Andy9o8 2 #76 May 11, 2010 QuoteRandom thoughts: Famous celebrities - is that redundant? I noticed half the people mentioned in this thread are not what I would consider celebrities, but politicians. Are politicians more celebrities than politicians? I've heard it said that politics is show business for ugly people. Anyhow, it's mostly the same, at least above the local level: products manufactured, bought, paid for and sold like detergent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #77 May 11, 2010 I'm sure some of these are covered elsewhere. Alec Guinness - Royal Navy David Niven - Lt. Col. (Sandhurst), British Commandos Desi Arnaz - US Army Martin Balsam - USAAC Lloyd Bentsen - USAAC David Brinkley- US Army Mel Brooks - US Army Lenny Bruce - US Navy Art Buchwald - US Marine Corps James Doohan - Canadian Army Don Adams- USMC Peter Sellers - RAF Ian Fleming - Royal Navy Christopher Lee - RAF Donald Pleasance - RAF Pilot/POW Charlton Heston - USAAF Charles Durning - US Army Ranger Charles Bronson - USAAF Tail Gunner Eddie Albert - US Navy George C. Scott - USMC Brian Keith - USMC Robert Ryan - USMC/OSS Tyrone Power - USMC Pilot Alan Alda - US Army Dennis Franz - US Army Airborne Jay North - US Navy John Russell - USMC Don Bellasario - USMC Hugh Hefner - US Army Sid Caesar - US Coast Guard Art Carney - US Army Johnny Carson - US Navy William Casey - OSS US Navy Warren Christopher - US Navy Lee van Cleef - US Navy Carroll O'Connor - Merchant Marine William Conrad - US Army Air Corps Ken Curtis - US Army Jack Dempsey - US Coast Guard David Dinkins - US Marine Corps Buddy Ebsen - US Coast Guard Norman Fell - US Army Air Corps Gerald Ford - US Navy John Ford - US Navy Daryl Gates - US Navy John Glenn - US Marine Corps Barry Goldwater - US Army Air Corps Joseph Heller - US Army Air Corps William Patrick Hitler - US Navy William Holden - US Army Air Corps Rock Hudson - US Navy E. Howard Hunt - US Navy and US Army Air Corps Daniel Inouye - US Army Chappie James, US Army Air Corps Lyndon B. Johnson - US Navy Russell Johnson - US Army Air Corps James Jones - US Army DeForest Kelley - US Army Air Corps George Kennedy - US Army Jack Kerouac - Merchant Marine Hank Ketcham - US Navy Henry Kissinger - US Army Werner Klemperer - US Army Jack Klugman - US Army Ted Knight - US Army Don Knotts - US Army Ed Koch - US Army Nancy Kulp -, US Navy Burt Lancaster - US Army Tom Landry - US Army Air Corps Frank Lautenberg - US Army Norman Lear - US Army Air Corps Roy Lichtenstein - US Army Charles Lindbergh - flew 50 combat missions as a civilian (was a combat ace...) Norman Mailer - US Army Walter Matthau - US Army Air Corps Joseph McCarthy - US Marine Corps Robert McNamara - US Army Air Corps James A. Michener - US Navy Zero Mostel - US Army Paul Newman - US Navy Tom Poston - US Army Air Corps Mario Puzo - US Army Air Corps Tony Randall - US Army Carl Reiner - US Army Gene Roddenberry - US Army Air Corps Andy Rooney - US Army Telly Savalas - US Army George Schultz - US Marine Corps Charles M. Schulz - US Army Rod Serling - US Army Alan Shepard - US Navy Deke Slayton - US Army Air Corps Robert Stack - US Navy Charles Thone -, US Army Leon Uris - US Marine Corps Kurt Vonnegut -, US Army Mort Walker - US Army George Wallace - US Army Air Corps Sam Walton - US Army Jack Warden - US Army Airborne Jack Webb - US Army Air Corps Caspar Weinberger -, US Army Charles Willeford - US Army Jonathan Winters -n, US Marine Corps Ed Wood - US Marine Corps Howard Zinn - US Army Air Corps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #78 May 11, 2010 I checked up and you are correct. Which is why it is interesting that Fogerty was, himself, a Fortunate One. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #79 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteRonald Reagan.....well, sorta..... he had an EYE PROBLEM and didn't go to fight with the men, he sat home with the bitches and made military training movies. GWB...... oh yea, he was able to play stateside and just walk away. Well, at least you have come to accept the FACT that RR did have poor eyesight. GWB served stateside. GHWB flew in the Pacific. GHWB was the only ho0norable serviceman in a long time, I never brought that in. I'm sure he personally and privately disowns his drug addicted draft-dodging kid. Yea, FR had poor eyesight, but it was good enough to enlist in the guard/reserve in 1937, wasn't an issue until the pussy was called to WWII to fight. Oh and GWB played around with fighters stateside, he never even almost went to Nam. I think you are dead wrong about GHW's opinion of his son. But we'll never know for certain, will we? RR held down a desk. It doesn't take very good eyesight to do that. It's my opinion vs yours, but GHWBnever brags him up, so the silence is deafening - acquiescence. No, doing a desk job or making movies requires little eyesight, but whne he was guard/reserve for 5 years before, gotta wonder how he slid past that. Quite obvious his eyesight was sufficent, when it came to going to war to perhaps die, the men go, the cowards flee. And this wasn't VN, this was where the greatest generation saved our asses. With all the