Students Kicked Off Campus for Wearing American Flag Tees on Cinco de Mayo

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What's a little hypocrisy between democrats?

No shit

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Now, should any person have the right to wear a US flag T-shirt into schools? Of course, but if the result is that it could easily instigate a riot, then I say no.

If one is prone to rioting at the sight of their nation's flag, there's your problem. There should be an American flag in every classroom.

and let's face it - Cinco de Mayo seems hardly different than St Patrick's Day - a good reason to eat and drink and party for an event that has very limited meaning anymore, esp for Americans. Do we celebrate Bastille's Day in the US?

You're missing the point and getting excited about the flag shirt itself as if it can't incite violence and is somehow exempt from politicizing. Let's remove the US flag part and put any random character in there. Would it be prudent to let a person wear a shirt/headband/etc with a character on it that could incite a riot? Of course not, but we throw in the US flag and all of the sudden its's on.

If you were teh principle, responsible fo rthe safety and education of 100's of students, you would do teh same thing or eventgually you would be replaced after a riot and you doing nothing to avert it in light of warning signs; they call that gross negligence.

I think you are missing the point - if you deny one group thier expressions - you should deny the others theirs. Isn't that what the big uproar about prayer in school is about?

It was clearly a biased move.

If the prayer in school turned into or could turn into violence, the school would do what they had to, fair or unfair end teh potetmial for violence, even is someone's little feelinsg were steepped on.

You don't understand Nazi-Fascist America, it's about liability and covering your ass, not some silly principle BS. Listen reeeaaaal carefully: THE FUCKING PRINCIPLE DID WHAT HE HAD TO COVER HIS ASS AND DO WHAT HE HAD TO ENSURE THERE WOULD BE NO VIOLENCE. Not because he cared about pussy's little feelings or not, but simpley SO HE WOULDN'T GET SUED. If that's too complicated to understand; sorry. He wasn't protecting, as the neck-baggers would say, the beaners, niggers or who ever else who wasn't white, he was protecting his own sweet ass from being fired or sued.

If you remove that rag that stands for slavery, rape, murder and all the other glorious things and *try* to be objective and realize this could be the crips vs the bloods and colors will not be tollerated, you will find the understanding. Here's a quick hypotheical for you:

A fight breaks out as Mexican-Americans are put off by whites wearing flags. Students are hurt/killed:

School district: Mr Principle, why didn't you ensure there would be no violence?

Mr Principle: I had no idea.

School district: The staff tells us they told you these 2 white kids, who never wore flag-embroidered clothing before, were irritating the Mexican-Americans with their garb today.

Mr Principle: Well sure, they told me but it's their right to wear what they want, esp if it has the US flag on it, it's not as if it is a gang sign or the like.

School district: Right, but it's your responsibility to head-off any potential animosity and if you had required the kids to remove or leave, this could have been averted.

Mr Principle: But this is the flag, not a gang sign.

School district: We don't care, you had the ability to avoid this mess and you failed to when you had the knowledge that trouble was brewing. You're suspended pending investigation.


So *try* to put aside ghey love for the symbol of oppression and think objective; anything that could lead to violence will not be tollerated. School staff who like their jobs do this, ones that don't care don;t and are often gotten rid of.

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What's a little hypocrisy between democrats?

Righties are blinding by their ghey-love for the flag, claimin g it stands for freedom an d liberty, then they enact laws that deprive people of liberty in the name of liberty.

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You're missing the point and getting excited about the flag shirt itself as if it can't incite violence and is somehow exempt from politicizing. Let's remove the US flag part and put any random character in there. Would it be prudent to let a person wear a shirt/headband/etc with a character on it that could incite a riot? Of course not, but we throw in the US flag and all of the sudden its's on.

Inside our borders (might be different in Zimbabwe, of course), the US flag is not the same as a swastica, a gang symbol, or a button that reads "go home, wetbacks." The flag is present all over the school - if it really had the potential to incite violence, the problem is already present.

The VP's own words make it clear why it was done, and it was not for your justification.

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Ever wonder why KKK marches are often refused to be permitted? Knowing it could cause a riot, it's safety over expression; sorry that doesn't make sense to you.

FWIW, those permit refusals are usually unconstitutional, and usually reversed by the courts (at least once it gets to Federal court).

