An interesting analysis of the flotilla coverage

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This thread is a seminal example of why there will never be peace in the Middle East.

"Americas only friend in the middle east can do no wrong."

see how easy was that! And that's how you argue.
Not bring up basic human rights or any of that fun stuff. Go right into the can do no wrong.
It's a great place to be.

You place a pouplation in a refugee camp, drprive them of their basic human rights and then wonder why they want to kill you?
"Americas only friend in the middle east can do no wrong."

See! It's easy! Give it a shot!

Wht makes you so anti Jew?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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maybe its their track record of being arrogant lairs, how many times have they been caught forging passports to kill people outside israel? when a swedish reporter claimed the idf had taken organs for transplants the jews denied it and made him look like a asshole but when israelie doctors and idf personal came forward and said that it did happen did the jews come forward and admit it ?fuck no we just heard no more about it.the list could go on for ever.. why does the un want more then an idf probe? maybe its becouse they have been caught lying so many times (or just say no comment) that you can't believe them .

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maybe its their track record of being arrogant lairs, how many times have they been caught forging passports to kill people outside israel? when a swedish reporter claimed the idf had taken organs for transplants the jews denied it and made him look like a asshole but when israelie doctors and idf personal came forward and said that it did happen did the jews come forward and admit it ?fuck no we just heard no more about it.the list could go on for ever.. why does the un want more then an idf probe? maybe its becouse they have been caught lying so many times (or just say no comment) that you can't believe them .

Maybe. But I think I'll wait for his answer, thanks.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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Well I am a Christian but I acknowlede the Hebrews/Jews as the "chosen people" still.....

just to be clear, i dont think jews are a chosen people.
nor does most israelis and this whole stupid concept is irrelevant.

using religion aand what color are people (without even knowing that most israelis are pretty colorful too) is stupid and racist

I agree with that and I was not trying to use religion just replying to a statement. You do not have to believe that. As for using religion or color for wars etc. it happens all too much

Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it.
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how can one of the best trained and equiped armies in the world make so many mistakes like , gee we didn' know that was a school we just blew up ,gee we didn't know that was a un warehouse we just blew up or we didn't know there was civilians in that building (after they just moved them there themselfs) the list goes on amd on. the reply of, there was an arab standing there so he had to be a bad guy just don't cut it .when the number of women and kids killed outnumber the militants i think your doing something wrong, even if your set up you should be smart enough to not keep playing into their hands

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how can one of the best trained and equiped armies in the world make so many mistakes like , gee we didn' know that was a school we just blew up ,gee we didn't know that was a un warehouse we just blew up or we didn't know there was civilians in that building (after they just moved them there themselfs) the list goes on amd on. the reply of, there was an arab standing there so he had to be a bad guy just don't cut it .when the number of women and kids killed outnumber the militants i think your doing something wrong, even if your set up you should be smart enough to not keep playing into their hands

I see you think those god damn jews just indiscriminately attack any target they wish to

What flavor Kool-Aid is it you are guzzling? Jihadi Green?????



The people YOU are supporting by your ludicrous statements DO USE CIVILIANS as human sheilds... just so fucking morons will whine and piss all over themselves trying to justify their hatred of jews.

All those places you say were attacked???? HMMM could it be they were attacked because HAMAS and HEZBOLAH were ATTACKING Israel from there????

Your Jihadi buddies do it for a simple reason.. for weak minds who have no ability to rub a few brain cells together and figure out that the ISRAELI's when attacked from a location ATTACK BACK.... They DO NOT nor have they EVER PURPOSELY target civilian areas.. as your Jihadi "freedom fighters" do and then celebrate the civilian deaths they cause.

ITS A FUCKING WAR.... the Israeli's target those who are attacking them.. and its pretty evident to those with a couple brain cells of who is going after civilians on purpose and who regrets killing them when they get in the way.. because of a TACTIC your side is using.

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The people YOU are supporting by your ludicrous statements DO USE CIVILIANS as human sheilds... just so fucking morons will whine and piss all over themselves trying to justify their hatred of jews.

All those places you say were attacked???? HMMM could it be they were attacked because HAMAS and HEZBOLAH were ATTACKING Israel from there????

Your Jihadi buddies do it for a simple reason.. for weak minds who have no ability to rub a few brain cells together and figure out that the ISRAELI's when attacked from a location ATTACK BACK.... They DO NOT nor have they EVER PURPOSELY target civilian areas.. as your Jihadi "freedom fighters" do and then celebrate the civilian deaths they cause.

ITS A FUCKING WAR.... the Israeli's target those who are attacking them.. and its pretty evident to those with a couple brain cells of who is going after civilians on purpose and who regrets killing them when they get in the way.. because of a TACTIC your side is using.

So, just to make it clear: you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members? It's okay to kill women and children because they are used as human shields? Is that what you're saying?

"One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching."

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when a swedish reporter claimed the idf had taken organs for transplants the jews denied it and made him look like a asshole but when israelie doctors and idf personal came forward and said that it did happen

What the hell are you talking about?
another figment of the imagination such as Israel poisoning the water and using nuclear weapons in Gaza?

