An interesting analysis of the flotilla coverage

[futuredivot 0]

I couldn't tell if you were having problems with vision or comprehension because what you are describing isn't what the video showed happening.. I've decided that the disconnect comes when you put your interpretation in the mix.

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[shah269 0]

Oh yeah Ar-15, supplied by the US Vs. Steel pipes and chairs....oh yeah really armed! Thank god they weren't throwing shoes! I mean how dare they not accept their deaths with open arms!

No it's ok go with the shoot first part, I like your line of logic. Look people on a ship, they may not like us, shoot first and we will all be forgiven we are the master race / gods good guys.

Look if you accidentally start switching to a nicer German accent while formulating your arguments keep going with it. Why fight it!
God's chosen people / master race? I mean just semantics!

Don't these unclean unchosen people know that they are not really human and should be treated as such?
I mean it worked so well in South Africa!


FYI, this war logic thing you are using, is the exact same line of logic Bind Ladin uses to justify his actions.

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[sundevil777 102]

They were armed with deadly weapons, and attacked immediately. They were not armed nor did they attack because they feared for their own lives.

We're talking about what really did happen, not how you wish it happened. Big difference.

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[wmw999 2,447]

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I think the Israelis were short on that last one (the "where" being international waters).

The international waters isn't as significant as I thought. Andy908 wrote a post in the other flotilla thread explaining why, and I got an offline note to the same effect.

But, ya know -- it's still a fucked up mess on both sides, and if the ship had just submitted, the Israelis would have ended up looking like complete assholes to more of the world than they do now.

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[shah269 0]

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We're talking about what really did happen, not how you wish it happened. Big difference.

1) A bunch of guys fell from the sky in international waters.
2) The people on the boat grabbed what ever they could to defend their ship.
3) Gods chosen people didn't look so good when all that was found on the ships were hospital supplies.

The facts mam....just the facts.

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[falxori 0]

sounds like you have a serious inferiority complex.
We are god's chosen people, live with it.
Show me one religion (including yours) that doesn't say they're god's favorites?
would be a hard sell if they didn't...
but that's irrelevant for this incident

your posts make no sense.
it's almost amusing...

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We're talking about what really did happen, not how you wish it happened. Big difference.

1) A bunch of guys fell from the sky in international waters.
2) The people on the boat grabbed what ever they could to defend their ship.
3) Gods chosen people didn't look so good when all that was found on the ships were hospital supplies.

The facts mam....just the facts.

1) The "peace activists" new they were fgoing to be boarded and searched.
2) They resisted the searcha nd boarding with deadly force.
3) Depends on your perspective on who looks good inthis situation.


just the facts

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[airtwardo 7]

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it's almost amusing...

'almost'

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[shah269 0]

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your posts make no sense.
it's almost amusing...

So is the rational for why "gods chosen" people oppress those that are not chosen.

What we are looking at really is the world's last remaining segregated state. And much like all those that came before it will either integrate or fall.

I'm sorry it's how evolution works. You can kick and kill but change will come. And one day, hopefully sooner than later their society will have to learn how to integrate with those who they have displaced.

And if they get lucky they will build casinos and offer tax free smokes!

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[Kennedy 0]

What, you think the people in Gaza and te Arabs want to INTEGRATE with the Jews in Israel? You must be calling them liars then, becaus that's not what they said.

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[shah269 0]

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What, you think the people in Gaza and te Arabs want to INTEGRATE with the Jews in Israel? You must be calling them liars then, becaus that's not what they said.

The #1 way of preventing terrorism is to provide people with two unalienable human rights.
1) Right to freedom of movement and assembly.
2) Right to work and make a living.

Note South Africa and the US with the Native Americans.
i.e. treat them as you wish to be treated.

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[MrDree 0]

Some of you don't seem to understand what it means to live in Gaza. I'm pretty sure that most of us would join the Hamas if we were in that situation. Do you think that palestinian women and children blow themselves up just for fun? It's their last resort, it's not terrorism, it's self-defence.

Read this article, then try to picture yourself living there. What would you do?

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And we shall not mention anything about how some well adjuges Eastern Europeans blew up a hotel where a few dozen English officers were hanging out so as to force the UN to leave the country thus allowing them to maybe stretch out a little?

If you are in international waters, and dudes jump on your ship you are 100% with in your own right kick their sorry asses off!

