Blacks Will Never Gain Wealth Equality With Whites Under the Current System

[rushmc 23]

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you're the one calling blacks workshy. which implies?

Really?

What else am I saying?

Please, I just gotta know

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[Ion01 2]

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As other posters have stated in similar threads;
The term is "equal opportunity", not "equal outcome".
The moon won't come to you. You need to go get it.

While I agree with that sentiment, there is also the question of whether our laws are encouraging this problem. There are some very good and common sense arguments that our social programs encourage a permanent lower class with a racial bias to it. Some would argue that this is an indicator of that.

Here is your answer. The laws are preventing equal opportunity. For example, the law requires that a company of a particular size higher a certain number of minorty employees. That doesn't mean people have an equal opportunity. What it means, and this does happen, is that the more qualified person is overlooked because they are not a minority.
We also give all kinds of government money to minorities for college and such so when a student is a minority they get money for college even though they barely got by while the other student who has a high GPA gets nothing because he is not a minority. This teaches people that getting what you want out of life is not about hard work but who you are. It is actually racist because the government determines how much money you get based on race!
In addition, why should they be given money anyways? I didn't have slaves, they are not slaves, none of my ancestors had slaves, there were more white slaves than black slaves before the civil war in the US (not indentured servants, actual white slaves) and the black slaves were mostly bought from other blacks.
In a truely free society racism could not survive as it has. Our current government, as illustrated above, has become racist in order to eliminate racism. Obviously that cant work as its contradictory. In a truely free society racist business would fail as people would not shop thier or due business with them, however, with racist laws in place these people just meet the requirements of the law and society doesn't know the difference and the owner continues his racist behavoir feeling justified by saying the government is racist.....which it is.
Lets face it, racism will always be around and in all directions, but in a free society the racists would be outcast and have to leave and isolate themselves with other racist thereby removing them from society and eliminating them and thier racism from the majority whereas the current system protects them and keeps them as a part of our society and forces people to be racist if they are going to be a law abiding citizen.

[Ion01 2]

On a slightly different note: ever heard of the paper bag test? Its something some black people use, typically in schools or in some organizations, to determine if you are black enough to date or be in the organization. If your skin isn't darker than the bag then you aren't black enough...... if that isn't racist then what is? Do you really think this kind of thing doesn't play into these figures? How about, one again, that our society teaches minorities that they don't have to work hard and that they deserve this or that or money due to thier skin color?
Why is it racist to have an organization that only lets white people in but not one that only lets black people in?
Why is it considered racist when a white person disagrees with our president (who is 1/8 black, mainly arab) but its not racist when the president says his grandmother is "a typical white person"?
Do you not think this kind of thing plays into those figures and how the (and I don't like to use the term) black community thinks and operates?
Why can't we just all be americans? Why does even the census have to ask what race we are? If we were all actually considered just americans and there was no decisions to be made, as required by law, regarding race then we would truely have equal opportunity.

[dreamdancer 0]

...Enemies of all colors and sly servants of the rich will use the news of the evaporation of African American wealth to heap blame on Black “culture.” This “shaming” strategy is designed to keep Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes, and to simultaneously despair of finding salvation in our own capacity for group agency...

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Here is your answer. The laws are preventing equal opportunity. For example, the law requires that a company of a particular size higher a certain number of minorty employees. That doesn't mean people have an equal opportunity. What it means, and this does happen, is that the more qualified person is overlooked because they are not a minority.

Actually, it doesn't. It requires that you attempt to interview a proportionate number of qualified minorities. You might have to go farther to find the qualified minorities in some markets.

The evidence that you've done due diligence is that your workforce reflects to some degree the pool of applicants.

Does it always work like that? Nope. Many companies like having good EEO numbers, so they look for ways to promote minorities.

Interestingly, sometimes in the same market, you'll find companies in similar industries with very different racial makeups which are competitive with each other. Obviously one company tried harder to find qualified minorities than the other.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[sundevil777 102]

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...Enemies of all colors and sly servants of the rich will use the news of the evaporation of African American wealth to heap blame on Black “culture.” This “shaming” strategy is designed to keep Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes, and to simultaneously despair of finding salvation in our own capacity for group agency...

Bill Cosby and other blacks certainly do attempt to get, "Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes..." They also certainly get attacked with verbal pitchforks and such, being called, "a traitor to their race", and, "Uncle Tom" for their efforts.

