Israeli troops attack ship carrying aid to Gaza killing 16

[kelpdiver 2]

perhaps you'd like to address the dramatically different accounting of the event that the other gave in response.

Given the history of Palestinian lies in more recent events, these differences cannot be ignored for an event that happened at the eve of the initial war in 1948, the first of many attempts by the Arabs to kill all Jews in Israel.

[Darius11 12]

Either you have not been reading the thread and the related posts or as usual your jumping in the circle jerk that often happens in SC.

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You mean like these?

Yes exactly like that. Stupid sheep that celebrate other people’s murder and try to excuse it by making lame excuses that they can never backup with any set of standards.

Yea good example turtle those people in the video are applying the same logic as the blind Israeli supporters.

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So - stabbing them is ok as long as you don't kill them, right?

I know you have already sold your soul. But WTF here are some facts.
The video is edited by the Israelis only the portions they wish to show are what you see.
Two. A ship full of humanitarian aid was boarded by force in international waters. The Ship was under a turkish flag

The Israelis broke the law first, not to mention the the blockade it self is illegal, so are the boarders Israel holds. Off course that’s according to the UN and the international community. Now when you as you predictabley will claim that the UN and the international community is void in your opinion.

There is your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of others who support every action the Israelis do.

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Seriously? You really typed that? Who are the "Some of you" that you mention?

Yes I did just type that.

I find many people on here really to many to name and even in life have zero moral backbone.

They fold, and they twist right and wrong just so they can feel ok about there own actions.
To me people like this are worthless they swing with the wind and are generally selfish and will manipulate facts and even there own sense of right and wrong simply so they can do as they wish.

I have said this so many times. But if you set a standard for right or wrong then that standard should be applied to all in the same manner. When you change what’s right or wrong depending on who is doing the action and not the action it self then you are a hypocrite.

You find this in parents. They know an action like rape is a horrible action but if there son gets accused of it they tend to reach for excuses that they would never look for if it was there daughter that was claiming rape.

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Constant generalizing statements? You means ones about nazis and jews?

Again your jumping on the band wagon.

Read Amazons reply.
We are talking about a massacre of man, woman, and child that is documented by some Israelis and known as fact.

Her replay was

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I feel so sorry for all those poor innocent Arabs who have always been so innocent and peaceful

Which is basically saying nothing useful or even coherent.

And if you know any thing about the Nazi and the holocaust you must know that there were many deniers, and many people who thought the stories werent true.
My point was and is that whenever horrors happen there are many people who support the horrors not by knowing the action but simply by being blindly loyal to an idea.

I think her inability to except what happened in that village but still feeling the need to make some sort of replays is exactly that type of mentality.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Given the history of Palestinian/Isarli lies in more recent events

Fixed that for you.

Just the fact that you assume its only one side using propaganda tells me you are not objective.

Your view of the Israelis is way to one sided.

Historically they do not allow an independent source to ever investigate their incidents, What does that tells you ? Do you really think they would do a probe and find them selves guilty?

It is so stupid to just accept the accused to do its own investigating to see if they find them selves guilty is it not?

If they have nothing to hide let an independent group do the investigating. Don’t cut the tape and only show what you want show the whole thing.

If they wanted law they would have allowed UN peacekeepers in they didn’t because they know there actions are criminal.

If not what do they have to hide?

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Amazon 7]

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Your view of the Israelis is way to one sided.

So... now that you completely broke the IRONY METER

You still have not explained the nearly complete ETHNIC CLEANSING of jews in the "peaceful" muslim countires filled with innocent Arabs have done across ALL of their countries....

What do you have to hide????

FROM WIKI ( not that you would actually read anything that does not fit into your stinted world view)

In the same war itself, all Jewish towns that were occupied by Jordan (Gush-Etzion, the Jewish Quarter (Jerusalem), etc.) and Egypt (Kfar Darom), have been destroyed and their population was either deported, captured, killed or executed. Unlike the Arab population of Israel, among which many (but not the majority) kept living in their homes under Israeli rule, for the Jews there were no exceptions: none of these Jewish towns kept existing under the Arab rule.[59][60][61]. This was a limited success in terms of the intended Arab plans according to Arab sources. After the Partition vote, Arab leaders threatened the Jewish population of Palestine. They spoke of "driving the Jews into the sea" and ridding Palestine "of the Zionist Plague".[62] On the eve of the Arab armies invasion, Azzam Pasha, the General Secretary of the Arab League, "describing the fate of the Jews" even declared: 'This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.'[63]

Between the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Six Day War in 1967, there was a Jewish exodus from Arab lands, that has been described as an "ethnic cleansing".[64][65][66][67]


CONTEXT is EVERYTHING Darius.. no matter how much sand the peaceful people of the muslim world wish to bury their heads in.

[dreamdancer 0]

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Your view of the Israelis is way to one sided.