You are not so good with the history of that conflict are you.....they are carrying on a FINE tradition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni

From his base in Iraq, al-Husayni issued a fatwa for a holy war against Britain in May.[citation needed] Less than days later, the Rashid Ali government collapsed, Regent Abdul Ilah returned, and British troops occupied the country. As a result, al-Husayni fled to pro-German Persia where he was granted legation asylum first by the Empire of Japan and then by Fascist Italy. On October 8, after the occupation of Persia by the Allies and after the new Persian government of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi severed diplomatic relations with the Axis powers, al-Husayni fled to German-occupied Europe[111] through Turkey and Albania.[citation needed] Specifically, he fled to Fascist Italy with the Italian diplomats who provided him with an Italian service passport. To avoid recognition, al-Husayni changed his appearance by shaving his beard and dying his hair.[11

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Recent Nazi documents uncovered in the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Military Archive Service in Freiburg [3] by two researchers, Klaus Michael Mallmann and Martin Cüppers indicated that in the event of the British being defeated in Egypt by Generalfeldmarschall Erwin Rommel's Afrika Korps the Nazis had planned to deploy a special unit called Einsatzkommando Ägypten to exterminate Palestinian Jews and that they wanted Arab support to prevent the emergence of a Jewish state. In their book the researchers concluded that, "the most important collaborator with the Nazis and an absolute Arab anti-Semite was Haj Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem.'[137]

[kelpdiver 2]

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Look if you accidentally start switching to a nicer German accent while formulating your arguments keep going with it. Why fight it!

Your attempts to call the Israelis the second coming of Nazis is almost funny. But as pointed out, your side is the one with an agenda of genocide, and is the one that targets civilians rather than soldiers.

[Darius11 12]

That’s the hypocrisy that they seem to miss.

What’s the expectation? You are violating intentional law by boarding a ship (that no matter how many time Sunny wants to say) barring a flag of a country that YOUR NOT AT WAR WITH (get your facts straight).
There is surprise that the people resisted!!!!!!!!!!???????

What’s the expectation?
I love how some like to pretend like the IDF has anything other then a violent history. They have assassinated people (once again against international laws), They shoot mothers with their infants, Use phosphors on schools, and people are wondering why the people on board didn’t just depend on the IDF gentle and kinds hands?
I love the justifications they attempted to use.
How many times have you seen video of kids throwing rocks, while the IDF shoots bullets don’t forget that’s ok in their book as well.

Basically any cruelty is ok as long as its done by the Israelis to others.

This is not the first time. The same group here who blindly supports state sponsor murder is the same group that was making excuses for the IDF when their bulldozer ran over an American girl who was protesting.

I guess she was just trying to get her 72 virgins as well.


Don’t waist your time man. These people have sold their soul they simply look at it as must support my Jewish brothers no matter what. Sad really when you consider that type of thinking has always led to war, and genocide.

Then again I think some of the Israeli supporters would have no problem with genocide either as long its there boys doing the killing.

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[Kennedy 0]

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The #1 way of preventing terrorism is to provide people with two unalienable human rights.
1) Right to freedom of movement and assembly.
2) Right to work and make a living.

You left out a really important number 3

3) Right to be free of Jews in the middle east. Yep, move out all those pesky Jews and terrorism might actually decline (for a few months).

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[Kennedy 0]

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Some of you don't seem to understand what it means to live in Gaza. I'm pretty sure that most of us would join the Hamas if we were in that situation. Do you think that palestinian women and children blow themselves up just for fun? It's their last resort, it's not terrorism, it's self-defence.

Read this article, then try to picture yourself living there. What would you do?

I'm really glad you brought that up.

You can call unconventional tactics self defense or the weaker side's offense, but only if you go after military targets. You don't get to claim self-defense when you set off bombs in crowded restaurants and public places. You don't get to claim self-defense when dropping rockets on civilian neighborhoods. It's a lot like the IRA. They had a lot of support going after military patorls and the occasional politician. When they went for cafes and street corners, they crossed the line from resistance to terrorists.

You also don't get to be all upset about your schools and holy places getting blown up when you attack from there or hide you munitions there.

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[sundevil777 102]

Perhaps you get your news from Alja-liars, or Reuters, BBC, the guardian, etc. They have been shown to fabricate the news instead of report it, and to simply report what palestinian advocates say without checking if it is true.

Try http://honestreporting.com/ I understand that it might be offensive to consider that what you think is not true, especially when it comes from a Jewish source, but you might try if you really are interested in confirming what you believe. They don't pretend to be unbiased, as compared to mainstream sources such as Reuters, BBC...

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[shah269 0]

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The #1 way of preventing terrorism is to provide people with two unalienable human rights.
1) Right to freedom of movement and assembly.
2) Right to work and make a living.

You left out a really important number 3

3) Right to be free of Jews in the middle east. Yep, move out all those pesky Jews and terrorism might actually decline (for a few months).

Actually the way that population is going...odds are in a few years they may need to really start importing boat loads of Eastern Europeans just so they can keep their 1-4 numbers!