It is so nice that the article you cited absolves blacks of the need to look inward, very convenient indeed.

It used to be that a national politician could be overtly racist and still get reelected. That isn't true anymore, except that black politicians can still be racist and get away with it.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[dreamdancer 0]

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Bill Cosby and other blacks certainly do attempt to get, "Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes..." They also certainly get attacked with verbal pitchforks and such, being called, "a traitor to their race", and, "Uncle Tom" for their efforts.

so you're calling cosby a 'traitor to his race' and an 'uncle tom'. why do you spread such accusations?

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[DanG 1]

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On a slightly different note: ever heard of the paper bag test? Its something some black people use, typically in schools or in some organizations, to determine if you are black enough to date or be in the organization. If your skin isn't darker than the bag then you aren't black enough...... if that isn't racist then what is?

You don't think some white people use a similar test?

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How about, one again, that our society teaches minorities that they don't have to work hard and that they deserve this or that or money due to thier skin color?

Maybe in your view of our society. In my view, our society encourages everyone to be the best they can be. Of cource, when Obama gives a speech to a black group encouraging them to work hard, stay in school, and respect themselves, he's called a racist. If he doesn't give that speech, then you'd say he's telling black people that they deserve money because they're black. Don't you see that he can't win?

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Why is it racist to have an organization that only lets white people in but not one that only lets black people in?

It's not. Can you give an example of an organization that won't let white people in?

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Why is it considered racist when a white person disagrees with our president (who is 1/8 black, mainly arab) but its not racist when the president says his grandmother is "a typical white person"?

It's not considered racist to disagree with the President. Except in your world, and Glenn Beck's, and Rush Limbaugh's, and Sean Hannity's. I've asked repeatedly on this forum for examples where disagreeing with the President was actually met with cries of racism. No one has ever produced any.

Last tim I checked, Obama's lineage was 1/2 black, 1/2 white. Where do you get the idea he's is Arabic? Do I smell a Muslim conspiracy theory abrewin'?

- Dan G

[sundevil777 102]

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Bill Cosby and other blacks certainly do attempt to get, "Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes..." They also certainly get attacked with verbal pitchforks and such, being called, "a traitor to their race", and, "Uncle Tom" for their efforts.

so you're calling cosby a 'traitor to his race' and an 'uncle tom'. why do you spread such accusations?

Please pay attention.

Others do that (traitor to his race...), not me. I was calling attention to the fact that you were wrong to try and wordsmith your way around that fact that it does happen, as was brought up in an earlier post.

It seems that you just don't participate in an intellectual analysis. You do a lot of deflecting and twisting/spinning of other's analysis without putting your own out. Quick one liners aren't conducive to a high degree of respect from others.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[dreamdancer 0]

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Bill Cosby and other blacks certainly do attempt to get, "Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes..." They also certainly get attacked with verbal pitchforks and such, being called, "a traitor to their race", and, "Uncle Tom" for their efforts.

so you're calling cosby a 'traitor to his race' and an 'uncle tom'. why do you spread such accusations?

Please pay attention.

Others do that (traitor to his race...), not me. I was calling attention to the fact that you were wrong to try and wordsmith your way around that fact that it does happen, as was brought up in an earlier post.

i see, black folks can only 'attack' cosby with 'pitchforks' - they can't be allowed to sensibly debate and criticise like white folks do?

(and you are spreading accusations - with no source - that cosby is an 'uncle tom' and a 'traitor to his race' - don't do it.)

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what 'colour' is he then?

He's a mulatto. By Zulu standards, he's a "zebra."

George Jefferson wasn't shy about using the term "zebra" when referring to his son's girlfriend on the show. Funny shit. Called her daddy "honky" too.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[sundevil777 102]

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On a slightly different note: ever heard of the paper bag test? Its something some black people use, typically in schools or in some organizations, to determine if you are black enough to date or be in the organization. If your skin isn't darker than the bag then you aren't black enough...... if that isn't racist then what is?

You don't think some white people use a similar test?

No, I don't. Perhaps I'm just unaware of such a despicable practice. Please inform us.

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Of cource, when Obama gives a speech to a black group encouraging them to work hard, stay in school, and respect themselves, he's called a racist.