I think many stand, esp with the KKK.

Actually, no. Ever since the ACLU successfully brought suit in 1977 on behalf of the KKK to allow it to conduct a march through the heavily-Jewish Chicago suburb of Skokie, that pretty much set the legal standard that's been followed nation-wide thereafter.

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Wow - you really are anti-American aren't you?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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You're missing the point and getting excited about the flag shirt itself as if it can't incite violence and is somehow exempt from politicizing. Let's remove the US flag part and put any random character in there. Would it be prudent to let a person wear a shirt/headband/etc with a character on it that could incite a riot? Of course not, but we throw in the US flag and all of the sudden its's on.

Inside our borders (might be different in Zimbabwe, of course), the US flag is not the same as a swastica, a gang symbol, or a button that reads "go home, wetbacks." The flag is present all over the school - if it really had the potential to incite violence, the problem is already present.

The VP's own words make it clear why it was done, and it was not for your justification.

A flag on a pole out front is there everyday and should be. 2 white punks who wear Metalica shirts everyday except for May 5 when they wear the AMerican flag twice each is for effect; it says, "Fuck you beaner, go home." If that isn't obvious, then I am truely sorry.

Zimbabwe is not my home, I'm lucky to be born in the country of preference given to some in the way of HC. The profile is not real in case you weren't aware, but ths for trying to make it an ad hominem.

What's wrong with the Swastica? http://rwarn17588.wordpress.com/2006/10/26/swastikas-on-old-arizona-road-maps/ So yes, we actually did support the Swastica at one time.

The VP did it to keep the peace to save his ass. He can't be a silly nationalist and keep his job both, so he choses teh intelligent option. It's saved for people in chat rooms to stick their nationalist chests out and clammer on about the flag as it's free and can't end up in a lawsuit and/or firing from a well-paying job.

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Ever wonder why KKK marches are often refused to be permitted? Knowing it could cause a riot, it's safety over expression; sorry that doesn't make sense to you.

FWIW, those permit refusals are usually unconstitutional, and usually reversed by the courts (at least once it gets to Federal court).

I think many stand, esp with the KKK.

Actually, no. Ever since the ACLU successfully brought suit in 1977 on behalf of the KKK to allow it to conduct a march through the heavily-Jewish Chicago suburb of Skokie, that pretty much set the legal standard that's been followed nation-wide thereafter.

Are you saying that no KKK rally that was denied at teh city/state level has ever been sustained to be denied at the federal level?

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Wow - you really are anti-American aren't you?

No, you are. I appreciate peaceful dissent, you do not.

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Wow - you really are anti-American aren't you?

No, you are. I appreciate peaceful dissent, you do not.

OK - I am convinced - you just say shit to instigate and actually have no real point of view that you believe in.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Wow - you really are anti-American aren't you?

No, you are. I appreciate peaceful dissent, you do not.

OK - I am convinced - you just say shit to instigate and actually have no real point of view that you believe in.

And I am convinced that you are unable to successfully argue the issue so you turn it into a referendum about me.

Also, in order to support your ad hominem, you would have to find a DIRECT contradiction that I made.

So why not go back and address my issue that this was about liability of the school and not some liberal conspiracy to marginalize the flag in lieu of the Mexican holiday.

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Wow - you really are anti-American aren't you?

No, you are. I appreciate peaceful dissent, you do not.

OK - I am convinced - you just say shit to instigate and actually have no real point of view that you believe in.

And I am convinced that you are unable to successfully argue the issue so you turn it into a referendum about me.

Also, in order to support your ad hominem, you would have to find a DIRECT contradiction that I made.

So why not go back and address my issue that this was about liability of the school and not some liberal conspiracy to marginalize the flag in lieu of the Mexican holiday.

I didn't say that it was a conspiracy. I clearly stated that it was a baised decision.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Wow - you really are anti-American aren't you?

No, you are. I appreciate peaceful dissent, you do not.

OK - I am convinced - you just say shit to instigate and actually have no real point of view that you believe in.

And I am convinced that you are unable to successfully argue the issue so you turn it into a referendum about me.

Also, in order to support your ad hominem, you would have to find a DIRECT contradiction that I made.

So why not go back and address my issue that this was about liability of the school and not some liberal conspiracy to marginalize the flag in lieu of the Mexican holiday.

