kallend 2,106 #101 May 28, 2010 Quote I have no problem with my posts Post of the month.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #102 May 28, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote What part of "everything else" (your words) do you not understand? (PS a lot of that waste came from your precious DoD). Keep reading "everything else the government does" Stop playing semantics. Let me rephrase.... everything the government wastes money on....] OK, but you actually wrote "Or just piss it away on everything else the Govt. does which far exceeds the money spent on the war". You haven't shown that the waste you cited exceeded the cost of the war Bush waged under false pretenses. Far from it. Yes I did if you read the link..... that same string over and over... you cannot help it can you. Anyway, the point is its all waste to me. I think you misunderestimate the cost of Bush's war. When all is added up, including continuing healthcare for injured servicemen, it is well over $1 Trillion. Quote Ok Kall..... one more time. I do NOT like the waste! Right, what you define as appropriate spending is not waste, what others want is waste; we get you. Quote The DoD needs to cut back as well. Oh, how much? Not counting Iraq/AFG spending we match teh world, so what do ya think, we cut it in half? Or 10% and cut all social programs? Quote I am not a fan of war unless it needs to happen which I do believe SOMETIMES it does. And you feel Iraq/AFG need to happen, so you are for war, right? Come on out and take a stance for once. Quote Stop making this about Bush. Who provided BS intek to congress and pushed for war making it an unpatriotic move to vote againstg it? Who kept pushing for more war money? Quote The point is the US Govt. pisses money away every day. And most of teh debt is directly atrributable to Reagan and GWB, indirectly virtually all of it. Quote Bush did it now Obama is doing it on a larger scale. http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/growth-federal-spending-revenue Math not your strong suit? Or is it geometry? Should be easy to see that once again you're wrong. Quote It needs to STOP! Get my point yet? Yes, tax cuts and kill all social programs. Quote There you are... I was starting to worry about you. I figured you were hiding bc of the market Like I told you 7 months ago with your genius prediction that the market was oversold and would crash, IF YA HANG AROUND LONG ENOUGH, IT WILL HAPPEN. Sports touts do it to, clammer about a result and eventually it happens and they claim genius. Even after this Europe-initiated mini crash, the market, GDP, unemp is still better than under your hero - A LOT FUCKING BETTER. Quote So I skimmed through your response... pretty much the usual crap. AKA cherry picked and avoided the tough stuff. Quote One thing I did notice though... the "take a stance" bit. I don't know how many times I have to say something to be demmed a stance but I feel the Iraq war over all was a waste. I think some positive things came out of it but it was a waste of tax money and more importantly ... American lives! The Afgan war or military Op. is necessary I think. So you agree with Obama COMPLETELY then? That's his take too. Quote What's that I hear? Oh it's you balming Bush again....... wow... shocker. Your boy is racking up way more debt and faster than Ronnie or W did. You love him so much why can't you just acept that and admit it's true? He inherited a balanced budget and a surplus, left teh worst economy since the Great Depression; why can't yopu admit thta? It took > 10 years to unfuck the GD, yet if Obama doesn't fix it in 2 weeks he's the devil. Most of the cause now is not due to spending, it's due to hammered receipts. Unlike you, I will back that: http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/growth-federal-spending-revenue See and as of the start of 09 to 2010 spending is shaded off and revs are up from massively down. Look at that fucking mess, either we raise taxes as Hoover did (not a bad idea) or we deficit spend. Or as you want, just let it fix itself. Since you guys whine about taxes, even tho they are damn near as low as they were in teh 1920's leading to the Great Depression, Obama won't touch that, so then we deficit spend. Ya can't have it all, higher taxes, deficit spend, cut the militayr in half; you pick. Or your choice, throw granny out in the street. Quote I mean Obama is doing what you want him to ... he is prionting money and pumping tax money in to social programs so I don't get why you deny its happening. I get you don't see it as waste but it is still happening. What special programs? The militayr as you like? Sure he is. What special program? The stimulus? History not a strong point? Look what Hoover did - nothing - and it devastated us. 2.5 years later the biggest ever income tax in history; 25% to 63%. Quote P.s. What was that I said about the market? What did you say? Yup you still have no clue. Missed you I haven't gone anywhere, you ran and declined your own words, then 7 months later European trouble made you think teh US market was weak as it respoonded by losing what, 1100 points? And some of that was probably due to the error leading to shaky confidence. The market still is strong and I am very happy with its performance while you glaot it is falling. Oh, and congratulations, even though you had to wait 7 months for a small dip, your dream of the US market falling is coming ot fruition you real American you. Now go get them shorts and hope for more American loss. Same bullshit from you! Your rhetoric is worse than the 24 hr news channels. Lucky just to let you know ... 