So... now that you completely broke the IRONY METER

You still have not explained the nearly complete ETHNIC CLEANSING of jews in the "peaceful" muslim countires filled with innocent Arabs have done across ALL of their countries....

What do you have to hide????

this is historical drivel. christian countries are the ones who have done the ethnic cleansing.

what happened to all the jews in europe?

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[turtlespeed 220]

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So - stabbing them is ok as long as you don't kill them, right?

I know you have already sold your soul. But WTF here are some facts.
The video is edited by the Israelis only the portions they wish to show are what you see.
Two. A ship full of humanitarian aid was boarded by force in international waters. The Ship was under a turkish flag

The Israelis broke the law first, not to mention the the blockade it self is illegal, so are the boarders Israel holds. Off course that’s according to the UN and the international community. Now when you as you predictabley will claim that the UN and the international community is void in your opinion.

There is your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of others who support every action the Israelis do.

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You KNOW I have sold my soul. THAT is an interesting statement. How do you know this? How much did I get for it? Whom did I sell it to?

You are a funny little man.

SO . . . answer a few questions please, in order, and a simple yes or no will do.

1) Did the soldiers that boarded the boat have lethal weapons with them? Yes or No?

2) Did the occupants of the humanitarian aid have deadly weapons? Yes or No?

3) Was it proven that the Humanitarian Aid group had planned and executed violence to incite more violence? Yes or No?

4) Are there pictures and video of the humanitarian aid crew stabbing and beating soldiers that were doing what they were told to do? Yes or No?

5) If I stabbed you, do you think it would be OK to fight back with overwhelming force? Yes or No?

The reality which you are taken into is such that blinds you to actual reality. Get off of your emotions and look at the facts. It was a PR move. The HA group knew what they were getting into when they did what they did. They did it on purpose. They provoked them to stimulate a response. They got it.

Finally, if you feel so strongly for which these people stand, why are you not on the next flotilla helping them out? Maybe you could plan the next uprising! You seem to have all the ansewrrs, so put them to practice.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

Youre supposedly a big boy.... search is your friend to answer your silly question.

[dreamdancer 0]

so you're saying that european christians never tried to exterminate jews in europe?

(it was the muslims who ordered those ovens)

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[kelpdiver 2]

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this is historical drivel. christian countries are the ones who have done the ethnic cleansing.

not for lack of trying by Arab nations in 1948, 1967, and 1973. Since then those nations have indirectly supported the combatants to continue fighting a more individual scale.

[dreamdancer 0]

how many jews did european christians kill - six million?

how many jews have muslims killed since then? - a tiny, tiny fraction of that number. and the dates you give were small wars between nation states - not attempts at extermination.

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[turtlespeed 220]

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how many jews did european christians kill - six million?

how many jews have muslims killed since then? - a tiny, tiny fraction of that number. and the dates you give were small wars between nation states - not attempts at extermination.

Not for lack of trying, the germans were just more efficient and capable.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[dreamdancer 0]

and christian...

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[turtlespeed 220]

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and christian...

So basically your argument is that Christians are more capable and efficient.

Got it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[futuredivot 0]

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and christian...

Don't research much, do you? Look, I hate to break this news but your position is wrong-incorrect-unsubstantiated. Once again, post after post cite references that effectively dismember the stance you've chosen on this. Refusal to accept that doesn't translate into being right, just stubborn.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[kelpdiver 2]

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how many jews have muslims killed since then? - a tiny, tiny fraction of that number. and the dates you give were small wars between nation states - not attempts at extermination.

The stated goals of the attackers was exactly that of extermination. They didn't even recognize Israel as a legitimate country. So no, this wasn't a battle between nations over a choice piece of territory.

[dreamdancer 0]

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how many jews have muslims killed since then? - a tiny, tiny fraction of that number. and the dates you give were small wars between nation states - not attempts at extermination.

The stated goals of the attackers was exactly that of extermination. They didn't even recognize Israel as a legitimate country. So no, this wasn't a battle between nations over a choice piece of territory.

yes it was.

stay away from moving propellers - they bite
blue skies from thai sky adventures
good solid response-provoking keyboarding

[Amazon 7]

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how many jews have muslims killed since then? - a tiny, tiny fraction of that number. and the dates you give were small wars between nation states - not attempts at extermination.

The stated goals of the attackers was exactly that of extermination. They didn't even recognize Israel as a legitimate country. So no, this wasn't a battle between nations over a choice piece of territory.

yes it was.

"What we have here,.....................................Is a failure to communicate open a history book!!!!!

[kelpdiver 2]

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The stated goals of the attackers was exactly that of extermination. They didn't even recognize Israel as a legitimate country. So no, this wasn't a battle between nations over a choice piece of territory.

yes it was.

Ok, hold on. If you want to describe these as typical wars between nations over land, then with it you have to accept that the winner gets to keep the spoils, and has no obligation to return it. Esp when the war was initiated by the loser.

[Darius11 12]

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You still have not explained the nearly complete ETHNIC CLEANSING of jews in the "peaceful" muslim countires filled with innocent Arabs have done across ALL of their countries....

What do you have to hide????

Because as usual your post is nothing but bullshit.

Did you tell what is your excuse for the murders in the village is yet?

No you have nothing to add but noise.

I'll talk to you when you actually take the time to THINK and answer a question. As I have for all of you repeatedly on here. It seems you lack even the simplest idea of justice and fairness.


So what did the man, woman and children do to deserve to be systematically murdered again?

THATS right you have nothing to say.
When you do let me know.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[sundevil777 102]

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I'll talk to you when you actually take the time to THINK and answer a question.

If we don't answer any of your questions, then you'll not post any more! I'll take that deal, seems fair since you don't answer any questions that challenge your assertions.

Please, don't take that as an invitation to reply.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Darius11 12]

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You KNOW I have sold my soul. THAT is an interesting statement. How do you know this? How much did I get for it? Whom did I sell it to?

Well I assumed you have logic and your response sounded like someone who has not followed the comments back and forth and someone who is having a knee-jerk reaction.

Your replay was so stupid and unrelated to the pervious conversation that I assumed you had not read the many back and forth comments.


I'll give you the benefit of a doubt if you give me the same respect by answering a few of my questions.

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1) Did the soldiers that boarded the boat have lethal weapons with them?

Yes

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2) Did the occupants of the humanitarian aid have deadly weapons?

Sorry that’s not a yes or no question. I am sure all of the people (as most seamen and working people had knives and items that can be used as clubs) and one boat used these items as weapons which can kill. The others did not.

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3) Was it proven that the Humanitarian Aid group had planned and executed violence to incite more violence?

No

You have proof only if you believe the edited video the Israelis showed (they did not offer the whole tape) and if you believe that the Israelis word is the gospel. Any one taking the Israelis words or the Palestinians as the sure description of the vents is an idiot.

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4) Are there pictures and video of the humanitarian aid crew stabbing and beating soldiers that were doing what they were told to do?

Yes the Israeli edit version.

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5) If I stabbed you, do you think it would be OK to fight back with overwhelming force?

If you are stabbing me then I will protect my self with deadly force, but First wquestionf or you 1.whose fault is it if I am the one who entered your home by force? Are you wrong for stabbing me then?


2. Do you believe that the systematic group punishment of civilians is inhumane?

3. Do you think an embargo that did not allow shoes, cloths, note books etc is for the Israeli safety or for the punishment of the people of gaza?


4. Would you have any anger in your heart if a committee decides that because of the war in Iraq and the loss of inocent lives there? The US government is giving land (which happens to be your town) away to some Muslims to make a Muslim state?

Trying to keep this short. But please include the history and perspective. You have no other place to go and the new Muslims have all the power. If you want you can become part of the Muslim State or get the fuck out.
What would your reaction be?

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Finally, if you feel so strongly for which these people stand, why are you not on the next flotilla helping them out? Maybe you could plan the next uprising! You seem to have all the ansewrrs, so put them to practice.

I guess the same reasons your not on your way to Israel.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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I'll talk to you when you actually take the time to THINK and answer a question.

If we don't answer any of your questions, then you'll not post any more! I'll take that deal, seems fair since you don't answer any questions that challenge your assertions.

Please, don't take that as an invitation to reply.

Trust me you already have shown your class in the PMs you have sent.

For the record i actully take the time Answer questions over and over, but i do not get the same respect when it comes to some.

And here is a little reminder for you as you seem to have NO CLUE on fairness Or justice.

If you don’t want a replay you should not do that by replaying, just like only a dumb fuck would send a PM asking not to receive PMs.

I know I know in your world your special and think you get your own set of rules.

But here is a hint treat people like you want to be treated.

That can be a life lesson for you. Let me know when you need another one i hope its soon.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Amazon 7]

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But here is a hint treat people like you want to be treated.

KAAAAAAAAA SPROINNNNNNNNNG


That was the sound of the Irony meter breaking.

[kelpdiver 2]

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4) Are there pictures and video of the humanitarian aid crew stabbing and beating soldiers that were doing what they were told to do?

Yes the Israeli edit version.

Are you saying the Israelis blue screened in some "aid crew" fighters?

5 ships received their borders. 1 did not, instead choosing to attack. All fatalities occurred on that one ship.

[turtlespeed 220]

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1) Did the soldiers that boarded the boat have lethal weapons with them?

Yes

BZZT - HAHAHAHA

How do you know this? All you have is the video evidence that you, yourself, say is false. Yet you state it as if it is true without reproach. Good thing you are objective here.

Thanks for playing - this is as credible as your posts will ever get. Shame really, I was hoping for better.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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