Missouri SWAT team kills pitbull and shoots....a fuckin' Corgi?

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A bunch of cops fucked up and killed a Corgi.

From what I've read on this, it sounds like the Corgi was unintentionally shot in the paw and has recovered. Only the pit bull was killed.

Of course, I think it's ridiculous that this sort of thing happens over drugs (especially marijuana), but that's another story.

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Of course, I think it's ridiculous that this sort of thing happens over drugs (especially marijuana), but that's another story.

It's really not. There are cases in which this response is required because there are some really nasty people out there. They thought it was the case with this guy because of his priors but they were wrong. So, like dorbie said, if this is for the officer's protection then they need to remember that it stops right there. They can't just use it as an excuse to go commando.

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Of course, I think it's ridiculous that this sort of thing happens over drugs (especially marijuana), but that's another story.

It's really not. There are cases in which this response is required because there are some really nasty people out there. They thought it was the case with this guy because of his priors but they were wrong. So, like dorbie said, if this is for the officer's protection then they need to remember that it stops right there. They can't just use it as an excuse to go commando.

I meant that I don't think drugs (especially marijuana) should be illegal. I think it's the prohibition, leading to the "nasty people" that sometimes get involved, that is mostly responsible for this situation. That's the part that I think is ridiculous. (But there are plenty of other threads about the legal status of drugs. I don't want to hijack your thread with that topic.)

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Wasn't it, in a way, his fault for putting his family through this?

HE was the known drug dealer.

HE gave police and the judge cause to believe he had something in the house that was illegal.

HE decided to sell and use drugs around his family and child.

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Wasn't it, in a way, his fault for putting his family through this?

HE was the known drug dealer.

HE gave police and the judge cause to believe he had something in the house that was illegal.

HE decided to sell and use drugs around his family and child.

Too bad the police can't use the same tactics to go after men who actually do harm to their families since you pointed out the family and child who were traumatized in this case????

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You both sum it up, there isn't much "right" here. He shouldn't have dragged his wife, kids, and dogs into his crimes but that's no reason for the cops to see them as acceptable collateral damage.

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The thugs did not need to go into a family home all guns blazing .. There had to have been a safer way.

This is the unfortunate picture that a lot of folks around the world see as the American Way ... may not be an entirely accurate picture but that's the PR you get.

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Wasn't it, in a way, his fault for putting his family through this?

HE was the known drug dealer.

HE gave police and the judge cause to believe he had something in the house that was illegal.

HE decided to sell and use drugs around his family and child.

It's called chain of events!

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why did they just not watch the guy closer and pick him up at a time when he was away from the house and then exacute the search warrent while the kids where in school and he was already in custody?
I am thinking "routine" traffic stop to nab him, then go to the house after the school bus picked up the kids// If they really where watching the guy they would have known about the dogs and could have prevented all of this.
i would guess (purely guessing) that his wife would have been a bit more cooparative and placed the dogs outback if the police knocked and asked once the children where safely away from the house and he was cuffed outside in a cop car.. just guessing at that more peacful solution.
As for the dog, what ever happend to tasers or less then leathel escalation of force? I am think pepper spray, then maybe taser before shooting.

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Hey man, you're thinking outside the box, that's great! Too many people on here are pointing out what they did wrong and not pointing out any other possible ways to deal with the situation.

The problem is that a warrant to search a home does not allow them to arrest you down the road, or during a routine traffic stop, or even to arrest you. You can be detained during the search, and then subsequently arrested. (he was subsequently arrested within minutes because they found something, or he had an arrest warrant already issued for him... you'd probably have to get a copy of the warrant and/or report to tell what is going on)

If he leaves the house with the drugs, unless the police see him with the drugs, they wouldn't be able to even pull him over or they'd risk all of the evidence they collected being thrown out in court.

I'd say their goal here is not to "nab" him; it's to search the house. If you conduct the search while everyone is home you can search not only the home, but the vehicles there(as long as that is outlined in the warrant) and search any persons there. I’m not saying the wife was in on it, but I’m sure she knew about it and probably would do anything to help her husband out.

As for using the pepper spray on the dog, it doesn't look like there was enough time to put down the gun and get the pepper spray out. It also doesn't work on a lot of animals. When I got pepper sprayed I could still fight, handcuff, and pry my eye open and put rounds into a target.

The problem with the taser is that it is very hard to direct both probes into an animal. It’s even challenging getting two probes into a person who is not standing vertical.

Contrary to popular belief, stake outs don't happen as often as CSI would make you believe. They may have only witnessed him purchasing drugs a few hours prior to this or they may have even sold him the drugs.

The decision is do they act on they information they have, or collect more information and risk them destroying evidence... or smoking the evidence.

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why did they just not watch the guy closer and pick him up at a time when he was away from the house and then exacute the search warrent while the kids where in school and he was already in custody?
I am thinking "routine" traffic stop to nab him, then go to the house after the school bus picked up the kids// If they really where watching the guy they would have known about the dogs and could have prevented all of this.
i would guess (purely guessing) that his wife would have been a bit more cooparative and placed the dogs outback if the police knocked and asked once the children where safely away from the house and he was cuffed outside in a cop car.. just guessing at that more peacful solution.
As for the dog, what ever happend to tasers or less then leathel escalation of force? I am think pepper spray, then maybe taser before shooting.

Many times those types of search warrants are a "go now" situation in which the narc has information that the illegal drugs are in the house NOW. Before they are cut/used/sold. Typically the language of a search warrant and what a judge wants to see involves having everything together in one place, not traffic stops, etc. That and allowing people to leave and spread out is a huge safety risk. Once someone is out and mobile, they become more of an unknown.

Also, most mid-level to higher-level dealers don't leave their property when they receive a big shipment. They will be there taking care of breaking it down, converting it (to crack for example) and moving it. When they leave, the illegal drugs are either gone or at a much lower quantity.

Why would his wife have been more cooperative, or the kids? I've seen kids as young as 2 run up and start hitting/biting cops because their dirtbag relative was getting arrested! The wife is typically 100% in on the illegal activity at the home as well.

As for tasering a dog, well, I've actually successfully deployed a taser on a pitbull. It was needed to be placed in protective custody for testing and the dog catcher was nearly mauled. To be perfectly honest with you, its a pure luck shot. The spread of taser probes upon being deployed aren't something you can really aim for. On a person the spread is designed to hit a normal sized individual at the right spots. On an animal as small as even a large dog, you turn the device sideways and hope. In my case if the taser probes would have missed, a .40 round would have very quickly followed by another person. "And hope" isn't something that is typically done when safety is a concern.

Although I applaud you for thinking outside the box, your ideas just don't work inside the realm of being legal, realistic and safe.

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