7 months in the market is not that long at all. You make it sound like I said it could happen and a couple yrs later it moved down. 7 months and it gave up a ton of what it had climbed. The economy and market is a house of cards. Your boy is adding to the problems just like W did. 7 months isn't long when you make an open-ended projection. All you have to do is wait and EVENTUALLY you will be right. I love it when guys like you, I believe it was you who said the market is just fluctuating and then posted a daily chart of the DJIA, now you say 7 months isn't long; any argument becomes relevant when you can transpose long for short and short for long . As for same BS, here's some more same BS: +284 pts today. Boom baby, bad news for those who want to see America fail, that's you, Stanley. So that oh, so temp dip . Don't worry, Nostradamus, another mini crash will be right around the corner for you to celebrate. How is Obama adding to the problem? Love your typical assertions with no relevance or support. His reacction to your boy's recession has brought the market, the GDP and unemployment under control and huge gains in some areas, yet you want to assert he is fucking it up with, of course, no supporting ev. I know, you responded before teh huge gainer today, time to rethink your shorts, or perhaps clean theem out after today. Funny how the REAL AMERICANS want the US to fail and the so-called non-Americans want to to succeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #103 May 28, 2010 QuoteQuote billvon was among many (my mother as well) who believed in 2004 we couldn't leave, had to continue the nation building concept that failed so badly. Somewhere along the way they dropped that notion. A really cynical person might think they wanted the military to fail, in order to hurt the GOP. I hate to break this to you, but we invaded in 2003, not 2004. NO SHIT!? Maybe that's why I wrote words like "had to continue" and "couldn't leave" when talking about the second phase of the war. Must be past your bedtime in Chicago. Quote What do you think we should have done once we'd bombed the hell out of Iraq chasing a chimera? Said "Ooops, sorry", and buggered off leaving them to clean up the mess? It's the typical role played by the winner. It's what we did in 1991. And what do you think happens to Iraq when we leave? What if the Democrats had succeeded in 2007 in forcing the pullout then? No different, but leaving in 2004 would have saved them 6 years of fighting with our guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #104 May 28, 2010 Quote Quote Quote billvon was among many (my mother as well) who believed in 2004 we couldn't leave, had to continue the nation building concept that failed so badly. Somewhere along the way they dropped that notion. A really cynical person might think they wanted the military to fail, in order to hurt the GOP. I hate to break this to you, but we invaded in 2003, not 2004. NO SHIT!? Maybe that's why I wrote words like "had to continue" and "couldn't leave" when talking about the second phase of the war. Must be past your bedtime in Chicago. Quote What do you think we should have done once we'd bombed the hell out of Iraq chasing a chimera? Said "Ooops, sorry", and buggered off leaving them to clean up the mess? It's the typical role played by the winner. It's what we did in 1991. And what do you think happens to Iraq when we leave? What if the Democrats had succeeded in 2007 in forcing the pullout then? No different, but leaving in 2004 would have saved them 6 years of fighting with our guys. Might have saved others as wellhttp://www.antiwar.com/casualties/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #105 May 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote billvon was among many (my mother as well) who believed in 2004 we couldn't leave, had to continue the nation building concept that failed so badly. Somewhere along the way they dropped that notion. A really cynical person might think they wanted the military to fail, in order to hurt the GOP. I hate to break this to you, but we invaded in 2003, not 2004. NO SHIT!? Maybe that's why I wrote words like "had to continue" and "couldn't leave" when talking about the second phase of the war. Must be past your bedtime in Chicago. Quote What do you think we should have done once we'd bombed the hell out of Iraq chasing a chimera? Said "Ooops, sorry", and buggered off leaving them to clean up the mess? It's the typical role played by the winner. It's what we did in 1991. And what do you think happens to Iraq when we leave? What if the Democrats had succeeded in 2007 in forcing the pullout then? No different, but leaving in 2004 would have saved them 6 years of fighting with our guys. I'm kinda confused about what exactly you think would happen in each of these scenarios and what the right thing to do would have been in each case. For the record, I thought it was a bad idea to invade in 2003. Once we did invade, I thought the plan for invasion was poor (specifically, the complete lack of planning for what to do once we had finished crushing the Iraqi military). However, once we invaded, I thought we had a moral obligation to get Iraq stood back up. Despite this moral obligation, I don't think it's clear yet that we'll achieve our goals in Iraq, regardless of how much longer we stay or how much more money we dump into this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #106 May 28, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote billvon was among many (my mother as well) who believed in 2004 we couldn't leave, had to continue the nation building concept that failed so badly. Somewhere along the way they dropped that notion. A really cynical person might think they wanted the military to fail, in order to hurt the GOP. I hate to break this to you, but we invaded in 2003, not 2004. NO SHIT!? Maybe that's why I wrote words like "had to continue" and "couldn't leave" when talking about the second phase of the war. Must be past your bedtime in Chicago. Is there something hard to understand about: "Who would that be? I'm not aware of any "on the left" in SC who promoted going to war."