I didn't say that it was a conspiracy. I clearly stated that it was a baised decision.

Yes, the pricipal was biased; he wanted:

- No violence

- To keep his job

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he was protecting his own sweet ass from being fired or sued.

If you think there isn't going to be a lawsuit over this and the way it was handled and his ass is not on the line right now...

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The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions.

Ok. Forget it's the US or Mexican flag. Lets use Disney characters instead. They were celebrating Cinco de Mickey and a few kids that like Goofy more wore Goofy shirts and hats. They said nothing to the Mickey shirt/hat people or tried to start anything, just wore their shirts.

If a VP was worried about an altercation, the best action would be to ban all Disney character clothing, not just one character. The biased treatment to prevent an altercation is what is the issue here, not the fact the VP tried to prevent one.

Two arguments:
* Was intervention even necessary? Unknown.
* Was it handled poorly? Yes.

Added: Just watched the vid on the link. The kids dress like this normally and one is half hispanic as well.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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None that I know of.

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If you think there isn't going to be a lawsuit over this and the way it was handled and his ass is not on the line right now...

Scenario 1: Principal is sued for not letting some POS white punk not wear his flag garb. Damage: Little pussy went home and cried his eyes out.

Result: Rules are established governing the wearing of nationalist garb on certain holidays; all staff will comply withthese bright-line rules.

Scenario 2: Principal is sued for not making students remove garb that did incite a fight, then riot, 2 students killed and several injured. Principal was aware of the issue but chose to ignore it over a person's right to diplay colors.

Result: Prinical lost, owes millions, district owes, teacher fired for poor discretion.

You guys can ramble on all your BS, but it is the MOTHER FUCKING FIRST LEGAL DUTY of a school staffer to provide safety for students, education second, civil/const rts probably not on the chart or waaaay down. Understand the law, will ya?

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Ok. Forget it's the US or Mexican flag. Lets use Disney characters instead. They were celebrating Cinco de Mickey and a few kids that like Goofy more wore Goofy shirts and hats. They said nothing to the Mickey shirt/hat people or tried to start anything, just wore their shirts.

A lot of what happened here is likely not reported. 92% of all communication is non-verbal, so 2 punks who never wore the flag before used their hard-stolen money to go out and buy a flag shirt and a flag bandana to celebrate god damned beaner day. We were all kids, we may have been these guys, we may have been the othrs or we may have just observed these guys from afar; WE GET WHAT HAPPENED HERE. They were prohibited from wearing the garb at all, just on that day to avoid conflict that could have resulted in violence. So in your scenario, you wrote: They said nothing to the Mickey shirt/hat people or tried to start anything, just wore their shirts.


This is your conjeccture vs mine. I think it's obvious the great sentement these kids showed to not remove the bandana or shirt shows they were making a statement; it's quite obvious and I'm not the first here to make that observation.

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If a VP was worried about an altercation, the best action would be to ban all Disney character clothing, not just one character. The biased treatment to prevent an altercation is what is the issue here, not the fact the VP tried to prevent one.

That could work, but then he is crossing lines there too. The VP was in a pinch and chose teh best way LEGALLY to deal with thsi matter that he could.

- Little whiney white boy cries/sues = get over it

- Mexican-Americans cry = VP is an insensitive racist.

So this wasn't a case of bias, it was a case of cover his ass. What you're not getting here is: Don't hate the player, hatethe game. IOW's, the American Imperialist game of chosing which people are in favor is biting our asses here; let's change the game (American philosophy).

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* Was intervention even necessary? Unknown.

We would only know after the bloodshed, then too late for the VP. This was a preemptive act.

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* Was it handled poorly? Yes.

So they should have been allowed to flaunt their, "fuck beaner day" garb?

Would you have just let it work itself out while students could have been hurt?

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Added: Just watched the vid on the link. The kids dress like this normally and one is half hispanic as well.

Love the emboldened part. Hey, the blacks at the court call each other, "nigga" so I thought I would as well. You're so far from understanding this issue that you're stuck in conspiracyland against whitey.

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OMG -- you mean they're letting them be assistant principals now?????

I doubt his personal ethnicity had anything to do with it. If it did, bad on him.

The quote you have seems to refer only to the bandanna kids; the T-shirt kids refused to turn their T-shirts inside out, and that's why they were asked to go to the principal's office.

