Immigration Advocates Rising Up in Anger Across the Nation Over New Arizona Law

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Public furor is mounting across the nation over Arizona's new "show me your papers or go to jail" immigration law.

Given that 30% of Arizona's population is Hispanic and 10% is Native American, you can bet many dark-skinned legal residents and citizens will be victims of this new police authority.

In Arizona, carry your birth certificate or passport at all times.

Another provision of the new law, aimed at day laborers, makes it a misdemeanor for an undocumented immigrant to solicit work on public streets.

The law's bizarre definition of soliciting is: "any verbal or nonverbal communication by a gesture or a nod that would indicate to a reasonable person that a person is willing to be employed."

This is "a mandate to harass anyone who looks or sounds foreign," said Alessandra Soler Meetze, director of the American Civil Liberties Union in that state.

Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said yesterday he thinks the law is unconstitutional.

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Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said yesterday he thinks the law is unconstitutional.

officers have been stopping people under reasonable suspicion for years. There is case law in your state defining what that means.

This is a power play meant to put egg on the face of immigration, or make them do their jobs.

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Publice furor is brewing because the ACLU is upset and there are some dark skinned people who will surely be affected?

Complete horeshit. Standard.

Americans are moving more towards strict feelings on immigration.

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I, for one, am boycotting "Arizona" brand drinks and clothes

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Is there a "Latinos for immigration reform" group yet. There has to be Latinos out there who are resentful of those who come in illegally and cause problems for those who came the hard way (or whose parents did). I am sure there are social pressures to remain silent, but until such a movement becomes public I don't see how the federal pols can afford to alienate Latino voters with reforms that have any teeth.

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Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said yesterday he thinks the law is unconstitutional.

officers have been stopping people under reasonable suspicion for years. There is case law in your state defining what that means.

This is a power play meant to put egg on the face of immigration, or make them do their jobs.

What would constitute reasonable suspicion of someone being here illegally?

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I, for one, am boycotting "Arizona" brand drinks and clothes

always thinking things through - like a good little drone

Let them boycott Arizona brand drinks

Talk about funny crap!!

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I'd say the primary one is lack of basic english skills. Any legal immigrant here having english issues likely hasn't been here long and is probably already carrying their immigration paperwork. There are other indicators (lack of drivers license, insurance or current vehicle registration and others) that each by themselves don't mean much, but combined with each other and a lack of english skills could create reasonable suspicion.

Simply "acting suspiciously" can be enough for an officer to stop you and ask you for ID and inquire into what you are doing.

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Is there a "Latinos for immigration reform" group yet. There has to be Latinos out there who are resentful of those who come in illegally and cause problems for those who came the hard way (or whose parents did). I am sure there are social pressures to remain silent, but until such a movement becomes public I don't see how the federal pols can afford to alienate Latino voters with reforms that have any teeth.

I know some that have came here legally and a mojority of them cannot STAND illegals. They are very angry that they get a bad name and get lumped in with people that have no respect for our laws. I can understand their frustration. They spent years going through the process and waited patiently in their country. One family was actually split for awhile as each person made their way through the paper trail. For some reason the media is slanted towards the "poor innocent hard working" illegals. I don't see a gray area. They are here illegally. period. What part of against the law do people now understad. It's a slippery slope when you start randomly deciding to enforce one law and blatently not enforce another.

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Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said yesterday he thinks the law is unconstitutional.

officers have been stopping people under reasonable suspicion for years. There is case law in your state defining what that means.

This is a power play meant to put egg on the face of immigration, or make them do their jobs.

What would constitute reasonable suspicion of someone being here illegally?

Blues,
Dave

Dave's question hits the nail on the head. This Op/Ed piece by Stephen Chapman asks this question, and suggests there are no good answers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-oped-0429-chapman-20100429,0,6182155.column

Gov. Brewer has stated that she will not allow racial profiling. Fine. But then how are cops supposed to generate a "reasonable suspicion" that someone may be an illegal alien? Does everyone with a foreign accent get detained? This law will likely prove unworkable in practice. If you read the article, it indicates that even the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police opposes the law, purely on the practical grounds Dave has raised. Leaving the political arguments aside, I don't see how this law can work without essentially forcing cops to engage in racial profiling.

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Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said yesterday he thinks the law is unconstitutional.

officers have been stopping people under reasonable suspicion for years. There is case law in your state defining what that means.

This is a power play meant to put egg on the face of immigration, or make them do their jobs.

What would constitute reasonable suspicion of someone being here illegally?

Blues,
Dave

Dave's question hits the nail on the head. This Op/Ed piece by Stephen Chapman asks this question, and suggests there are no good answers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-oped-0429-chapman-20100429,0,6182155.column

Gov. Brewer has stated that she will not allow racial profiling. Fine. But then how are cops supposed to generate a "reasonable suspicion" that someone may be an illegal alien? Does everyone with a foreign accent get detained? This law will likely prove unworkable in practice. If you read the article, it indicates that even the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police opposes the law, purely on the practical grounds Dave has raised. Leaving the political arguments aside, I don't see how this law can work without essentially forcing cops to engage in racial profiling.

ask everyone they come in contact with to see their drivers license, if they don't have one there is a good possibility they are illegal.

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ask everyone they come in contact with to see their drivers license, if they don't have one there is a good possibility they are illegal.

They will need several thousand more cops if they are to ask everyone they have contact with. I think cops have much better things to do.

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Even Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said yesterday he thinks the law is unconstitutional.

officers have been stopping people under reasonable suspicion for years. There is case law in your state defining what that means.

This is a power play meant to put egg on the face of immigration, or make them do their jobs.

What would constitute reasonable suspicion of someone being here illegally?

Blues,
Dave

Dave's question hits the nail on the head. This Op/Ed piece by Stephen Chapman asks this question, and suggests there are no good answers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-oped-0429-chapman-20100429,0,6182155.column

Gov. Brewer has stated that she will not allow racial profiling. Fine. But then how are cops supposed to generate a "reasonable suspicion" that someone may be an illegal alien? Does everyone with a foreign accent get detained? This law will likely prove unworkable in practice. If you read the article, it indicates that even the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police opposes the law, purely on the practical grounds Dave has raised. Leaving the political arguments aside, I don't see how this law can work without essentially forcing cops to engage in racial profiling.

ask everyone they come in contact with to see their drivers license, if they don't have one there is a good possibility they are illegal.

Hey, Mark, how's things going? Hope you and Holly are well.

I know you are a conservative guy, but are you really in favor of the police asking "everyone they come into contact with" for their papers? All due respect, but you may want to think that one through a bit. The historical context of government officials asking random individuals for their "papers, please" is a little unsettling to many of us, even some conservatives, I'd guess.

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I, for one, am boycotting "Arizona" brand drinks and clothes

always thinking things through - like a good little drone

Let them boycott Arizona brand drinks

Talk about funny crap!!

What's funny is that the Arizona Iced Tea drinks are canned/bottled in New York state!

As for the state of Arizona's new law, they are doing what the national government has failed to do, IMO. Maybe they did it on purpose to force the Obama administration to do something, I dunno. Will there be lines drawn in the sand between the two sides, hell yes. It's unavoidable. But it should be interesting. I think a Texas senator is planning to introduce a similar bill in that state as well.

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ask everyone they come in contact with to see their drivers license, if they don't have one there is a good possibility they are illegal.

They will need several thousand more cops if they are to ask everyone they have contact with. I think cops have much better things to do.

Yeah like that highly dangerous police work of writing traffic tickets so their department can buy new toys for them

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I, for one, am boycotting "Arizona" brand drinks and clothes

always thinking things through - like a good little drone

Let them boycott Arizona brand drinks

Talk about funny crap!!

What's funny is that the Arizona Iced Tea drinks are canned/bottled in New York state! I know, Isnt that hillarious!!

As for the state of Arizona's new law, they are doing what the national government has failed to do, IMO. Maybe they did it on purpose to force the Obama administration to do something, I dunno. Will there be lines drawn in the sand between the two sides, hell yes. It's unavoidable. But it should be interesting. I think a Texas senator is planning to introduce a similar bill in that state as well.

You are right on

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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As for the state of Arizona's new law, they are doing what the national government has failed to do, IMO. Maybe they did it on purpose to force the Obama administration to do something, I dunno. Will there be lines drawn in the sand between the two sides, hell yes. It's unavoidable. But it should be interesting. I think a Texas senator is planning to introduce a similar bill in that state as well.

+1.

I view it sorta likes states that have seat belt laws but don't allow officers to pull someone over just for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if North Carolina is next after Texas as we have tons of illegals as well.

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I, for one, am boycotting "Arizona" brand drinks and clothes

always thinking things through - like a good little drone

Let them boycott Arizona brand drinks

Talk about funny crap!!

What's funny is that the Arizona Iced Tea drinks are canned/bottled in New York state! I know, Isnt that hillarious!!

As for the state of Arizona's new law, they are doing what the national government has failed to do, IMO. Maybe they did it on purpose to force the Obama administration to do something, I dunno. Will there be lines drawn in the sand between the two sides, hell yes. It's unavoidable. But it should be interesting. I think a Texas senator is planning to introduce a similar bill in that state as well.

You are right on

Thanks, and is it true that the Bush administration started building a border wall, which the Obama administration put a stop to?

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I, for one, am boycotting "Arizona" brand drinks and clothes

always thinking things through - like a good little drone

Let them boycott Arizona brand drinks

Talk about funny crap!!

What's funny is that the Arizona Iced Tea drinks are canned/bottled in New York state! I know, Isnt that hillarious!!

As for the state of Arizona's new law, they are doing what the national government has failed to do, IMO. Maybe they did it on purpose to force the Obama administration to do something, I dunno. Will there be lines drawn in the sand between the two sides, hell yes. It's unavoidable. But it should be interesting. I think a Texas senator is planning to introduce a similar bill in that state as well.

You are right on

Thanks, and is it true that the Bush administration started building a border wall, which the Obama administration put a stop to?

