Blacks Will Never Gain Wealth Equality With Whites Under the Current System

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Aint he fun???

i throw the stick - you pick it up
(again and again)

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[rushmc 23]

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Aint he fun???

i throw the stick - you pick it up
(again and again)

I am glad you think so much of yourself

As least someone does

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Aint he fun???

i throw the stick - you pick it up
(again and again)

I really do try to keep it on the issues, and be more thoughtful than emotional. I don't always succeed, but I think I honestly try.

You seem to be proud that you don't even pretend to try.

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Hogwash. Society encourages people to be like them where the median level is merely average.

Speaking of school children, my neighborhood was a yuppie breeding ground where we were expected to follow in our parents professional foot steps. They made sure high school offered lots of advanced placement courses so we could get a head start on college where over 95% of the graduating class went.

Other district schools in the same district didn't do that because the parents felt "it wasn't fair to the normal students."

You have a really dim view of America.

I can see how spending extra tax dollars to provide special services to one group of kids could be considered unfair. I don't think that the parents were advocating that everyone should be dumb. I'd bet that what they wanted was for money to be spent more evenly, but I'm just guessing.

That is the reality of america. First, the advanced placement students don't get extra tax dollars. Rather than have the ones that try hard sped out into all the others they simply put them all in one classroom and put the ones that don't try so hard in the classroom the hardworkers were in. There is no extra teachers or classes or anything else. Second, what isn't fair is that the hard working students don't get rewarded for thier hard work whereas the ones who don't work hard but simply move a high D to a low C get extra tax dollars in the form of awards and banquets for the parents since they improved but the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

Did you take special classes to be able to miss the point so consistently, or is it natural talent?

Mike
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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

This word twisting and placing words in people's mouths has long since gotten old. There are some good points being made in this thread. You aren't making any of them.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

This word twisting and placing words in people's mouths has long since gotten old. There are some good points being made in this thread. You aren't making any of them.

i'm happy keeping the pot boiling - and not letting the usual suspects get in their racist digs without rebuttal.

what point do you want to make? you seem to be pretty much on track so far

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

This word twisting and placing words in people's mouths has long since gotten old. There are some good points being made in this thread. You aren't making any of them.

i'm happy keeping the pot boiling - and not letting the usual suspects get in their racist digs without rebuttal.

what point do you want to make? you seem to be pretty much on track so far

The only place 'racist digs' are happening is in your own fevered imagination.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[rushmc 23]

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

This word twisting and placing words in people's mouths has long since gotten old. There are some good points being made in this thread. You aren't making any of them.

i'm happy keeping the pot boiling - and not letting the usual suspects get in their racist digs without rebuttal.

what point do you want to make? you seem to be pretty much on track so far

The only "suspect" getting in "racists digs" in, in this thread, would be you.

But that is ok
you are exposing yourself very nicely.

Please, do continue

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

This word twisting and placing words in people's mouths has long since gotten old. There are some good points being made in this thread. You aren't making any of them.

i'm happy keeping the pot boiling - and not letting the usual suspects get in their racist digs without rebuttal.

what point do you want to make? you seem to be pretty much on track so far

The only "suspect" getting in "racists digs" in, in this thread, would be you.

But that is ok
you are exposing yourself very nicely.

Please, do continue

you're the one who wants to associate the words 'black society 'with 'fire and pitchforks'. do you have anything good to say about blacks in your society?

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[rushmc 23]

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

This word twisting and placing words in people's mouths has long since gotten old. There are some good points being made in this thread. You aren't making any of them.

i'm happy keeping the pot boiling - and not letting the usual suspects get in their racist digs without rebuttal.

what point do you want to make? you seem to be pretty much on track so far

The only "suspect" getting in "racists digs" in, in this thread, would be you.

But that is ok
you are exposing yourself very nicely.

Please, do continue

you're the one who wants to associate the words 'black society 'with 'fire and pitchforks'. do you have anything good to say about blacks in your society?

Which goes again to expose YOUR biggoted racists tendancies

Why do you think this way?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[dreamdancer 0]

why do you think (and say out loud) that the black community arms itself with 'fire and pitchforks'?

(it's called demonisation)

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
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[rushmc 23]

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why do you think (and say out loud) that the black community arms itself with 'fire and pitchforks'?

(it's called demonisation)

A person (you) has to think in those terms for it to mean anything. You again expose your dark racits tendancies by trying to project them on others.

Please, seek help before you hurt someone

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[dreamdancer 0]

back to the subject...

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Although Black parity with whites has never been on the horizon, impatient whites have insisted since 1969 or thereabouts that “it’s time” African Americans were made to “stand or fall” on their own, minus all the imagined assistance Blacks have supposedly received from phantom federal and state agencies. After all, say the anxious whites, how long is society (meaning themselves) supposed to pay for the slavery and segregation of the past? Most white folks – and President Obama – believe, or pretend to believe, that whatever legitimate grievances Blacks might harbor against the United States stem from circumstances deep in the past. The only question is, when will Blacks finally “get over it?”

