riddler 0 #26 May 19, 2010 Quotei can't help but find it highly hypocritical the way so many people cry and rant about the "horror" of this spill, and then turn around and continue to enjoy their plastic filled, gas guzzling lifestyles. You're generalizing the issue into a broader argument. This is one oil company, in a business that has five others of equal size and hundreds of smaller ones. This one company appears to be guilty of not following procedures, killing their own people and causing irreparable harm to the gulf. Saying we are responsible for their actions of this one company is like saying we are guilty of making the largest banks fail because we gave them money to invest badly. BP bears the responsibility for this disaster, and they need to be punished. Law-abiding and safety-conscious oil companies need not be condemned. Nor does the consumer, who has a right to assume that their supplier is following the laws and regulations. Not surprisingly, Exxon has become one of the more environmental and safe oil companies since the Valdez spill. Putting that same pressure on BP may do the same thing.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 May 19, 2010 QuoteQuoteLarge fines could be warranted, but criminal sentencing guidelines are quite different from what your emotional response is dictating. I disagree. This is not an emotional response, this is a reasoned one. To company officers, fines (even as large as those mentioned earlier in the thread of upwards of $20 million) are a slap on the wrist. To ensure corporate officers take safety seriously, they need to be punished in a way that ensures they can never again have the same kind of responsibility and it needs to serve as a very serious warning to all other corporate officers as well. Again, have you actually seen the report yet? Nope - priority goes to those who pay me. But I don't need to see it to know that problems with altering the guidelines of criminal sentencing after the fact. Violating this is an emotional response, no matter what you think to the contrary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #28 May 19, 2010 So, days later you still can't take the time away from work to watch an actual report because you claim, "priority goes to those who pay me" yet you still find time to post while AT work. Yeah, that's credible and not hypocritical in any way.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 May 19, 2010 QuoteSo, days later you still can't take the time away from work to watch an actual report because you claim, "priority goes to those who pay me" yet you still find time to post while AT work. Yeah, that's credible and not hypocritical in any way. Watching video requires full attention. Reading, and remembering we have a Constitution is fast. It's been 36 hours since your initial posting, not DAYS. A single day since I've seen it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #30 May 21, 2010 A thread I picked up from another board. Most of it's way over my head but it's still a good read. It spans the situation from the technical side to discussions about blame and consequence. http://gcaptain.com/forum/offshore/4805-deepwater-horizon-transocean-oil-rig-fire.html Elvisio "if I can make a url, anyone can" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #31 May 21, 2010 And for some discussion about how to remediate the oil leaks, see this thread: http://www.flickr.com/photos/uscgd8/4551846015/page9/ "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