Wendy P.

So, if a white assistant principal told the hispanic kids they couldn't wear a Mexican flag, it would be racist. But if the hispanic assistant principal tells the white kids they can't wear the American flag, he couldn't be racist? Really? Really?

I love how liberals think only white males are prejudiced and everyone else is virtuous. That assertion alone is prejudiced.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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some POS white punk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8nGNbk7oQ

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Make no mistake, there is a concerted effort underway to annex parts of this country to mexico via attrition. The proof is in the lack of assimilation by mexican immigrants both legal and illegal. When large numbers of europeans and Asians began entering this country they would stick together and create communities within areas(little italy's, chinatowns,etc) to help one another assimilate and create a new life. Indeed you would find extreme loyalty to america in these areas coupled with a pride of the individuals heritage. This couldn't be further from the truth with a majority of Mexicans. Indeed the opposite is true. The demand for a bilingual country is just the first example. The indignation expressed when attempts are made to enforce the laws of our land is another and even more potent example of the true intent of these people. Our government has been complicit in this to be sure, that doesn't however change the intent.

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Maybe you need to learn the history of how the US violently stole most of the present-day southeast US from Mexico during the Mexican War, which (the victors' revisionist history notwithstanding) was instigated by the US almost exclusively for the purpose of expanding territory. Even Ulysses Grant wrote that this should be recorded as a shameful blot on US history. So now the Mexicans are coming back in. Well, tough shit.

As an aside, it would be poetic justice if the native languages of North America reverted back to whence it came before the genocides wrought by the Europeans. Boo hoo, poor picked-upon Anglos.

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OMG -- you mean they're letting them be assistant principals now?????

I doubt his personal ethnicity had anything to do with it. If it did, bad on him.

The quote you have seems to refer only to the bandanna kids; the T-shirt kids refused to turn their T-shirts inside out, and that's why they were asked to go to the principal's office.

Wendy P.

So, if a white assistant principal told the hispanic kids they couldn't wear a Mexican flag, it would be racist. But if the hispanic assistant principal tells the white kids they can't wear the American flag, he couldn't be racist? Really? Really?

I love how everyone thinks only white males are prejudiced and everyone else is virtuous. That assertion alone is prejudiced.

Maybe you missed that day in histroy class where they talked about:

- African slaves

- American Indians

- Women

- Chinese

- Hawaiians

- Japanese-American internment

- On and on and on and on........


Now I hate that I am held accountable for my predecessor white males, but this isn't a tit-for-tat issue. IOW's a balck calling me cracker doesn't have the same sting as me calling him, "boy." Don't be mad at your local black guy, be pissed at your predecessors 5 and 10 generations back.

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some POS white punk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8nGNbk7oQ

I'd make em change their clothing too; wouldn't you? Hillarious.

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Make no mistake, there is a concerted effort underway to annex parts of this country to mexico via attrition. The proof is in the lack of assimilation by mexican immigrants both legal and illegal. When large numbers of europeans and Asians began entering this country they would stick together and create communities within areas(little italy's, chinatowns,etc) to help one another assimilate and create a new life. Indeed you would find extreme loyalty to america in these areas coupled with a pride of the individuals heritage. This couldn't be further from the truth with a majority of Mexicans. Indeed the opposite is true. The demand for a bilingual country is just the first example. The indignation expressed when attempts are made to enforce the laws of our land is another and even more potent example of the true intent of these people. Our government has been complicit in this to be sure, that doesn't however change the intent.

This is the conspiracy part I was referring to.

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Now I hate that I am held accountable for my predecessor white males, but this isn't a tit-for-tat issue. IOW's a balck calling me cracker doesn't have the same sting as me calling him, "boy." Don't be mad at your local black guy, be pissed at your predecessors 5 and 10 generations back.

DAMN those colonists! They should have stayed in England!

Then we wouldn't have all these issues to banter over in SC!

Not even mentioning that pesky little Bill of Rights that keeps having something with Freedom of Speech mentioned . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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some POS white punk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8nGNbk7oQ

I'd make em change their clothing too; wouldn't you? Hillarious.

\Actually I likethis one better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOVrSEVU5fY&feature=related

And no, the chicks in the angel wings don't need to change their clothing.