accept the lovely and evil Christianity and ditch their religions or be thought of as savage beasts and killed or jailed. We have an Indian School Road here in Phx with an old Indian Scool still in place as a reminder.

Oh, shall we mention the interned, err, relocated Japanese-Americans in WWII? They proved their Americaness by forming the 442nd and going thru France and Italy, cleaning out the Germans and Italians. They were fierce and many died. Of course they weren't white, so they weren't real Americans

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I've practiced and studied a lot of civil rights and civil liberties law in my time, and I can tell you that what happened to the guy in the article was a violation of his Federal civil rights, and he does have a valid cause of action for a Federal lawsuit, which he would probably win.

Having been on the other side of that on many levels, there were many lawyers that thought that about me and others, they were wrong every time.
With that said, I do have issues with the reach of this bill. The only question is where to draw the line, I guess we'll be doing that in the court and on the streets for a while.
Something has to be done about illegal immigration, I'm just not sure exactly what it is.

The line is drawn when it starts affecting Americans, Mexican-Americans, Puerto Rican-Americans, etc. This legis leans real hard on that, even if not in the written language, the intent to start screening the fuck out of brown people.

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>IMO the biggest difference between other groups and the mexicans is
>that other groups became americans, the hispanics want to be mexican in
>america.

Funny, all those "other groups" you refer to have been labeled the same way by past naysayers. The German-Dutch were going to force the US to have German and English as official languages and destroy our culture, because they refused to fit in. Had their own schools and bookstores and everything. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

The Irish - same thing. They were all unemployed drunks taking jobs away from "real Americans." They took over churches, bars and entire neighborhoods. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

The blacks were lazy, shiftless losers who did not deserve the same advantages as other americans. Maybe they were 3/5's as good - but that was just because they didn't want to work and weren't educated enough to vote. Why wouldn't they become Americans?

It's odd. After over 200 years of people saying exactly what you've said, the Germans, blacks, Dutch and Irish are considered the "real" Americans and we've found a new group to hate. You think we'd learn.

I can one-up that; the American Indians. The were sent to Indian Schools, had their hair cut (which is sacreligious to them), and had to accept the lovely and evil Christianity and ditch their religions or be thought of as savage beasts and killed or jailed. We have an Indian School Road here in Phx with an old Indian Scool still in place as a reminder.

Oh, shall we mention the interned, err, relocated Japanese-Americans in WWII? They proved their Americaness by forming the 442nd and going thru France and Italy, cleaning out the Germans and Italians. They were fierce and many died. Of course they weren't white, so they weren't real Americans

Hey!! What about the Wops? You know, cornering the market on barbering and stuff. I'm just saying. Oh - and Indians (the real ones) and Dunkin' Donuts and 7-Elevens. What's with that?

Oh!! and all the Korean tailors. wtf.

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There's the 'knee-jerk' reaction I'm referring to. You seem to feel that all of a sudden, there is going to be some form of nazi, police state take-over.

No, it's already here, some stretches of freway you drive 5 miles and see 3 photo-cameras. So we're here, now we're just expanding our protocol. But piggies willbe stopping more people for driving while brown.

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You read what Shotgun posted. To me, it doesn't give law enforcement too much 'wiggle room'.

I do and we'll see how the state courts rule, as well as the SCOTUS in following years.

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I do think, you have a valid point in regard to penalizing employers... all of them, for hiring illegals. Hit employers who hire them and hit them in the wallet hard.


Chuck

Right, we're a fascist dirty fucking corporate-loving nation; we hate to penalize what we cater to. If teh jobs dry up, the illegals go home or elsewhere. I'm not advocating illegal immigration and not advocating Nazi practice either, justthat illegalizing and over-enforcing issues makes them worse, as with 1920's prohibition.

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Greedy comes to mind, too.

Who are you saying is being greedy?

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We have to start somewhere.

So we should start with civil rights deprivations for Mexican-Americans and other people of color?

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Those people in this country who don't live along our border either don't or won't see the problem or just choose to ignore it. It's not happening in their neighborhood so what's the deal.

Dude, I live in Phoenox, not a border town but may as well be. I worl with a lot of Mexican-Americans, so might be illegals for all I know, but it's not my job to turn them in and I don't want legislation making me a cop or a criminal if I don't become one.

