The diplomatic discussion on using the system to your advantage.

[billvon 2,989]

>And you're still a thief.

Your one warning.

(And as clarification - the statement "doing that to Wal-Mart is dishonest" is fine; "you're a thief" is not.)

[champu 1]

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How many people have you ever heard engage in conversation with their checkout person, about what they intend to do with anything they are purchasing?

I have an amusing tangent related to this question. A couple years ago I had a cutaway during a training camp with my four-way team and my second rig was out of date (doh!) Luckily I was able to borrow a rig for the rest of the day and my rigger came through Saturday night to get my rig back in the air. So Sunday morning I stop by Albertson's right as they open on my way to pick up my rig to buy a bottle of rum for the save.

As I'm checking out, the cashier, an older guy, puts the bottle in a bag and hands it to me with a disapproving look and says very dryly, "happy easter."

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Where is my obligation to disclose my intent.

When I used the term "in bad faith" in an earlier post I was referring to a specific principal. If you actually care to learn why people think what you did was wrong take a look into the concepts of bona fide and mala fide for more information.

[Darius11 12]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=douchebag
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douchebag :A person with a shitty personality that needs to "take themself the fuck down" or "go home and get their fucking shine box." A douchebag usually assumes the form of a hair-gelling pretty-boy but can also be described as an overzealous, pompous, or vexatious asshole that most people wish were killed with a Mortal Kombat fatality.

You’re describing a behavioral trait that I have always wanted to find a name for.
“Douchebag” is a good word for it but not perfect.

I understand what you’re saying. Its much like the greedy bankers, they constantly try to find ways to stay in-between the lines of the law, but at the same time manipulate the system to satisfy there greed.


The Wal-Mart policy is set so most people can feel confident making a purchase there. Your right that they are hoping your feeling or emotions will keep you from returning. However I think you got the name of the feeling wrong. Its called honesty.

When someone lies, or takes advantage of a system for another reason they are lying. Yes the cashier did not ask you what your plans were but you knew and decided to proceed anyway.


That’s the personality that I have always looked down on.

It’s like always asking for a free sample just because you can. Now you are within you legal right to do so, but I am in my legal right to think that’s a douchebag move.

The point of life is not just to take as much as you can.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Gravitymaster 0]

Suppose you chop your main canopy and it lands in a farmers field. The farmer tells you it landed on his property and he has a legal right to keep it but he will sell it back to you for $900. Legally, he has every right to charge for it's return but, I'm sure you would be pissed and claim it wasn't right.

Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. This is what people are trying to make you understand.

[airdvr 210]

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Suppose you chop your main canopy and it lands in a farmers field. The farmer tells you it landed on his property and he has a legal right to keep it but he will sell it back to you for $900. Legally, he has every right to charge for it's return but, I'm sure you would be pissed and claim it wasn't right.

Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. This is what people are trying to make you understand.

He understands...he just doesn't give a shit.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Gravitymaster 0]

Many don't give a shit until the shoe is on the other foot. Then they scream like a baby with a diaper loaded.

[futuredivot 0]

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Your one warning.

(And as clarification - the statement "doing that to Wal-Mart is dishonest" is fine; "you're a thief" is not.)

ok, Ryhs-If you did that dishonest thing to Wal-Mart, Target, 7-11. etc You're a thief

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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the tent was actually in mint condition when i returned it, I cleaned it so it looked like new.

Oh. Well, this thread would be a lot more amusing if you had at least peed in the tent before taking it back.

[1969912 0]

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Why did you lose your drivers license?

My wallet fell out of my pocket when I was riding my electric skateboard home from work, I was living in Australia and only have a New Zealand drivers lisence. it was too much of a mission to replace it before I left. funnily enough it was returned via the police about 10 months later.

Mmm, so an honest person found your license and turned it in.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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the tent was actually in mint condition when i returned it, I cleaned it so it looked like new.

Oh. Well, this thread would be a lot more amusing if you had at least peed in the tent before taking it back.

Considering it was a DZ, that would be the least objectionable suspected DNA sample I would expect.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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the tent was actually in mint condition when i returned it, I cleaned it so it looked like new.

Oh. Well, this thread would be a lot more amusing if you had at least peed in the tent before taking it back.

Considering it was a DZ, that would be the least objectionable suspected DNA sample I would expect.

Good point.