The Brandies study shows that the racial wealth gap, although historically rooted in slavery and Jim Crow oppressions, has grown dramatically under post-civil rights era conditions. The gap is not simply a legacy of some ancient American apartheid, but a product of the recent past and of the present. This is a different paradigm, entirely, in which past racial wrongs are compounded by additional layers of institutionalized anti-Black behavior in the 1980s, 90s and in the 21st century –wounds so harmful they set African Americans on a backward course in terms of wealth accumulation.

http://www.alternet.org/story/146966/massive_race_divide%3A_blacks_will_never_gain_wealth_equality_with_whites_under_the_current_system/?page=entire

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[rushmc 23]

I have come to the conclusion that you have no supject.

You, for reasons only you can know, work to perpetuate racisim.

Are you part of the racisim industry? Are you partnered with J Jackson or others like him who make money off doing things like what you do here?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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First, the advanced placement students don't get extra tax dollars.

I was in the gifted and talented program my whole life, including going to a public magnet school. I'm pretty sure we had access to a lot more stuff (and better teachers) than the "regular" kids.

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Rather than have the ones that try hard sped out into all the others they simply put them all in one classroom and put the ones that don't try so hard in the classroom the hardworkers were in. There is no extra teachers or classes or anything else.

Not in the real world. AP students get better teachers, lower teacher to student ratios, and better facilities. Not that I'm arguing against that, I don't think it is necessarily a bad idea to tailor the educational experience to the students' abilities, but you can't really argue that the money distribution is equal.

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Second, what isn't fair is that the hard working students don't get rewarded for thier hard work whereas the ones who don't work hard but simply move a high D to a low C get extra tax dollars in the form of awards and banquets for the parents since they improved but the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

Really? You have a lot of misplaced anger issues. Do you go to a lot of banquets for students (all black in your world) who raised their GPA's from a high D to a low C? What was the last such banquet you attended? Please tell us about it. On the other hand, if the students actually improved from D's to B's or A's, don't you think they had to work hard to do that? Doesn't that make them part of the "hard workers"? And when's the last time a C/D student was named valledictorian, or put on the Dean's list? Students get rewarded for hard work, regardless of their abilities. And it has nothing to do with race.

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First, the advanced placement students don't get extra tax dollars.

I was in the gifted and talented program my whole life, including going to a public magnet school. I'm pretty sure we had access to a lot more stuff (and better teachers) than the "regular" kids.

Must have been some special school, then. In my school, the same teacher that did the T&G class taught Social Studies and Math the rest of the day.

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Rather than have the ones that try hard sped out into all the others they simply put them all in one classroom and put the ones that don't try so hard in the classroom the hardworkers were in. There is no extra teachers or classes or anything else.

Not in the real world. AP students get better teachers, lower teacher to student ratios, and better facilities. Not that I'm arguing against that, I don't think it is necessarily a bad idea to tailor the educational experience to the students' abilities, but you can't really argue that the money distribution is equal.

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That is not what you brought into question. You asserted that there was the equivalent of the "brown bag test". What you've described is certainly racism, but not the equivalent of a brown bag test.

It's exactly the same. Those proverbial parents are thinking that that kid is not "white enough" for our daughter. It's the same a black parents who think, "that kid's not black enough for our daughter." It just doesn't have a catchy name.

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It is true, try looking it up, I'm sure it will be easy to find, and you'll have a better perspective about Rev Jackson.

I'm not a fan of Jackson, Sharpton, or any other obvious race baiters. I never said I was. Although when Jackson read "Green Eggs and Ham" on SNL years ago it was pretty funny.

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Come on, give it a try, if you really can't find it, I promise I'll do it for you, but give it an honest attempt, please.

Guess you don't have any actual examples. If it is that easy to find, stop wasting time responding to dreamdancer and pop a few out. Or maybe it is not as widespread as you want people to believe.

- Dan G

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I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, because I'm not, but yes, it was a special school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_High_School_for_Science_and_Technology

- Dan G

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I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, because I'm not, but yes, it was a special school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_High_School_for_Science_and_Technology

No problem, and congrats on that - but that doesn't mean that every T&G program is the same as what you attended. As I stated above, the program that I attended was different than yours.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[DanG 1]

I realize that not all gifted programs are the same, but somehow a poster up-thread argued that smart students are being penalized at the expense of average ones (and somehow tried to tie this to reverse racism, implying that the smart students are white, and the average ones black, but nevermind) and I was just trying to refute that idea.

- Dan G

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

Nah, asians do pretty well, too.

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the ones that always got A's never got awards or banquets or even a scholarship even if they graduated highschool with college credit because they were white.

so you're saying that only whites get 'A's'?

Nah, asians do pretty well, too.

aahhh...the return of a usual suspect
(and he's straight in with the reverse racism)

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I realize that not all gifted programs are the same, but somehow a poster up-thread argued that smart students are being penalized at the expense of average ones

That *does* happen. When the class is taught to the pace of the least capable student, the more capable students suffer the consequences.

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(and somehow tried to tie this to reverse racism, implying that the smart students are white, and the average ones black, but nevermind)

I didn't see where he said only the smart ones are white. I think you may have read something into his statement that wasn't there.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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