I would never say that. That is very similar to what Cosby says, and he gets applauded by most, but excoriated by blacks (they want to use the verbal pitchfork on the president for it, but they mostly hold their tongue). Remember how Jessie Jackson said he wanted to cut his balls off? That is exactly the opposite of what you have asserted.

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Why is it considered racist when a white person disagrees with our president (who is 1/8 black, mainly arab) but its not racist when the president says his grandmother is "a typical white person"?

It's not considered racist to disagree with the President. Except in your world, and Glenn Beck's, and Rush Limbaugh's, and Sean Hannity's. I've asked repeatedly on this forum for examples where disagreeing with the President was actually met with cries of racism. No one has ever produced any.

You haven't been paying attention. Many, many liberal political pundits have said that criticism of Obama is driven by racism. If you really can't find the multitude of examples of that, I will bother to find it for you, but I'm sure you will be successful if you try.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Maybe in your view of our society. In my view, our society encourages everyone to be the best they can be.

Hogwash. Society encourages people to be like them where the median level is merely average.

Speaking of school children, my neighborhood was a yuppie breeding ground where we were expected to follow in our parents professional foot steps. They made sure the high school offered lots of advanced placement courses so we could get a head start on college where over 95% of the graduating class went.

Other district schools in the same district didn't do that because the parents felt "it wasn't fair to the normal students."

We were also brought up to be good stewards of wealth for our retirement and the next generation.

The rest of society encourages spending instead, on extravagant homes, cars, and consumer goods.

[sundevil777 102]

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Bill Cosby and other blacks certainly do attempt to get, "Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes..." They also certainly get attacked with verbal pitchforks and such, being called, "a traitor to their race", and, "Uncle Tom" for their efforts.

so you're calling cosby a 'traitor to his race' and an 'uncle tom'. why do you spread such accusations?

Please pay attention.

Others do that (traitor to his race...), not me. I was calling attention to the fact that you were wrong to try and wordsmith your way around that fact that it does happen, as was brought up in an earlier post.

i see, black folks can only 'attack' cosby with 'pitchforks' - they can't be allowed to sensibly debate and criticise like white folks do?

(and you are spreading accusations - with no source - that cosby is an 'uncle tom' and a 'traitor to his race' - don't do it.)

You don't deserve any more feeding, troll.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[dreamdancer 0]

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I would never say that. That is very similar to what Cosby says, and he gets applauded by most, but excoriated by blacks.

cosby is black - duh!

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[dreamdancer 0]

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Bill Cosby and other blacks certainly do attempt to get, "Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes..." They also certainly get attacked with verbal pitchforks and such, being called, "a traitor to their race", and, "Uncle Tom" for their efforts.

so you're calling cosby a 'traitor to his race' and an 'uncle tom'. why do you spread such accusations?

Please pay attention.

Others do that (traitor to his race...), not me. I was calling attention to the fact that you were wrong to try and wordsmith your way around that fact that it does happen, as was brought up in an earlier post.

i see, black folks can only 'attack' cosby with 'pitchforks' - they can't be allowed to sensibly debate and criticise like white folks do?

(and you are spreading accusations - with no source - that cosby is an 'uncle tom' and a 'traitor to his race' - don't do it.)

You don't deserve any more feeding, troll.

no, you're the troll calling cosby an 'uncle tom' and a 'traitor to his race'

(by the way - you lose)

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[DanG 1]

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No, I don't. Perhaps I'm just unaware of such a despicable practice. Please inform us.

You think that if a white girl bring a black boy home to meet the parents, there aren't a lot of white parents who would be upset by that?

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Remember how Jessie Jackson said he wanted to cut his balls off?

No, I don't remember that. Of course, I don't listen to anything Jesse Jackson says, so maybe that's my problem.

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You haven't been paying attention. Many, many liberal political pundits have said that criticism of Obama is driven by racism. If you really can't find the multitude of examples of that, I will bother to find it for you, but I'm sure you will be successful if you try.

Got it. So you don't have any actual examples either.

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

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Hogwash. Society encourages people to be like them where the median level is merely average.

Speaking of school children, my neighborhood was a yuppie breeding ground where we were expected to follow in our parents professional foot steps. They made sure high school offered lots of advanced placement courses so we could get a head start on college where over 95% of the graduating class went.

Other district schools in the same district didn't do that because the parents felt "it wasn't fair to the normal students."