proxy wars over ideological disputes, this one was actually over freedom and these were really tough guys stepping up. My dad's brother died in Germany in WWII, my dad served in Korea, well, in that period in N Africa. Reagan's a cunt, even if you like his failed politics and failed economic policies, he's a cunt. Maybe if you actually knew something about how the military was run in those times and the sequence of events that led to him getting into the service you wouldn't sound so fucking stupid when you accuse people of dodging military service when the FACT is that physical disablities stand in their way. My father served in the Merchant Marine and i woanted very much to join the Navy, but this little thing called spina bifida made me ineligible. Reagan actually volunteered for active duty and was at first turned down, then accepted for non-combat duty only after he insisted on a second physical. But I, nor anyone else here, expects you to pay any attention to the facts. Your too busy watching Perry Mason and Matlock to take time and actually learn anything.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #80 May 11, 2010 QuoteI don't think the Kent State killers were very honorable. Concur. They should have been prosecuted, but I would refuse to condemn an entire profession because of the acts of a few of its members. If we did, we would also count medicine (Josef Mangele), KFC franchisees (John Wayne Gacy), university professors (Ted Kaczynski), and the music industry (Rick Astley) as less than honorable pursuits.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #81 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't think the Kent State killers were very honorable. Concur. They should have been prosecuted, but I would refuse to condemn an entire profession because of the acts of a few of its members. If we did, we would also count medicine (Josef Mangele), KFC franchisees (John Wayne Gacy), university professors (Ted Kaczynski), and the music industry (Rick Astley) as less than honorable pursuits. Concur, and equally we shouldn't hold an entire profession as honorable on account of the heroism of some of its members. Honor/dishonor goes with the individual, not with the profession.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnmatrix 21 #82 May 11, 2010 Roald Dahl Jean Paul Sartre Albert Camus (French resistance) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #83 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuote Membership in the National Guard is an honorable form of military service. To imply it is not, at any level, denigrates thousands of members serving today. I don't think the Kent State killers were very honorable. Neither were the less-than-intelligent students who threw rocks at them and got innocent people killed.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #84 May 12, 2010 Quote Neither were the less-than-intelligent students who threw rocks at them and got innocent people killed. That is as morally abhorrent a stance as talking about women who get themselves raped by wearing short skirts.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #85 May 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Membership in the National Guard is an honorable form of military service. To imply it is not, at any level, denigrates thousands of members serving today. I don't think the Kent State killers were very honorable. Neither were the less-than-intelligent students who threw rocks at them and got innocent people killed. The President's Commission on Campus Unrest concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable." Are you sure you want to go there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #86 May 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Membership in the National Guard is an honorable form of military service. To imply it is not, at any level, denigrates thousands of members serving today. I don't think the Kent State killers were very honorable. Neither were the less-than-intelligent students who threw rocks at them and got innocent people killed. The President's Commission on Campus Unrest concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable." Are you sure you want to go there? I will reply to your post and lucky's at the same time. My comments are based upon the events of those days as told to me by people who were there. One man was a teacher of mine in high school, the other a close friend of my family. BOTH of them have said the same thing, that the students who were the first to start throwing things at the NG that day had went to that area with the intent of inciting a violent reaction from the NG. Well, they got what they wanted. Unfortunately the troops that were sent were mostly undertrained and unsure of what to do. Even more unfortunately, students were killed who had nothing to do with the protests other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. What happened that day would not have happened had the government sent troops who were more experienced with crowds. They should also NOT have been given live ammo. That was a stupid thing to do. It also would not have happened had the protesters not started throwing objects at the troops. It is a pretty stupid thing to throw rocks at men armed with rifles. Argue what you will, my opinion of what happened is shaped by two men who were there and watched it happen. They, as well as myself, agree with the statement you quoted from the Presidents Commision. What most people don't acknowledge is the fact that the protesters were not innocent little angels. They went looking for trouble, they found it, and they got people killed.