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #107 May 28, 2010 Quote Oh, and congratulations, even though you had to wait 7 months for a small dip, your dream of the US market falling is coming ot fruition you real American you. Now go get them shorts and hope for more American loss. Same bullshit from you! Your rhetoric is worse than the 24 hr news channels. Lucky just to let you know ... 7 months in the market is not that long at all. You make it sound like I said it could happen and a couple yrs later it moved down. 7 months and it gave up a ton of what it had climbed. The economy and market is a house of cards. Your boy is adding to the problems just like W did. 7 months isn't long when you make an open-ended projection. All you have to do is wait and EVENTUALLY you will be right. I love it when guys like you, I believe it was you who said the market is just fluctuating and then posted a daily chart of the DJIA, now you say 7 months isn't long; any argument becomes relevant when you can transpose long for short and short for long . As for same BS, here's some more same BS: +284 pts today. Boom baby, bad news for those who want to see America fail, that's you, Stanley. So that oh, so temp dip . Don't worry, Nostradamus, another mini crash will be right around the corner for you to celebrate. How is Obama adding to the problem? Love your typical assertions with no relevance or support. His reacction to your boy's recession has brought the market, the GDP and unemployment under control and huge gains in some areas, yet you want to assert he is fucking it up with, of course, no supporting ev. I know, you responded before teh huge gainer today, time to rethink your shorts, or perhaps clean theem out after today. Funny how the REAL AMERICANS want the US to fail and the so-called non-Americans want to to succeed. You really have no clue... the sad thing is that you think you do. You are posting a one day swing now...... You miss the point every F'n time. This market shows there is no recovery at least in the market itself. It si unstable. (period) Go ahead and try to argue that. That is what I have ben saying but you choose to "cherrypick" what you want and argue over dumb shit. I'm seriously tired of going back in forth with you Lucky.... you are ..... well deep down you know what you are but keep fighting buddy. Somebody out there loves you and thinks you are special. Next time the market proves my point again and it will I'm just going to ignore you and I will not post anything myself either. Be happy... the market is set to go down again today so you can claim Obama has saved us all once again and that everything is soooo great. Unemployment is at an all time low, the market is stable and bullish (that means going up Lucky), and major companies are not in trouble at all.........Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #108 May 28, 2010 Quote Is there something hard to understand about: "Who would that be? I'm not aware of any "on the left" in SC who promoted going to war." The fact that I never suggested there were such people. You intentionally misrepresented my statement (typical of your methods), which I ignored, and stayed on point. The next poster reflected Bill's view precisely - he opposed going to war, but once we were there, would not advocate pulling out. I think that viewpoint has to accept of the responsibility for the consequences. I'm also curious at what point that viewpoint was replaced (if ever) by the most prevalent belief that we shouldn't be there now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #109 May 29, 2010 Quote Quote Oh, and congratulations, even though you had to wait 7 months for a small dip, your dream of the US market falling is coming ot fruition you real American you. Now go get them shorts and hope for more American loss. Same bullshit from you! Your rhetoric is worse than the 24 hr news channels. Lucky just to let you know ... 7 months in the market is not that long at all. You make it sound like I said it could happen and a couple yrs later it moved down. 7 months and it gave up a ton of what it had climbed. The economy and market is a house of cards. Your boy is adding to the problems just like W did. 7 months isn't long when you make an open-ended projection. All you have to do is wait and EVENTUALLY you will be right. I love it when guys like you, I believe it was you who said the market is just fluctuating and then posted a daily chart of the DJIA, now you say 7 months isn't long; any argument becomes relevant when you can transpose long for short and short for long . As for same BS, here's some more same BS: +284 pts today. Boom baby, bad news for those who want to see America fail, that's you, Stanley. So that oh, so temp dip . Don't worry, Nostradamus, another mini crash will be right around the corner for you to celebrate. How is Obama adding to the problem? Love your typical assertions with no relevance or support. His reacction to your boy's recession has brought the market, the GDP and unemployment under control and huge gains in some areas, yet you want to assert he is fucking it up with, of course, no supporting ev. I know, you responded before teh huge gainer today, time to rethink your shorts, or perhaps clean theem out after today. Funny how the REAL AMERICANS want the US to fail and the so-called non-Americans want to to succeed. You really have no clue... the sad thing is that you think you do. You are posting a one day swing now...... You miss the point every F'n time. This market shows there is no recovery at least in the market itself. It si unstable. (period) Go ahead and try to argue that. That is what I have ben saying but you choose to "cherrypick" what you want and argue over dumb shit. I'm seriously tired of going back in forth with you Lucky.... you are ..... well deep down you know what you are but keep fighting buddy. Somebody out there loves you and thinks you are special. Next time the market proves my point again and it will I'm just going to ignore you and I will not