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I'll tell you what. How about, we ALL ignore the problem, just let it go and see what happens. Would that suit you?Chuck

Tell ya what, patrol teh border, build a wall if ya want, stop being such fascist good little Republicans and actually hold businesses accountable. That's my start, yours involves civil rights depravations of Mexican-Americans and others. From the party who gives us tea-bagging constitutional bla, bla, bla, ladies and gentlemen, we have hypocrisy and constitutional ignorance.

Well, for one thing, I am not a facist nor am I a republican.
I will agree with you about holding 'all' employers of illegals accountable. I don't agree with your bunching-up legals and illegals as one group. I do resent ANYONE entering this country illegally and benefitting from this country of ours, while actual U.S. citizens are footing the bill for them. Anyone wanting to enter this country can do it legally or stay the hell out. Establishing some kind of work program where they can come here and work but can't stay wouldn't be a bad idea.
I'm sure, this new law in Arizona will be tested but I'm also curious to see how it works-out.


Chuck

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There's the 'knee-jerk' reaction I'm referring to. You seem to feel that all of a sudden, there is going to be some form of nazi, police state take-over.

No, it's already here, some stretches of freway you drive 5 miles and see 3 photo-cameras. So we're here, now we're just expanding our protocol. But piggies willbe stopping more people for driving while brown.

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You read what Shotgun posted. To me, it doesn't give law enforcement too much 'wiggle room'.

I do and we'll see how the state courts rule, as well as the SCOTUS in following years.

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I do think, you have a valid point in regard to penalizing employers... all of them, for hiring illegals. Hit employers who hire them and hit them in the wallet hard.


Chuck

Right, we're a fascist dirty fucking corporate-loving nation; we hate to penalize what we cater to. If teh jobs dry up, the illegals go home or elsewhere. I'm not advocating illegal immigration and not advocating Nazi practice either, justthat illegalizing and over-enforcing issues makes them worse, as with 1920's prohibition.

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Greedy comes to mind, too.

Who are you saying is being greedy?

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We have to start somewhere.

So we should start with civil rights deprivations for Mexican-Americans and other people of color?

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Those people in this country who don't live along our border either don't or won't see the problem or just choose to ignore it. It's not happening in their neighborhood so what's the deal.

Dude, I live in Phoenox, not a border town but may as well be. I worl with a lot of Mexican-Americans, so might be illegals for all I know, but it's not my job to turn them in and I don't want legislation making me a cop or a criminal if I don't become one.

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I'll tell you what. How about, we ALL ignore the problem, just let it go and see what happens. Would that suit you?Chuck

Tell ya what, patrol teh border, build a wall if ya want, stop being such fascist good little Republicans and actually hold businesses accountable. That's my start, yours involves civil rights depravations of Mexican-Americans and others. From the party who gives us tea-bagging constitutional bla, bla, bla, ladies and gentlemen, we have hypocrisy and constitutional ignorance.

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Well, for one thing, I am not a facist nor am I a republican.

OK, all I'm saying is that it's the Republican model that supports fascism/corporatism. Evidence of that is seen with the bank bailout from GWB, the stimulus from Obama.

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I will agree with you about holding 'all' employers of illegals accountable.

Yep, but just as we have to restore the billionaires before the little people do well after the Republican Recession, we must blame someone else for illegal immigration.

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I don't agree with your bunching-up legals and illegals as one group.

Wasn't it you or was it someone else saying that the legal Mexican-Americans should dime out the illegal Mexicans? That's grouping them, I wasn't doing that, I was illustrating how many have, some in here.

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I do resent ANYONE entering this country illegally and benefitting from this country of ours, while actual U.S. citizens are footing the bill for them.

Sure, but I don't blame them. Also, it happens all around the world, wherever you visit if you get ill, they will care for you other than the worst of 3rd world countries. We explot them as well, many car parts are made in Maquillaroras that save us thousands, so let's be real; the exploitation works both ways.

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Anyone wanting to enter this country can do it legally or stay the hell out. Establishing some kind of work program where they can come here and work but can't stay wouldn't be a bad idea.

Or work toward a residents visa and ultimatley citizenship.

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I'm sure, this new law in Arizona will be tested but I'm also curious to see how it works-out.


Chuck

Yea, rednecks 1, humans 0 at this point.

[Belgian_Draft 0]

Well, I posted my opinion this morning and when I get back from the hospital I see two more pages of posts.
Unfortunately the thread had degenrated into political name calling and references to how a now dead President can be blamed for all of it, all because somebody dared state an opinion they didn't like.
Its too bad some people here have to fuck up what started as, and could have been, an informative exchange of views in a lot of threads.

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[airdvr 210]

Seems as simple as 3 choices here...

1. Enforce existing laws

2. Disregard existing laws

3. Make a new law.

Being that AZ can't legally enforce a federal statute, and the feds are disregarding existing laws, they were put in the unenviable postion of passing a law they can enforce.

I don't like the 'show me your papers' mentality of this law but we've already passed that point, haven't we? How many times a week are you required to show some form of ID? Isn't it the same thing?

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>why not let the citizens work . . .

Because they refuse to. Illegal immigrants do the work no citizen will do. I say let them do it legally.

>why should we give our jobs to non citizens?

Because they're not "our" jobs if we refuse to do them. And as long as people shop at Wal-Mart for the lowest prices they can find, there will be a need for those jobs.

Apologists for illegal immigration like to talk about the jobs "Americans won't do" but the facts do not bear this out. Every time when an ICE raid separates a group of illegal aliens from their ill-gotten jobs--eg Yamato Engine Specialists in Washington state and Columbia Farms in North Carolina--there are American citizens lining up to apply for the jobs just vacated.

One (of many) problems is that our messed up immigration system actually allows an alien in deportation proceedings to apply for temporary employment authorization--so that after a raid, an employee who had no valid papers before often ends up being granted such papers "temporarily" while the deportation case drags on. So the company hires them back--legally this time--and the American workers who applied are SOL.

Although the employment authorization may be "temporary" and expire when the alien is finally ordered deported, it gives them a status which then allows them to apply for a social security number. Once you have a social security number, it is yours for life, so if they choose to stay illegally, the net effect of the raid is actually to make their life as an illegal EASIER (because now they at least have a legal SSN).

It's a very complex game and counterintuitive in a lot of ways.

American citizens will do any job that is available to be done--the only reason some jobs tend to go to illegals is because it is easier to take advantage of illegals so some unscrupulous employers prefer them.

There are no jobs American citizens won't do--but there are some US employers who won't hire Americans.

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Seems as simple as 3 choices here...

1. Enforce existing laws

2. Disregard existing laws

3. Make a new law.

3 choices for whom? The US gov or AZ?

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Being that AZ can't legally enforce a federal statute, and the feds are disregarding existing laws,...

So the feds are disregarding illegal immigration? Hmm, so I guess all these billions spent are monopoly money: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/rewrite/budget/fy2008/homeland.html

Just because it isn't what you want, doesn't mean they are disregarding the problem. Maybe if your chimp in chief didn't get us into 2 illegitimate wars we would be able to focus more on homeland security.

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...they were put in the unenviable postion of passing a law they can enforce.

By harrassing Mexican-Americans or hell, any, let's say, Brown-American person. Right, white is right; we'll be ok so fuck others: LOUD AND CLEAR. (wink)

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I don't like the 'show me your papers' mentality of this law but we've already passed that point, haven't we? How many times a week are you required to show some form of ID? Isn't it the same thing?

Showing ID to buy something with a credit card, buy beer, etc isn't the same as showing ID because you're brown.

POST #13 by airdvr: As much as I abhore the border problem this is not the answer.

Hey, while you're at it, cook me up a couple waffles you're having; they sound good for breakfast.

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Apologists for illegal immigration like to ...

Apologists for racial profiling stops....... er, wait, there is no such thing; these people have no problem with racial profiling - resume normal conversation.

[airdvr 210]

It must be so difficult for you Lucky to be so right all of the time.

I said the feds are not holding up their end of the bargain, you had to turn it into a political football. I never agreed with GWB's immigration stance. Typical that the government is spending billions and the effects are of little or no real value.

I still don't like the 'show me your papers' feel to this but there are half a million illegals in AZ.