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 0 #87 May 12, 2010 QuoteI'm sure some of these are covered elsewhere. Alec Guinness - Royal Navy David Niven - Lt. Col. (Sandhurst), British Commandos Desi Arnaz - US Army Martin Balsam - USAAC Lloyd Bentsen - USAAC David Brinkley- US Army Mel Brooks - US Army Lenny Bruce - US Navy Art Buchwald - US Marine Corps James Doohan - Canadian Army Don Adams- USMC Peter Sellers - RAF Ian Fleming - Royal Navy Christopher Lee - RAF Donald Pleasance - RAF Pilot/POW Charlton Heston - USAAF Charles Durning - US Army Ranger Charles Bronson - USAAF Tail Gunner Eddie Albert - US Navy George C. Scott - USMC Brian Keith - USMC Robert Ryan - USMC/OSS Tyrone Power - USMC Pilot Alan Alda - US Army Dennis Franz - US Army Airborne Jay North - US Navy John Russell - USMC Don Bellasario - USMC Hugh Hefner - US Army Sid Caesar - US Coast Guard Art Carney - US Army Johnny Carson - US Navy William Casey - OSS US Navy Warren Christopher - US Navy Lee van Cleef - US Navy Carroll O'Connor - Merchant Marine William Conrad - US Army Air Corps Ken Curtis - US Army Jack Dempsey - US Coast Guard David Dinkins - US Marine Corps Buddy Ebsen - US Coast Guard Norman Fell - US Army Air Corps Gerald Ford - US Navy John Ford - US Navy Daryl Gates - US Navy John Glenn - US Marine Corps Barry Goldwater - US Army Air Corps Joseph Heller - US Army Air Corps William Patrick Hitler - US Navy William Holden - US Army Air Corps Rock Hudson - US Navy E. Howard Hunt - US Navy and US Army Air Corps Daniel Inouye - US Army Chappie James, US Army Air Corps Lyndon B. Johnson - US Navy Russell Johnson - US Army Air Corps James Jones - US Army DeForest Kelley - US Army Air Corps George Kennedy - US Army Jack Kerouac - Merchant Marine Hank Ketcham - US Navy Henry Kissinger - US Army Werner Klemperer - US Army Jack Klugman - US Army Ted Knight - US Army Don Knotts - US Army Ed Koch - US Army Nancy Kulp -, US Navy Burt Lancaster - US Army Tom Landry - US Army Air Corps Frank Lautenberg - US Army Norman Lear - US Army Air Corps Roy Lichtenstein - US Army Charles Lindbergh - flew 50 combat missions as a civilian (was a combat ace...) Norman Mailer - US Army Walter Matthau - US Army Air Corps Joseph McCarthy - US Marine Corps Robert McNamara - US Army Air Corps James A. Michener - US Navy Zero Mostel - US Army Paul Newman - US Navy Tom Poston - US Army Air Corps Mario Puzo - US Army Air Corps Tony Randall - US Army Carl Reiner - US Army Gene Roddenberry - US Army Air Corps Andy Rooney - US Army Telly Savalas - US Army George Schultz - US Marine Corps Charles M. Schulz - US Army Rod Serling - US Army Alan Shepard - US Navy Deke Slayton - US Army Air Corps Robert Stack - US Navy Charles Thone -, US Army Leon Uris - US Marine Corps Kurt Vonnegut -, US Army Mort Walker - US Army George Wallace - US Army Air Corps Sam Walton - US Army Jack Warden - US Army Airborne Jack Webb - US Army Air Corps Caspar Weinberger -, US Army Charles Willeford - US Army Jonathan Winters -n, US Marine Corps Ed Wood - US Marine Corps Howard Zinn - US Army Air Corps James Blunt - British Army, Cavalry (served in Kosovo) Nick Gravity- It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smurfmws 0 #88 May 12, 2010 Jimi Hendrix, 101st Airborne never left the states he claimed for years that he broke his ankle and was medically discharged. but it turns out that he told his commanding officer he was having homosexual thoughts about men in his platoon and was kicked out for being gay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #89 May 12, 2010 Quote Jimi Hendrix, 101st Airborne never left the states he claimed for years that he broke his ankle and was medically discharged. but it turns out that he told his commanding officer he was having homosexual thoughts about men in his platoon and was kicked out for being gay. So maybe the lyrics really were, " 'scuse me while I kiss this guy"? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #90 May 12, 2010 Quote but the primary purpose is to kill "enemies". my primary purpose is to pull a trigger on my gun... When you'll see me shooting, you'll understand that ANY kill would be a collateral damage (actually it's not true, I was an artillery officer)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #91 May 12, 2010 QuoteIt also would not have happened had the protesters not started throwing objects at the troops. It is a pretty stupid thing to throw rocks at men armed with rifles. The intent and intelligence of the protestors is completely irrelevant - they did not make the National Guard start shooting, they did not get anyone killed. The men who fired (at people who were mostly hundreds of yards away) were the only people present who were responsible for getting anyone killed. To repeat myself, it's like saying women who dress provocatively are responsible for provoking their rapists.