Look at the past, look before the little hotel boom boom before all the land grabs almsot every one but the christians lived in peace with each other.

But then a few dozen boats arrived because no one in the west wanted these people and land was taken and it all went to shit.

But back on topic, the facts...only the facts.
International waters? Check!
Cvilians? Check!
Some one jumps on the ship? Check!
The passangers do their best to kick their sorry asses off? Check?

Hell man what next? Are you going to say what the Samali pirates are doing is ok? I mean really.

But i know i know...gods chosen people....can't question what they do because "god" may get pissed.

Speaking of which has any one seen this "god"?
We need to talk to him about a few things!

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Then again I think some of the Israeli supporters would have no problem with genocide either as long its there boys doing the killing.

If Israel had the same interest in genocide as your brothers, the conflict would have ended long ago.

And if your side had the same military advantage as Israel, the conflict would have ended long ago. (Well, not for lack of effort here)

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That’s the hypocrisy that they seem to miss.

Do you deny that there is hypocrisy (and much worse) on both sides int he Israeli-Arab conflict?

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What’s the expectation? You are violating intentional law by boarding a ship (that no matter how many time Sunny wants to say) barring a flag of a country that YOUR NOT AT WAR WITH (get your facts straight).
There is surprise that the people resisted!!!!!!!!!!???????

It's called an embargo. Blockade works, too. You don't let ships through bearing any flag but your own and your allies. And remember Israel wasn't the only country inolved in screening items sent to Gaza.

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What’s the expectation?
I love how some like to pretend like the IDF has anything other then a violent history. They have assassinated people (once again against international laws), They shoot mothers with their infants, Use phosphors on schools, and people are wondering why the people on board didn’t just depend on the IDF gentle and kinds hands?

The first five or six ships did go along with the IDF boaders, and surprise surprise, no one died. The sixth ship, which planned violence all along, ended up with a body count. Should I be shocked?

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I love the justifications they attempted to use.
How many times have you seen video of kids throwing rocks, while the IDF shoots bullets don’t forget that’s ok in their book as well.

I don't know about yuo, but my head is not rock-proof. I've seen heads split open with rocks. Hell, throwing big rocks at people qualifies as deadly force. Responding in kind is the generally accepted self-defense. It's been done at the US southern border, and they're generally dealing with drug runners and human trafficking, not people intent on destroying our entire country.

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Sad really when you consider that type of thinking has always led to war, and genocide.

Then again I think some of the Israeli supporters would have no problem with genocide either as long its there boys doing the killing.

Funny how Israel doesn't say its goal is genocide, nor is it practicing genocide. Their enemies, however, preach that exact thing and seem to be doing their damnedest to carry through on that threat.

Darius, the plain and simple fact is that Israel and its enemies have both done terrible things, neither side is innocent. Don't go playing the poor little victim when Gaza was taken when other surrounding countries attacked Israel. If you start a war and get your ass whipped, don't be upset when you lose a bit of land. And it's not like that Arab world really gives a shit about Palestinians anyway. Low man on the totem pole would at least indicate they are considered human. From what I've seen, most Arabs consider them little better than Jews.

Quick question: does Israel have as much right to exist as any other country?

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[Kennedy 0]

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Look at the past, look before the little hotel boom boom before all the land grabs almsot every one but the christians lived in peace with each other.

But then a few dozen boats arrived because no one in the west wanted these people and land was taken and it all went to shit.

Who the fuck taught you your history? You need a refund and some serious research.

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But back on topic, the facts...only the facts.
International waters? Check!
Cvilians? Check!
Some one jumps on the ship? Check!
The passangers do their best to kick their sorry asses off? Check!

Aside from leaving out the part about a legal blockade and the intention of making headlines by causing problems rather than any intent to actually help the people in Gaza, check.

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Hell man what next? Are you going to say what the Samali pirates are doing is ok? I mean really.

I mean really, have you read the thread? That's a piss poor analogy and has been both debunked, and answered already.

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[shah269 0]

You know what I find funny.
The irony of the situation.

Didn't the Germans round up all the Jews of Eastern Europe and force them to live in very confined space and slowly starved them to deah?

Now haven't the Israelies done the same thing with the Palestenians? Execpt that unlike the Jews these darn good for nothing Palestenians keep fighting badk and not starving! I mean really! Don't they know they are not gods chosen people! God only likes people of European decent who can't get tans.

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[shah269 0]

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I mean really, have you read the thread? That's a piss poor analogy and has been both debunked, and answered already.

OK they lack the helecopters and dont' clamin to be gods people oh...and they can tan!

So......why can't their actions be ok? I mean they could in theory just declare war on any country they want jump their ship and take all the goodies....right?

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