post anything myself either. Be happy... the market is set to go down again today so you can claim Obama has saved us all once again and that everything is soooo great. Unemployment is at an all time low, the market is stable and bullish (that means going up Lucky), and major companies are not in trouble at all......... Genius, you're not even right, last October you claimed the market was oversold and there would be a sell-off. The highest the market was last Oct was 10,041, the market, even after the European-driven sell was like 9,970, now at 10,136, so your point is false. You won't admit it but your claim was made then and is incorrect. You say the market shows there is no economic recovery, yet it went above 10k waaaaay ahead of schedeule and the GDP is smoking, unemp has been controlled, still needs to drop. It took 10 years from the point where Hoover finally raised taxes to repair the GD, yet Obama's very positive signs are irrelevant? >>>>>>>>>> Next time the market proves my point again ... It didn't, your point was made last Oct and the market is currently above what it was the entire month of Oct. Try a new guess. >>>>>>>> Unemployment is at an all time low.... Why do you feel the need to misquote me? Is it that hard to be happy the market and the economy is improving? Don't worry, the idiots will elect another Repuke and the crashing will begin. But then you want the market to do well, huh? You base your desire for success upon the party that will get the credit/blame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #110 June 1, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Oh, and congratulations, even though you had to wait 7 months for a small dip, your dream of the US market falling is coming ot fruition you real American you. Now go get them shorts and hope for more American loss. Same bullshit from you! Your rhetoric is worse than the 24 hr news channels. Lucky just to let you know ... 7 months in the market is not that long at all. You make it sound like I said it could happen and a couple yrs later it moved down. 7 months and it gave up a ton of what it had climbed. The economy and market is a house of cards. Your boy is adding to the problems just like W did. 7 months isn't long when you make an open-ended projection. All you have to do is wait and EVENTUALLY you will be right. I love it when guys like you, I believe it was you who said the market is just fluctuating and then posted a daily chart of the DJIA, now you say 7 months isn't long; any argument becomes relevant when you can transpose long for short and short for long . As for same BS, here's some more same BS: +284 pts today. Boom baby, bad news for those who want to see America fail, that's you, Stanley. So that oh, so temp dip . Don't worry, Nostradamus, another mini crash will be right around the corner for you to celebrate. How is Obama adding to the problem? Love your typical assertions with no relevance or support. His reacction to your boy's recession has brought the market, the GDP and unemployment under control and huge gains in some areas, yet you want to assert he is fucking it up with, of course, no supporting ev. I know, you responded before teh huge gainer today, time to rethink your shorts, or perhaps clean theem out after today. Funny how the REAL AMERICANS want the US to fail and the so-called non-Americans want to to succeed. You really have no clue... the sad thing is that you think you do. You are posting a one day swing now...... You miss the point every F'n time. This market shows there is no recovery at least in the market itself. It si unstable. (period) Go ahead and try to argue that. That is what I have ben saying but you choose to "cherrypick" what you want and argue over dumb shit. I'm seriously tired of going back in forth with you Lucky.... you are ..... well deep down you know what you are but keep fighting buddy. Somebody out there loves you and thinks you are special. Next time the market proves my point again and it will I'm just going to ignore you and I will not post anything myself either. Be happy... the market is set to go down again today so you can claim Obama has saved us all once again and that everything is soooo great. Unemployment is at an all time low, the market is stable and bullish (that means going up Lucky), and major companies are not in trouble at all......... Genius, you're not even right, last October you claimed the market was oversold and there would be a sell-off. The highest the market was last Oct was 10,041, the market, even after the European-driven sell was like 9,970, now at 10,136, so your point is false. You won't admit it but your claim was made then and is incorrect. You say the market shows there is no economic recovery, yet it went above 10k waaaaay ahead of schedeule and the GDP is smoking, unemp has been controlled, still needs to drop. It took 10 years from the point where Hoover finally raised taxes to repair the GD, yet Obama's very positive signs are irrelevant? >>>>>>>>>> Next time the market proves my point again ... It didn't, your point was made last Oct and the market is currently above what it was the entire month of Oct. Try a new guess. >>>>>>>> Unemployment is at an all time low.... Why do you feel the need to misquote me? Is it that hard to be happy the market and the economy is improving? Don't worry, the idiots will elect another Repuke and the crashing will begin. But then you want the market to do well, huh? You base your desire for success upon the party that will get the credit/blame. I base nothing on a party YOU do.... you hang your hat on it! It's sad really The reality is I am giving facts and you are giving rhetoric. Spew away... everyone on here knows its what you do and most just laugh and ignore as I will do from now on. I'm so sorry that your happiness depends on a political party and especially sad it depends on Obama. Good luck!Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