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A few months later in Australia we were earning more than twice of what we were before, becuase we used the system to our advantage.

Nice As someone was wisely summarized above, "The point of life is not just to take as much as you can."

Hopefully you realize that when you look at the big picture "the system" isn't someone else, but rather includes you as well. If everyone used the system to their advantage, then there would cease to be a system left after a while. Doing one's part to NOT be a douche bag ends up helping out everyone, including the non-douche bag, in the end.

But hey, if you can look at yourself in the mirror and not see anything wrong, then all of the other dialogue on here is like trying to explain to a wuffo why we jump.

"Ignorance is bliss" and "Patience is a virtue"... So if you're stupid and don't mind waiting around for a while, I guess you can have a pretty good life!

[rhys 0]

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So...you make 100K a year, lost your ID cruisin' on a skateboard & you're bragging about bangin' Wal-Mart outta 50 bucks! LaughLaughCool

I'm not cappin' on ya man...I just LOVE the variety of people types that are in this sport! Sly

Me too bro, no social boundries in skydiving.

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Oh, and don't be so sure I wouldn't last 10 minutes at your 'hardcore' DZ...I've been floating kegs at boogie bonfires since you were shitting mustard in 3 corner pants...Devil

I'm sure you would, I know you have a good sence of humour as I enjoy many of your posts. As long as you can take what you give, then you'd be fine. I put the word "IF" in that sentece for a specific reason but was making a point.

You did accuse me of being dishonest and untrustworthy, you could not be further from the truth.

these are your words;

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If I were an employer I wouldn't hire someone like that for any job.

If we were jumping at the same place I would NOT leave him alone near my gear.

I had to explain to you how you were mistaken, there are no hard feelings there.

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~callin' someone a Oklahomo is pretty tame compared to getting a kiss on the lips in free-fall from Carl Nelson after he popped the covers on yer capewells.

A kiss lasts a second a name like oklohomo last a lifetime. even his nieces call him 'unclahomo' he hates it but can appreciate how funny it is, oklohomo's awesome.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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Mmm, so an honest person found your license and turned it in.

My whole wallet actually, the nice person found it 10 months later after someone else had found it, took the money out and thrown it in the garden.

There's all sorts out there these days arent there!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Nice Unimpressed As someone was wisely summarized above, "The point of life is not just to take as much as you can."

Which is why people that will work with me in the future will be earning great income, and living a comfortable lifestyle. Our dropzone will be carbon neutral, and our aircraft will be used to track wild kiwi and other wildlife birds as a voluntary donation to the department of conservation. We will help eradicate pests and introduce wild spacies back to areas that will otherwise be forgotten.

Don't pretend to know me or judge me by your meek interpretation of what is fair.

Try being honest with yourself and let me know what it is that i have doene wrong, then you could convince me of a wrong doing.

Some people just can't admit they are wrong. It is always a bitter pill to swallow for anybody, but when you cannot explain yourself, there is a deception involved.

It should be black and white, I can agree to disagree also, but there actually has to be something other than peer pressure to constitute a wrong doing.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[1969912 0]

You should set up a DZ in Lagos. You'd fit right in.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[rhys 0]

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Suppose you chop your main canopy and it lands in a farmers field. The farmer tells you it landed on his property and he has a legal right to keep it but he will sell it back to you for $900. Legally, he has every right to charge for it's return but, I'm sure you would be pissed and claim it wasn't right.

Funnily enough a good friend Of mine had a cutaway and the canopy landed on the LLama Farmers roof, and the LLama farmer hated the skydivers, to cut a long story short he tried to do exactlyu what you just explained, my friend called the police, thay came and made the Llama farmer give the canopy back, if he kept it for any reason, he would be stealing.

The canopy was returend and had tear in the centre cell of the canopy, he is going to patch it with a LLama shaped patch.

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Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. This is what people are trying to make you understand.

I understand clearly, but you actually have to do something wrong to be wrong and you and evwerybody here have still failed to explain what is actually wrong with it.

I admit it feels cheeky, and could be seen as that, but that is more about perception than reality.

Try to explain what is actually wrong or you are simply being a lemming. if you cannot justify your feelings with rational thought you are only lying to yourself.

It seems you have some growing to do, maybe this knee jerk is something you are unable to control. Please try not to insult people unless you actulally understand what it is you are talking about.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[airtwardo 7]

You did accuse me of being dishonest and untrustworthy, you could not be further from the truth.

these are your words;


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If I were an employer I wouldn't hire someone like that for any job.