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #92 May 12, 2010 QuoteRoald Dahl Jean Paul Sartre Albert Camus (French resistance)Antoine de Saint Exupéryscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #93 May 12, 2010 Quote James Blunt - British Army, Cavalry (served in Kosovo) The title says celeb not twat (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 0 #94 May 12, 2010 Quote Quote James Blunt - British Army, Cavalry (served in Kosovo) The title says celeb not twat I hope your not showing somebody who has served his country any disrespect;) Depends on what is defined as "Famous Celebrities", but the current Miss England, Katrina Hodge is currently serving. Nick Gravity- It's not just a good idea, it's the LAW! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #95 May 12, 2010 QuoteJimi Hendrix, 101st Airborne never left the states he claimed for years that he broke his ankle and was medically discharged. but it turns out that he told his commanding officer he was having homosexual thoughts about men in his platoon and was kicked out for being gay. That's not really substantiated. Fuller details from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_hendrix#In_the_Army QuoteIn the Army Hendrix got into trouble with the law twice for riding in stolen cars. He was given a choice between spending two years in prison or joining the Army. Hendrix chose the latter and enlisted on May 31, 1961. After completing boot camp, he was assigned to the 101st Airborne Division and stationed in Fort Campbell, Kentucky. His commanding officers and fellow soldiers considered him to be a subpar soldier: he slept while on duty, had little regard for regulations, required constant supervision, and showed no skill as a marksman. For these reasons, his commanding officers submitted a request that Hendrix be discharged from the military after he had served only one year. Hendrix did not object when the opportunity to leave arose.[32] He would later tell reporters that he received a medical discharge after breaking his ankle during his 26th parachute jump. The rock music journalist Charles Cross contended in his biography of Hendrix, Room Full of Mirrors (2005) that Hendrix faked being homosexual—claiming to have fallen in love with a fellow soldier—in order to be discharged, but did not produce credible evidence to support this contention. Anyhow, the dude had 26 jumps. Scuze him while he kisses the sky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyguy78 0 #96 May 12, 2010 Quote Quote Quote James Blunt - British Army, Cavalry (served in Kosovo) The title says celeb not twat I hope your not showing somebody who has served his country any disrespect;) Depends on what is defined as "Famous Celebrities", but the current Miss England, Katrina Hodge is currently serving. I wish I would have been able to serve with Katrina Hodge, she is beautiful. Thats one thing I do notice, the Brits do represent, regardless of status.There is a fine line between being a hopeless romantic and a stalker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #97 May 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt also would not have happened had the protesters not started throwing objects at the troops. It is a pretty stupid thing to throw rocks at men armed with rifles. The intent and intelligence of the protestors is completely irrelevant - they did not make the National Guard start shooting, they did not get anyone killed. The men who fired (at people who were mostly hundreds of yards away) were the only people present who were responsible for getting anyone killed. To repeat myself, it's like saying women who dress provocatively are responsible for provoking their rapists. So, what you are saying is that these kids weren't at fault, in any way, shape, or form. I also conclude from your responses that you would just stand there and do nothing if someone starts throwing stuff at you. That would be an interesting experiment . . . we should see what response that brings.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #98 May 12, 2010 QuoteI also conclude from your responses that you would just stand there and do nothing if someone starts throwing stuff at you. That would be an interesting experiment . . . we should see what response that brings. I wouldn't shoot other people who weren't throwing things. I'm fairly certain of that. The Kent State thing was a giant cock-up, and there really is no excuse for the actions of the National Guard soldiers that day. And I'm talking from the Governor all the way down the chain. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #99 May 12, 2010 I agree there, but do you not agree that it took provocation? Who did the provoking?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #100 May 12, 2010 The job requirements of people who carry weapons for a living includes the ability to withstand provoking. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