I think Bush started the wall but was forced to do so (in a way) when he got crushed when he tried the free pass path

And whether the wall is under construction has more to do with congressional funding the Bureau of Land Management (they have stopped the building in one of the most popular crossing areas calling for an environmental impact study and other such bull shit

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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As for the state of Arizona's new law, they are doing what the national government has failed to do, IMO. Maybe they did it on purpose to force the Obama administration to do something, I dunno. Will there be lines drawn in the sand between the two sides, hell yes. It's unavoidable. But it should be interesting. I think a Texas senator is planning to introduce a similar bill in that state as well.

+1.

I view it sorta likes states that have seat belt laws but don't allow officers to pull someone over just for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if North Carolina is next after Texas as we have tons of illegals as well.

Alabama has a shit load of them too. Hmmm.... we have a republican governor, maybe he'll do something. But right now he's busy fighting bingo halls and gambling and keeping the lottery out. ALL of Alabama's neighboring states have state lotteries so you know where most of the money is going... out of state.

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As for the state of Arizona's new law, they are doing what the national government has failed to do, IMO. Maybe they did it on purpose to force the Obama administration to do something, I dunno. Will there be lines drawn in the sand between the two sides, hell yes. It's unavoidable. But it should be interesting. I think a Texas senator is planning to introduce a similar bill in that state as well.

+1.

I view it sorta likes states that have seat belt laws but don't allow officers to pull someone over just for that.

I wouldn't be surprised if North Carolina is next after Texas as we have tons of illegals as well.

Alabama has a shit load of them too. Hmmm.... we have a republican governor, maybe he'll do something. But right now he's busy fighting bingo halls and gambling and keeping the lottery out. ALL of Alabama's neighboring states have state lotteries so you know where most of the money is going... out of state.

Wow. I thought my state was the last to get the lottery.

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I looked up the actual text and found a good synopsis. Here is the meat of the synopsis.

Prohibits law enforcement officials and law enforcement agencies of this state or counties, municipalities and political subdivisions from restricting or limiting the enforcement of the federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.
Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation.
Stipulates that if the person is arrested, the person’s immigration status must be determined before the person is released and must be verified with the federal government.
Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution.
Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:
Ø A valid Arizona driver license.

Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance.

Requires that if a person is convicted of any state or local law, on discharge from imprisonment or on the assessment of any monetary obligation imposed, ICE or U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) must be immediately notified.
Authorizes a law enforcement agency to securely transport an unlawfully present alien to a federal facility.
Requires a law enforcement agency to obtain judicial authorization before securely transporting an unlawfully present alien to a point of transfer that is outside of Arizona.
Prohibits, except as provided in federal law, officials and agencies of counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining information relating to the immigration status, of any individual or exchanging that information with another governmental entity for the following official purposes:
Ø Determination of eligibility for any public benefit, service or license.

Ø Verification of any claim of legal domicile if legal domicile is required by law or judicial order.

Ø If the person is an alien, determination of the person’s compliance with federal registration laws.

Ø Pursuant to federal laws regarding communication between government agencies and federal immigration agencies.

Stipulates that these provisions does not implement, authorize or establish and cannot be construed to implement authorize or establish the REAL ID Act of 2005, including the use of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID).
Allows a person who is a legal resident of this state to bring an action in superior court to challenge officials and agencies of the state, counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions that adopt or implement a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law.
Requires the court to order any that a violating entity pays a civil penalty of at least $1,000 and not to exceed $5,000 for each day that the policy has remained in effect after it has been found to be violating these provisions.
States that the court will collect the penalty and transmit the collected monies to the state Treasurer for deposit in the Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission (GIITEM) Fund.
Authorizes the court to award court costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person or any official or agency that prevails in a case brought under these provisions.
Indemnifies officers against actions brought under these provisions, except if the officer has been adjudged to have acted in bad faith.
Stipulates that these provisions are to be implemented consistent with federal immigration law protecting the civil right of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of US citizens.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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remember rove and ACORN...

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Rove and the Republican chieftains were working nationwide to whip up anti-immigrant hysteria with public busts of illegal voters, even though there were none.

"They wanted some splashy pre-election indictments," Iglesias told me. The former prosecutor, himself a Republican, paid the price when he stood up to this vicious attack on citizenship.

But Secretary of State Brewer followed the Rove plan to a T. The weapon she used to slice the Arizona voter rolls was a 2004 law, known as "Prop 200," which required proof of citizenship to register. It is important to see the Republicans' latest legislative horror show, sanctioning cops to stop residents and prove citizenship, as just one more step in the party's desperate plan to impede Mexican-Americans from marching to the ballot box.

http://www.alternet.org/story/146657/the_real_reason_why_arizona_passed_such_harsh_immigration_laws

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This piece blatantly lies about what the AZ law says.

The AZ law authorizes cops to ask for proof of citizenship only if there is reasonable suspicion to believe the person is an illegal alien. That is: if there is reasonable suspicion the person is a criminal, you get to ask for some evidence that they are not. This has been the law since the constitution was enacted. It is very clear that the cops can not just ask someone for documentation for no reason.

The piece quoted above lies. In my mind, that makes their arguments suspect even when they may appear valid.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.