Belgian_Draft 0 #1 May 11, 2010 QuoteWASHINGTON - Sen. Robert Menendez is urging the Major League Baseball Players Association to boycott next year's All Star Game in Phoenix over the recently passed Arizona law to crack down on illegal immigrants http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37067954/ns/politics/ What say ye?HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #2 May 11, 2010 Arizona played the Astros here in H-town last week, there were about 150 protesters holding signs...they were met with general disdain even by the anti-big brother fans. Baseball is not the place, leave it alone! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZzeEaBHUBM&feature=related ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #3 May 11, 2010 Quote Baseball is not the place, leave it alone! Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #4 May 11, 2010 QuoteArizona played the Astros here in H-town last week, there were about 150 protesters holding signs...they were met with general disdain even by the anti-big brother fans. Baseball is not the place, leave it alone! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZzeEaBHUBM&feature=related The NFL refused to give us the SB until the necks here adopted MLK day; why not this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #5 May 11, 2010 QuoteThe NFL refused to give us the SB until the necks here adopted MLK day; why not this? baseball already respects and honors the negro leagues.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #6 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe NFL refused to give us the SB until the necks here adopted MLK day; why not this? baseball already respects and honors the negro leagues. Yea, but AZ doesn't respect anyone but ole whitey; kinda clear by their actions. This isn't about baseball, this is about AZ. It's baseball's job to let AZ what they think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #7 May 11, 2010 baseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #8 May 11, 2010 QuoteWhat say ye? Not only should baseball not pull the All Star Game, but if baseball does pull the All Star Game out of Arizona, then it should lose its antitrust exemption. Nor do I have any respect for a federal politician asking baseball to solve a problem that, thus far, the federal government has lacked the courage to solve. Even though I am strongly anti-illegal immigration, and therefore disagree with Sen Menendez, I would have some respect for him if he would say, look, immigration reform is necessary NOW and even as a Democrat, all co-operation with Obama is suspended until Obama addresses immigration. That's what Sen Menendez should be doing if he feels strongly about this issue. To ask baseball to do a job that Sen Menendez could be doing for himself right there in Washington is the coward's way out."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 May 11, 2010 Quotebaseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #10 May 11, 2010 QuoteThe NFL refused to give us the SB until the necks here adopted MLK day; why not this? Well intra alia the NFL doesn't have a federal antitrust exemption so I don't think they have as strong an obligation to stay out of federal politics as baseball does. There are other considerations too but on the strength of the antitrust exemption alone baseball needs to stay out of this."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #11 May 11, 2010 Quote We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. well then...how bout we settle this with a poker match instead...I'm all in.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #12 May 11, 2010 QuoteYea, but AZ doesn't respect anyone but ole whitey... There are many Latinos who also oppose illegal immigration. Recent legal immigrants tend to be the group most hurt by illegal immigration. The AZ law is, IMHO, about pushing the federal government to take action. Parts of the AZ law will probably be struck down by the courts but this is an issue on which the feds do seem to need a push."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #13 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuotebaseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. Baseball doesn't ignore any race color or creed. Baseball hires blacks, whites, orientals, hispanics, jews, catholics, protestants, irish, methodists and so-on and so-on. Why should they have to 'pay'? Politics has absolutely no business in baseball or any other sport. The new law in Arizona has nothing to do with baseball. Some elements of our society just take things too damned far. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #14 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe NFL refused to give us the SB until the necks here adopted MLK day; why not this? Well intra alia the NFL doesn't have a federal antitrust exemption so I don't think they have as strong an obligation to stay out of federal politics as baseball does. There are other considerations too but on the strength of the antitrust exemption alone baseball needs to stay out of this. This isn't that complicated, it's just a social/moral obligation. Not to mention the rate of Latino players in the MLB is higher than any other ball sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #15 May 11, 2010 Quote Quote We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. well then...how bout we settle this with a poker match instead...I'm all in. But you've got a pair of 2's, that's the problem, that side has nothing to back their position with so they decide they want to subject all brown people random searches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #16 May 11, 2010 QuoteThere are many Latinos who also oppose illegal immigration. Yep and so do I, but they, as I also oppose random harrassment with the lowest standard of all 4 standards; Reasonable Suspicion. QuoteRecent legal immigrants tend to be the group most hurt by illegal immigration. Yes and hurt by the redneck groups out to shake all brown people by the ankles to weed out the illegals. QuoteThe AZ law is, IMHO, about pushing the federal government to take action. By making legally born citizens dime out their parents who immigrated here to birth them, nowthey have to repay that by diming them out or being felons themselves. The only act the feds will take is to strike this racist law. Also, the Feds spend billion per year on this, how are tehy not taking action? QuoteParts of the AZ law will probably be struck down by the courts but this is an issue on which the feds do seem to need a push. Most or all of it will be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuotebaseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. Baseball doesn't ignore any race color or creed. Baseball hires blacks, whites, orientals, hispanics, jews, catholics, protestants, irish, methodists and so-on and so-on. Why should they have to 'pay'? Politics has absolutely no business in baseball or any other sport. The new law in Arizona has nothing to do with baseball. Some elements of our society just take things too damned far. Chuck They aren't paying, they are showing social repsonsibility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #18 May 11, 2010 Are you from Arizona by chance? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #19 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuotebaseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. Baseball doesn't ignore any race color or creed. Baseball hires blacks, whites, orientals, hispanics, jews, catholics, protestants, irish, methodists and so-on and so-on. Why should they have to 'pay'? Politics has absolutely no business in baseball or any other sport. The new law in Arizona has nothing to do with baseball. Some elements of our society just take things too damned far. Chuck Hispanics are likely the majority ethnic group among MLB employees, or at least a VERY strong minority. As respectful employers, the MLB teams should not be coercing their people to travel somewhere where they can be singled out on the basis of their ethnicity. If I found out an upcoming job was in a place where my employees weren't welcome, and there were hundreds of other places that would bend over backwards for my people, I'd send them somewhere more enjoyable. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #20 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotebaseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. Baseball doesn't ignore any race color or creed. Baseball hires blacks, whites, orientals, hispanics, jews, catholics, protestants, irish, methodists and so-on and so-on. Why should they have to 'pay'? Politics has absolutely no business in baseball or any other sport. The new law in Arizona has nothing to do with baseball. Some elements of our society just take things too damned far. Chuck They aren't paying, they are showing social repsonsibility. why is color an issue? illegal is illegal, by the way, were are your papers? from what you post i think you might need to go also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #21 May 11, 2010 What I'm getting at is, baseball is doing right but they are 'paying' for it by not being able to play a game because of some political thing that everyone is in an uproar about and damned few people even know entirely what it's about. The whole mess is BS. If, they want to protest... do it at the Capital building. those are the folks who started it all. Why, inflict this on baseball??????????? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #22 May 11, 2010 The Civil Rights Game is being played in Cincy this weekend. Baseball can be somewhat political however, the civil rights game is about righting a wrong of the negro leagues. Current immigration debates are not the negro leagues, there are NUMEROUS players that are legal immigrants, visa holders etc. These individuals followed the rules to come here and play ball, maybe we could learn something from that alone. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #23 May 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotebaseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. Baseball doesn't ignore any race color or creed. Baseball hires blacks, whites, orientals, hispanics, jews, catholics, protestants, irish, methodists and so-on and so-on. Why should they have to 'pay'? Politics has absolutely no business in baseball or any other sport. The new law in Arizona has nothing to do with baseball. Some elements of our society just take things too damned far. Chuck Hispanics are likely the majority ethnic group among MLB employees, or at least a VERY strong minority. As respectful employers, the MLB teams should not be coercing their people to travel somewhere where they can be singled out on the basis of their ethnicity. If I found out an upcoming job was in a place where my employees weren't welcome, and there were hundreds of other places that would bend over backwards for my people, I'd send them somewhere more enjoyable. Blues, Dave Of course. The protection of employees like athletes is of utmost importance. The way I see it, there's too many self centered, egocentric people who believe they are more important than anyone else and do not consider the effects of their actions on others... it's all about them. In this case, they are stepping into an area they do not belong. They don't need to take their 'cause' to major league or little league sports. This verges on the attacks on Olympic athletes in the past. Athletes just want to play their game and don't need a bunch of political hot-heads endangering their lives. Like I said earlier... a majority of these protesters don't have a clue but by golly, they're going to get into the mix. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #24 May 11, 2010 QuoteThese individuals followed the rules to come here and play ball, maybe we could learn something from that alone.Well, for most of them, the rules were a lot easier. Have a unique or targeted skill? (like, for instance, being able to hit a baseball, or being a nurse) -- go to the front of the line Have a US Citizen spouse? If yes, do they have money for a lawyer to help you through the byzantine rules? If no, wait a somewhat long time. If yes, wait a more expensive but shorter time. Have other immediate family members in the US? Wait a long fucking time, depending on the nationality Just want to immigrate but don't have a unique skill? Tough shit Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #25 May 11, 2010 Quotebaseball has nothing to do with anything other than baseball... we just want them to play... it's a miracle we ever survived the strikes... no drama...PLEASE! Play ball! We're all a part of this society, we can't ignore some parts an recognoze others. Baseball doesn't ignore any race color or creed. Baseball hires blacks, whites, orientals, hispanics, jews, catholics, protestants, irish, methodists and so-on and so-on. Why should they have to 'pay'? Politics has absolutely no business in baseball or any other sport. The new law in Arizona has nothing to do with baseball. Some elements of our society just take things too damned far. Chuck They aren't paying, they are showing social repsonsibility. why is color an issue? illegal is illegal, by the way, were are your papers? from what you post i think you might need to go also. See...damm it! This is what happens with these laws... First you give law enforcement more authority and a license for racial profiling..Strike One! - Fastball right down the middle... Then they take baseball away from the fans (eventhough they mean well)...Strike two! - Curve ball, I don't think he was ready for that one. Then other States start to follow suit like Michigan and the law REALLY becomes less of a color issue and soon we're ALL subject to random searches...Strike three, You're out! - Change up...That one gets him everytime.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