Next step will be some sort of amnesty bill floated by congress but I think this one will have an even tougher time than HC.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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I still don't like the 'show me your papers' feel to this but there are half a million illegals in AZ.

Next step will be some sort of amnesty bill floated by congress but I think this one will have an even tougher time than HC.

There are 300 shitloads of US military personnel deployed outside the US. Anyone who genuinely believes that more than about, oh, 30% of those so deployed are vital to protect US national security - which is to say, to keep our kids safe in their beds from foreign threats - has drunk deeply of the kool-aid that we're force-fed every day in our schools and every wing (even the left wing) of our "news" and entertainment media. Now then:

Take the lion's share of those on foreign deployment, and bring them back home. Then do the following:
1. Take 40% of them and deploy them along the Mexican border.
2. Deploy another 5% of them along the Canadian border; it's mostly for appearances' sake, but keeping all the bootleg Molson's out is salutary in itself.
3. As to the rest, discharge most of them, and keep a few in reserve.

Also: De-commission at least one complete aircraft carrier battle group, and don't develop that next-generation super-fighter jet, which is only being developed to stay ahead of the one the Russians are building to keep pace with the one we're developing.

The result will be:
1. An immediate increase in border security and corresponding decrease in illegal immigration and Mexican drug gang activity;
2. A savings of so much money that - just like every other Western-style nation in the world, it will pay for universal health care.

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It must be so difficult for you Lucky to be so right all of the time.

So you have no answer....er, is it you have to simultaneous answers that are polar opposites?

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I said the feds are not holding up their end of the bargain, you had to turn it into a political football.

No, what you said was:

POST #13 by airdvr: As much as I abhore the border problem this is not the answer.

Then you said: ...and the feds are disregarding existing laws...

I showed you the billions the feds are spending: http://www.whitehouse.gov/...fy2008/homeland.html

And now the feds aren't holding up their end of the deal . So what should the fed do? Enact a bounty on brown people? Kill em all and let god sort em out? No, the feds react by passing and enacting laws, which they have, and then throw money at a problem to enforce, which they've done, yet they're not holding up their end of the deal?

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I never agreed with GWB's immigration stance.

I never said you did. Did you agree with Reagan's amnesty in 1986, or is that off the table for discussion?

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Typical that the government is spending billions and the effects are of little or no real value.

It is typical; why are you so surprised? I don't dare ask you if you think it's ok to sit on the border and snipe brown people.

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I still don't like the 'show me your papers' feel to this but there are half a million illegals in AZ.

So then pretext stops are ok? Yea, we thought that in 1942 with Japanese-Americans..... WE WERE WRONG THEN TOO.

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Next step will be some sort of amnesty bill floated by congress but I think this one will have an even tougher time than HC.

Why? All the fascist Pig Ronnie fans gone? Hey, McSame is a HUGE FR fan, I wonder if he will vote for it? See, the whole Kerry flip-fopping rhetoric was BS, just as you have flipped in thsi thread alone. Maybe your paranoia will be determinmed to be the same as with HC death squads, there will be no anmesty bill. The sky won't fall; relax.

You never did explain your waffling, was it that you saw a Republican brother getting isolated so you decided waffling was better than letting him stand alone?

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It must be so difficult for you Lucky to be so right all of the time.

I said the feds are not holding up their end of the bargain, you had to turn it into a political football. I never agreed with GWB's immigration stance. Typical that the government is spending billions and the effects are of little or no real value.

I still don't like the 'show me your papers' feel to this but there are half a million illegals in AZ.

Next step will be some sort of amnesty bill floated by congress but I think this one will have an even tougher time than HC.

Trying to have a sensible discussion with lucky is virtually impossible. Trying to have a civil discussion with him is even tougher. Lately I just drop out of a discussion once he starts his "fascist Pig Ronnie" rhetoric. If he wants to claim victory, then he can go right ahead. He only proves over and over that he is incapable of conversation with anyone with an IQ over 37.

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It must be so difficult for you Lucky to be so right all of the time.

I said the feds are not holding up their end of the bargain, you had to turn it into a political football. I never agreed with GWB's immigration stance. Typical that the government is spending billions and the effects are of little or no real value.

I still don't like the 'show me your papers' feel to this but there are half a million illegals in AZ.