These accusations are made up, and you adding that some in Israel actually admitted to taking organs is nothing but a vicious lie. period.

show me where you saw that "Israeli doctors and idf personal came forward and said that it did happen".

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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What flavor Kool-Aid is it you are guzzling? Jihadi Green?????

Why is it that in your book, anyone who critcises the actions of the IDF is automatically a jihadist and wants Israel destroyed? Seems pretty closed minded, wouldn't you agree?

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They DO NOT nor have they EVER PURPOSELY target civilian areas.

BULLSHIT and you know it.




When they dropped a 2000lbs bomb on a suburban area that killed 9 kids they didn’t know civilians including children would die?

Really I think you need to put down the kool-aid.

And last I checked if you call a murderer a murderer it doesn’t mean you hate Jews it means you hate murder.

You constantly talk about jihad and the normal shit you spew out. Believe it or not life is not that black and white.

You do not have to be a jihadest to understand there is suffering in Gaza and that Israel has a very long reputation of cruelty. But I guess in your world that would get too complicated.

Keep things pure black and white in your head we wouldn’t want you too get a headache.

And by the way That operation was considered a great success and Israel only apologized when international outrage was once again raised.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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The people YOU are supporting by your ludicrous statements DO USE CIVILIANS as human sheilds... just so fucking morons will whine and piss all over themselves trying to justify their hatred of jews.

All those places you say were attacked???? HMMM could it be they were attacked because HAMAS and HEZBOLAH were ATTACKING Israel from there????

Your Jihadi buddies do it for a simple reason.. for weak minds who have no ability to rub a few brain cells together and figure out that the ISRAELI's when attacked from a location ATTACK BACK.... They DO NOT nor have they EVER PURPOSELY target civilian areas.. as your Jihadi "freedom fighters" do and then celebrate the civilian deaths they cause.

ITS A FUCKING WAR.... the Israeli's target those who are attacking them.. and its pretty evident to those with a couple brain cells of who is going after civilians on purpose and who regrets killing them when they get in the way.. because of a TACTIC your side is using.

So, just to make it clear: you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members? It's okay to kill women and children because they are used as human shields? Is that what you're saying?

And your EXPERT opinion... how many times have they WITHSTRAINED themselves from firing.....??????????????

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What flavor Kool-Aid is it you are guzzling? Jihadi Green?????

Why is it that in your book, anyone who critcises the actions of the IDF is automatically a jihadist and wants Israel destroyed? Seems pretty closed minded, wouldn't you agree?

Because 9 times out of 10 the persons doing the criticizings anti-semitism is just dripping and oozing all over their posts.

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You speak of jihadest, racism oddly most of you whoa are Israel supporters are the ones motivated by race and religion. As stated many times before you can not set a standard of right or wrong. International law, humanitarian law, or the UN in your world they only matter if they agree with you.

Who is motivated purely by race and religion here? It sure looks like you guys are.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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BULLSHIT And you know it

If there is suffering.... MAKE PEACE

I know that is way too simplistic for you.. but you know that HAMAS and HEZZBOLLAH and the Iranian mullahs who control them view this as a HOLY WAR. (surprise surprise surprise)

There will be no peace till Muslims are willing to once again accept other religions right to exist and to worship god the way they see fit... NOT CONVERT OR DIE

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And your EXPERT opinion... how many times have they WITHSTRAINED themselves from firing.....??????????????

You tell us expert?

And also fill in what happened in these instances. Oh and there are thousands more.

Did they WITHSTRAINED running over the American girl with a bulldozer?

How about the sniper talking about shooting the mother and her infant

Massive bombs dropped on schools, civilin areas.


Let me guess your excuse is all the Palestinians have been pushed in to a corner so if there is a bad guy in that crowded corner you pushed them in now you can kill them all and feel good about your self.

Great logic.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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BULLSHIT And you know it

If there is suffering.... MAKE PEACE

I know that is way too simplistic for you.. but you know that HAMAS and HEZZBOLLAH and the Iranian mullahs who control them view this as a HOLY WAR. (surprise surprise surprise)

There will be no peace till Muslims are willing to once again accept other religions right to exist and to worship god the way they see fit... NOT CONVERT OR DIE

So you admiting that what you sad here

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They DO NOT nor have they EVER PURPOSELY target civilian areas.

Is bull shit then?

At least thats a first step.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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The people YOU are supporting by your ludicrous statements DO USE CIVILIANS as human sheilds... just so fucking morons will whine and piss all over themselves trying to justify their hatred of jews.

All those places you say were attacked???? HMMM could it be they were attacked because HAMAS and HEZBOLAH were ATTACKING Israel from there????

Your Jihadi buddies do it for a simple reason.. for weak minds who have no ability to rub a few brain cells together and figure out that the ISRAELI's when attacked from a location ATTACK BACK.... They DO NOT nor have they EVER PURPOSELY target civilian areas.. as your Jihadi "freedom fighters" do and then celebrate the civilian deaths they cause.

ITS A FUCKING WAR.... the Israeli's target those who are attacking them.. and its pretty evident to those with a couple brain cells of who is going after civilians on purpose and who regrets killing them when they get in the way.. because of a TACTIC your side is using.