If we were jumping at the same place I would NOT leave him alone near my gear.

Didn't mean to come off accusatorial, I was however stating a fact...I'd skydive with ya, stand with you drinkin' till we drop.

No doubt...you & I 'could be'-'would be' fast friends.

~ but I wouldn't hire you, that would mean you would be acting as a 'representative' of mine, and you and I just don't agree on business ethics.

My 'values' in that area ,and yours are quite different it would seem, BUT because we don't agree on a few issues...doesn't mean I don't like ya, doesn't mean I don't respect OTHER things about you...I just wouldn't employ you.

...and don't take the gear thing personally, that was a dig at another poster here that gives me shit about how I watch my stuff.

I don't trust ANYBODY around my gear, ask him, hell ASK ANYBODY!!

My apologies, if you took what I said to mean you are dishonest and untrustworthy...I did not, those were your words.


Regardless~

First round is on me!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[rhys 0]

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It's time to go home Rhys.

Your eloquence and integrity are nothing short of outstanding.

You have cornered me into a situation where I must admit I have been completely wrong the whole time.
Although I broke no law, my moral intentions were wrong and I will never ever do it again. My integrity among my peers and their perception of them are most important to me, even if I think something is incorrect I will just go along with the status quo, as not to ruffle any feathers.

Please can I be all of your friends now because I care so much about what you think of me and am so lonely, disappointed, and unsuccessful. I wish to have what you all have, the freedom to say what I want, the guns you have to defend myself and the cheap stuff you have to make my life easier and tastier.

I will ignore my natural instincts and replace them with a social etiquette that will allows me to be successful in the wealthy side of society. I will do as I am told and never expose my true thought publicl again in the possibility that I might upset someone and they may actually be able to convince me I am wrong, .

You are sooooo right bro and I am so wrong.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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No doubt...you & I 'could be'-'would be' fast friends.

~ but I wouldn't hire you, that would mean you would be acting as a 'representative' of mine, and you and I just don't agree on business ethics.

My 'values' in that area ,and yours are quite different it would seem, BUT because we don't agree on a few issues...doesn't mean I don't like ya, doesn't mean I don't respect OTHER things about you...I just wouldn't employ you.

Just as well I work for myself then aye

I'll only let you buy the first round if I can buy the second!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[airtwardo 7]

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No doubt...you & I 'could be'-'would be' fast friends.

~ but I wouldn't hire you, that would mean you would be acting as a 'representative' of mine, and you and I just don't agree on business ethics.

My 'values' in that area ,and yours are quite different it would seem, BUT because we don't agree on a few issues...doesn't mean I don't like ya, doesn't mean I don't respect OTHER things about you...I just wouldn't employ you.

Just as well I work for myself then aye

There ya go, no problem!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Bolas 5]

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Our dropzone will be carbon neutral

How will you accomplish this? It sounds great but unless your plane is solar powered, seems impossible.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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How will you accomplish this? It sounds great but unless your plane is solar powered, seems impossible.

By planting native trees and removing the pests that are destroying them and the Native fauna that resides within, among other things.

There are many organisations that can handle this for you, or you can do it yourself. Skydive Tasmania is carbon neutral, I worked for them a couple of years ago it costs them only $2 a person to do so, there is a system for this, you just have to give a fuck to know about it. Not only is it a good thing to do and will help out our local ecosystem, it will bring customers.

Us kiwis (for the most part) and many of the people that visit NZ care more about the environment than many would ever take the time to consider.

This is our place
We want to look after it!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[rhys 0]

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(And as clarification - the statement "doing that to Wal-Mart is dishonest" is fine; "you're a thief" is not.)

irealise you said that to clarify what is following the forum rules and what is not,

I have to point out to those that seem to be having trouble understanding themselves, that saying "doing that to Wal-Mart is dishonest", may be within the forum rules, but is still a lie and dishonest in itself.

What I did was perfectly honest. No deception. If anybody wants to dispute that, they will have to come up with and explanation to clarify, I'm sure there are plenty that would like to, but none that can deliver.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[kallend 2,026]

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Our dropzone will be carbon neutral

How will you accomplish this? It sounds great but unless your plane is solar powered, seems impossible.

You should read more about sustainability, since clearly you don't understand the concept.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.