Next step will be some sort of amnesty bill floated by congress but I think this one will have an even tougher time than HC.

Trying to have a sensible discussion with lucky is virtually impossible. Trying to have a civil discussion with him is even tougher. Lately I just drop out of a discussion once he starts his "fascist Pig Ronnie" rhetoric. If he wants to claim victory, then he can go right ahead. He only proves over and over that he is incapable of conversation with anyone with an IQ over 37.

2 posts in a row with zero reference to the issue, just 100% ad hominem. Can you say: ASS HANDED TO YOU?

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See what I mean?

One good thing about lucky.....he tends to prove people right when they tell the truth about his "debate techniques".

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See what I mean?

One good thing about lucky.....he tends to prove people right when they tell the truth about his "debate techniques".

3 of your posts with ZERO of the issue. I posted all kinds of data, another guy posted a copy of the bill, yet all you have to do is bitch about me; do you think anyone here isn't aware that you're outta gas?

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So the feds are disregarding illegal immigration? Hmm, so I guess all these billions spent are monopoly money: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/rewrite/budget/fy2008/homeland.html

I don't know what they're doing, but it isn't effective.

I've tried to get someone deported. Someone I know has an uncle here illegally who was being abusive to family. He ended up in county jail on DWI charges, and phone calls and a written complaint couldn't get ICE involved. He ended up in state pen, and on his release day, ICE couldn't be bothered to show up, so he's still here.

So, while they are doing SOMETHING, and they're doing it SOMEWHERE, it's not effective from a feet on the ground perspective.

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See what I mean?

One good thing about lucky.....he tends to prove people right when they tell the truth about his "debate techniques".

3 of your posts with ZERO of the issue. I posted all kinds of data, another guy posted a copy of the bill, yet all you have to do is bitch about me; do you think anyone here isn't aware that you're outta gas?

Actually, I HAVE no reply to most anything you post since i don't read the vast majority of the trash.
So you are, in effect, engaged in a debate with someone who isn't taking part.
But it has been clear in the past that is the only debate you can win.

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[GeorgiaDon 362]

Well, at the risk of getting the discussion back on track I've got a couple of comments. Here in Georgia we are seeing a lot of "undocumented immigrants", it's estimated there are over 400,000 in the state now. It's become very common that, when required to produce ID, these people are producing an ID card issued by the Mexican consulate, which they seem to think absolves them of the need to obtain a Georgia driver's license and somehow makes them "legitimate". It seems to me that by issuing these bogus IDs the Mexican government is actively encouraging illegal immigration, and the Federal Government should demand that they stop, or else close the consulate offices.

A couple of weeks ago a guy came in to pay a ticket for an ordinance violation. All he had was one of these consulate cards, and when he was told that wasn't acceptable ID and he needed a Georgia drivers license (since he was claiming to be a resident of the County) he said he didn't have or need one because he had this card from his government. Well my wife called the police to report that the guy was driving without a license, and the police said they couldn't come out because they hadn't witnessed him driving. My wife said she would be happy to be a witness, as would another woman in the office with her, and they also had surveillance video of the guy driving into and out of the parking lot. The police still would not take a complaint. That's a problem. Perhaps the issue is that our local county jail is already overcrowded and the county is under a court order to build more space (which will cost us 80 million we don't have), so there isn't any place to warehouse a lot of illegals while the county waits for USCIS to take them.

Just as egregious (or even more so) was the guy whose "ID" sort of looked like a drivers license, except at the bottom it said "see other side". When my wife turned it over, it said in big letters "You have no right to question the holder of this card. If you have questions you must contact the law office of... (a local immigration law firm)". So these guys are actively aiding and abetting illegals. Of course the card has no legal force, it's just designed to intimidate people.

We are starting to see more and more problems with gang violence here too, plus if you get in a car accident there's a very good chance it will be with an "undocumented immigrant" with no license or insurance, so it's not a trivial issue. It does bother me how the Mexican government and some local entities (such as the law firm) are actively promoting illegal immigation.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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It does bother me how the Mexican government and some local entities (such as the law firm) are actively promoting illegal immigation.

Don

Why would it surprise you that a law firm would resort to sleazy tactics to make a buck? That's capitalism. Like Goldman Sachs taking a "big short" to profit from the recession.

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