So, just to make it clear: you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members? It's okay to kill women and children because they are used as human shields? Is that what you're saying?

And your EXPERT opinion... how many times have they WITHSTRAINED themselves from firing.....??????????????

("withstrain"? What does that mean? Did you mean "restrain"? I'm sorry, english isn't my first language)

So using your logic, the 9/11 attacks are justified, because of all those other times when al-qaida have restrained themselves from attacking the US?

"One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching."

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BULLSHIT And you know it

If there is suffering.... MAKE PEACE

I know that is way too simplistic for you.. but you know that HAMAS and HEZZBOLLAH and the Iranian mullahs who control them view this as a HOLY WAR. (surprise surprise surprise)

There will be no peace till Muslims are willing to once again accept other religions right to exist and to worship god the way they see fit... NOT CONVERT OR DIE

So you admiting that what you sad here

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They DO NOT nor have they EVER PURPOSELY target civilian areas.

Is bull shit then?

At least thats a first step.

I am sure that your education taught you interesting things.. but some of us REALLLY do question that which we see.

Have you ever seen me say the Israeli's HAVE done some fucked up shit?????

BUT you are incapable of seeing anything but that which you were taught in your upbringing.OR worse still admitting that what the Palistinians have and continue to do is WRONG.. thsts ok for you and your fellow travellers.. but PLEASE do not think you can fool all of us infidels all of the time.

I am really bad at accepting SMOKE BEING BLOWN UP MY ASS... others it seems are more than willing to accept it.

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Is it the policy of HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH to kill civilians?????


Is it the policy of Israel to attack civilians?????

The first step to enlightenment is knowledge.

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Is it the policy of HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH to kill civilians?????

Is it the policy of Israel to attack civilians?????

The first step to enlightenment is knowledge.

I don't know what their policies are, but both sides do kill civilians. And looking at the numbers, it seems Tsahal is way better at that game than Hamas... Obviously it's a lot easier to do when you use combat helicopters, fighter aircrafts, drones, and air-to-ground missiles.


BUt you didn't answer my previous questions:

- Do you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members? Is it okay to kill women and children because they are used as human shields?

- Do you think the 9/11 attacks justified, because of all those other times when al-qaida have restrained themselves from attacking the US?

"One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching."

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Is it the policy of HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH to kill civilians?????

Is it the policy of Israel to attack civilians?????

The first step to enlightenment is knowledge.

I don't know what their policies are, but both sides do kill civilians. And looking at the numbers, it seems Tsahal is way better at that game than Hamas... Obviously it's a lot easier to do when you use combat helicopters, fighter aircrafts, drones, and air-to-ground missiles.


BUt you didn't answer my previous questions:

- Do you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members? Is it okay to kill women and children because they are used as human shields?

- Do you think the 9/11 attacks justified, because of all those other times when al-qaida have restrained themselves from attacking the US?

HOW is that smoke feelling up there?????

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So, just to make it clear: you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members? It's okay to kill women and children because they are used as human shields? Is that what you're saying?

Let's be clear on this.... I DO think it's ok. How many civilians will those 3 Hamas members kill in the future? How many "innocent women and children" being used as shields KNOW wtf Hamas is doing and support it? If they don't support it, then why don't they do what they can to LEAVE the area?

Maybe, just maybe, if the populace really don't support Hamas, they'll tire of the bullshit and do something about it so the IDF doesn't have to.

If you, and anybody / everybody else, are so infuriated by the actions of one side or the other, then why don't you man up and go over there to support the side you think is right?

Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born...

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So, just to make it clear: you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members? It's okay to kill women and children because they are used as human shields? Is that what you're saying?

Let's be clear on this.... I DO think it's ok. How many civilians will those 3 Hamas members kill in the future? How many "innocent women and children" being used as shields KNOW wtf Hamas is doing and support it? If they don't support it, then why don't they do what they can to LEAVE the area?

Maybe, just maybe, if the populace really don't support Hamas, they'll tire of the bullshit and do something about it so the IDF doesn't have to.

If you, and anybody / everybody else, are so infuriated by the actions of one side or the other, then why don't you man up and go over there to support the side you think is right?

I don't think its ok... really.. but as you pointed out WAY too many of those "innocent" civilians are WILLING combatants and supporting anything that HAMAS or Hezzbollah does.

They will not leave... far too many of them feel their support will be rewarded by Allah for being martyrs/shahid.

Its the way so many of them have been raised and brainwashed.

If being a martyr is such a great deal, how come all the mullahs and HAMAS leaders are not right there on the front lines sacrificing themselves so they can get to ALLAH????

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So, just to make it clear: you think it's justified to bomb a school or an hospital and kill 30 civilians to get rid of 3 hamas members?

If the school has been used to store explosives or to fire rocket from its back yard, it is no longer considered a civilian target by any kind of international law.

the fact that there are still civilians there when they shoot from there is 100% Hamas' fault (and is intentional)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSvarVSwwSA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3IBttqOAgA&feature=related Check out the 34 sec mark on this one. It says a lot about collateral casualties from Israeli rockets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqV1zYAPqVc&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejVJWSTTpY&feature=related

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