You have a really dim view of America.

I can see how spending extra tax dollars to provide special services to one group of kids could be considered unfair. I don't think that the parents were advocating that everyone should be dumb. I'd bet that what they wanted was for money to be spent more evenly, but I'm just guessing.

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I would never say that. That is very similar to what Cosby says, and he gets applauded by most, but excoriated by blacks.

cosby is black - duh!

Remember when you said "...sensibly debate and criticise like white folks do?"

When blacks use the verbal pitchfork of "traitor to his race" and "uncle tom", then I think they are choosing to intimidate and stifle debate.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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When blacks use ...

Blacks are no more a monolithic group with a spokesman than are whites, hispanics, Americans, arabs, Muslims, Christians, or humans.

Consider each person as an individual, then choose to ignore or listen to them.

Wendy P.

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[sundevil777 102]

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No, I don't. Perhaps I'm just unaware of such a despicable practice. Please inform us.

You think that if a white girl bring a black boy home to meet the parents, there aren't a lot of white parents who would be upset by that?

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Hogwash. Society encourages people to be like them where the median level is merely average.

Speaking of school children, my neighborhood was a yuppie breeding ground where we were expected to follow in our parents professional foot steps. They made sure high school offered lots of advanced placement courses so we could get a head start on college where over 95% of the graduating class went.

Other district schools in the same district didn't do that because the parents felt "it wasn't fair to the normal students."

You have a really dim view of America.

I can see how spending extra tax dollars to provide special services to one group of kids could be considered unfair. I don't think that the parents were advocating that everyone should be dumb. I'd bet that what they wanted was for money to be spent more evenly, but I'm just guessing.

Unless the group of kids are the football team, basketball team, or special education students.

The average American doesn't want people doing better than them.

[sundevil777 102]

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When blacks use ...

Blacks are no more a monolithic group with a spokesman than are whites, hispanics, Americans, arabs, Muslims, Christians, or humans.

Consider each person as an individual, then choose to ignore or listen to them.

Wendy P.

What a deflection of the issue. Of course when discussing such issues, you can split hairs all day long about how generalization is bad (and you do that a lot). So substitute "black advocate group leadership" or whatever instead.

Blacks as a voting group are incredibly monolithic, and very largely follow the orders that their "advocate group leadership" gives them.

Juan Williams (a very notable, black news analyst for NPR) has talked at length about how he was severely attacked when he has disagreed with the position of the black "leadership". Their "leadership" doesn't allow for dissent without vicious, personal, racist attack.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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No, I don't. Perhaps I'm just unaware of such a despicable practice. Please inform us.

You think that if a white girl bring a black boy home to meet the parents, there aren't a lot of white parents who would be upset by that?

That is not what you brought into question. You asserted that there was the equivalent of the "brown bag test". What you've described is certainly racism, but not the equivalent of a brown bag test.

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Remember how Jessie Jackson said he wanted to cut his balls off?

No, I don't remember that. Of course, I don't listen to anything Jesse Jackson says, so maybe that's my problem.

It is true, try looking it up, I'm sure it will be easy to find, and you'll have a better perspective about Rev Jackson.

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You haven't been paying attention. Many, many liberal political pundits have said that criticism of Obama is driven by racism. If you really can't find the multitude of examples of that, I will bother to find it for you, but I'm sure you will be successful if you try.

Got it. So you don't have any actual examples either.

Come on, give it a try, if you really can't find it, I promise I'll do it for you, but give it an honest attempt, please.

we're waiting for examples and links
(meantime you just keep on slagging off black folks in any way you can - we're listening hard to your dog whistles)

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Bill Cosby and other blacks certainly do attempt to get, "Blacks looking inward for the source of their woes..." They also certainly get attacked with verbal pitchforks and such, being called, "a traitor to their race", and, "Uncle Tom" for their efforts.

so you're calling cosby a 'traitor to his race' and an 'uncle tom'. why do you spread such accusations?

Please pay attention.

Others do that (traitor to his race...), not me. I was calling attention to the fact that you were wrong to try and wordsmith your way around that fact that it does happen, as was brought up in an earlier post.

It seems that you just don't participate in an intellectual analysis. You do a lot of deflecting and twisting/spinning of other's analysis without putting your own out. Quick one liners aren't conducive to a high degree of respect from others.

Aint he fun???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln