Obama Liar Liar

[SkyDekker 1,465]

What twist?

You stated it was the same intel. You stated the story line was the same for 15 years.

It makes the question i raised perfectly valid.

Do you believe the Intel that was used to make the decision to go to war was 15 years old?

[rushmc 23]

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What twist?

You stated it was the same intel. You stated the story line was the same for 15 years.

It makes the question i raised perfectly valid.

Do you believe the Intel that was used to make the decision to go to war was 15 years old?

No

All were looking at the same intel (as it evolved) for years
The politicians story line was for those many years that Iran had WMD's and were developing more

I have no idea when the decision was made but it is obvious that Bush did make that decision. That decision however was not based on Bush lies.

Senators and others were saying for years the same thing Bush said in the end and I have posted those quotes here before.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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What twist?

You stated it was the same intel. You stated the story line was the same for 15 years.

It makes the question i raised perfectly valid.

Do you believe the Intel that was used to make the decision to go to war was 15 years old?

No

All were looking at the same intel (as it evolved) for years
The politicians story line was for those many years that Iran had WMD's and were developing more

I have no idea when the decision was made but it is obvious that Bush did make that decision. That decision however was not based on Bush lies.

Senators and others were saying for years the same thing Bush said in the end and I have posted those quotes here before.

Can you please check with the bug brain of the EIB and get back to us with the name of the country we actually attacked???

[rushmc 23]

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What twist?

You stated it was the same intel. You stated the story line was the same for 15 years.

It makes the question i raised perfectly valid.

Do you believe the Intel that was used to make the decision to go to war was 15 years old?

No

All were looking at the same intel (as it evolved) for years
The politicians story line was for those many years that Iran had WMD's and were developing more

I have no idea when the decision was made but it is obvious that Bush did make that decision. That decision however was not based on Bush lies.

Senators and others were saying for years the same thing Bush said in the end and I have posted those quotes here before.

Can you please check with the bug brain of the EIB and get back to us with the name of the country we actually attacked???

You know what I meant
It is a long fall of that horse named Hypocrit

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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No

All were looking at the same intel (as it evolved) for years
The politicians story line was for those many years that Iran had WMD's and were developing more

I have no idea when the decision was made but it is obvious that Bush did make that decision. That decision however was not based on Bush lies.

Senators and others were saying for years the same thing Bush said in the end and I have posted those quotes here before.

Is it not possible that in the year leading up to the invasion, Intel not supporting the president's position was dismissed? That this Intel was never presented to anybody?

Congress wouldn't know. They would still hold onto their old position, without having knowledge the Intel they were relying in was not correct.

This is a scenario that is impossible to you?

[rushmc 23]

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No

All were looking at the same intel (as it evolved) for years
The politicians story line was for those many years that Iran had WMD's and were developing more

I have no idea when the decision was made but it is obvious that Bush did make that decision. That decision however was not based on Bush lies.

Senators and others were saying for years the same thing Bush said in the end and I have posted those quotes here before.

Is it not possible that in the year leading up to the invasion, Intel not supporting the president's position was dismissed? That this Intel was never presented to anybody?

Congress wouldn't know. They would still hold onto their old position, without having knowledge the Intel they were relying in was not correct.

This is a scenario that is impossible to you?

No
It is not impossible but by their own admissions and the reports congress was briefed regulary

Point is, the positions did not change until AFTER the war started and the left saw a change to make political hay

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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It is not impossible but by their own admissions and the reports congress was briefed regulary

Uhmm, obviously they would not be briefed with the information that was dismissed.

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Point is, the positions did not change until AFTER the war started and the left saw a change to make political hay

Or when they found out that the information they were shown was screened and Intel not supporting that position was surpressed?

[rushmc 23]

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It is not impossible but by their own admissions and the reports congress was briefed regulary

Uhmm, obviously they would not be briefed with the information that was dismissed.

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Point is, the positions did not change until AFTER the war started and the left saw a change to make political hay

Or when they found out that the information they were shown was screened and Intel not supporting that position was surpressed?

Look, you can twist this however you want to keep your world view, but the fact remains the story was constant until after the war started and the left saw the political opening. There is nothing out there anywhere that says congress was mislead. That is the DNC's and kallends story and they are sticking to it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Look, you can twist this however you want to keep your world view, but the fact remains the story was constant until after the war started and the left saw the political opening. There is nothing out there anywhere that says congress was mislead. That is the DNC's and kallends story and they are sticking to it

Not about my world view. Your logic and reasoning are seriously flawed, regardless of my world view.

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There is nothing out there anywhere that says congress was mislead.

I am more concerned about the public being mislead.

[rushmc 23]

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Look, you can twist this however you want to keep your world view, but the fact remains the story was constant until after the war started and the left saw the political opening. There is nothing out there anywhere that says congress was mislead. That is the DNC's and kallends story and they are sticking to it

Not about my world view. Your logic and reasoning are seriously flawed, regardless of my world view.

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There is nothing out there anywhere that says congress was mislead.

I am more concerned about the public being mislead.

Me too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Me too

Like the public being told that Saddam might give chemical, biological or maybe even nuclear weapons to terrorist, while intelligence officials had indicated that was very unlikely.

Or, repeated claims that Iraq had trained AQ operatives in the use of poison gas.....all while pentagon officials seriously doubted that was true.

One might start to think the public was being deliberately mislead to gain support for an invasion.....

[Bolas 5]

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I have said plenty of the availability. Cost, don't give a shit. When I'm fixing an aircraft we don't decide if we can fix it, we fix it at all costs as it relates to public safety; get it?

This sort of attitude is why healthcare, air travel, and many other things are so expensive.

If the cost to fix a plane is more than a replacement, it doesn't really make sense to repair it, does it?

More perversion of the system in the name of "safety."

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wmw999 2,461]

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the fact remains the story was constant until after the war started and the left saw the political opening

No, it wasn't. Some folks only saw a consistent story, but other versions were certainly there. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't have been such opposition in the buildup to the war.

Plenty of people believed the UN arms inspectors, and plenty of people believed that Iraq, 7000 miles away, didn't really have that much capability to harm the US. And few reputable people thought that Iraq had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11.

But if you ignore all those people, then the story is constant.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

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the fact remains the story was constant until after the war started and the left saw the political opening

No, it wasn't. Some folks only saw a consistent story, but other versions were certainly there. If that weren't the case, there wouldn't have been such opposition in the buildup to the war.

Plenty of people believed the UN arms inspectors, and plenty of people believed that Iraq, 7000 miles away, didn't really have that much capability to harm the US. And few reputable people thought that Iraq had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11.

But if you ignore all those people, then the story is constant.

Wendy P.

I am not ignoring them Wendy. They most certinly were there but, this thread is in the constant context of Bush lied, which is a bull shit assurtion. It is a politicaly calculated statement however

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,461]

If he wilfully ignored dissenting opinions, then he was a poor leader in that arena. And if he surrounded himself with people who would only give him agreeing opinions, then he was a poor leader in that arena.

That's exactly the criticism of NASA in the aftermath of both Challenger and Columbia. And it was accurate.

The problem, of course, is that if the leader spends too much time listening to dissenting opinions, nothing ever gets done. Which is why leaders get all the criticism.

And, yeah, sometimes they suck.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[loudtom 5]

John you speak as if the world would be better with Iraq the way it was. The U.N. had already passed a resolution to use force. Military force not fairy dust for christ sake...
When the U.N. wants something done...the U.S. does it.
Period. Anyone else standing up for us now. Yes but oblamo didn't let them in the country.
All those who would rather have Iraq the way it was please go there now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tom #90 #54 #08 and now #5 with a Bronze :-)

[loudtom 5]

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Me too

Like the public being told that Saddam might give chemical, biological or maybe even nuclear weapons to terrorist, while intelligence officials had indicated that was very unlikely.

Or, repeated claims that Iraq had trained AQ operatives in the use of poison gas.....all while pentagon officials seriously doubted that was true.

One might start to think the public was being deliberately mislead to gain support for an invasion.....

see my previous post please....

tom #90 #54 #08 and now #5 with a Bronze :-)

[grimmie 186]

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John you speak as if the world would be better with Iraq the way it was. The U.N. had already passed a resolution to use force. Military force not fairy dust for christ sake...
When the U.N. wants something done...the U.S. does it.
Period. Anyone else standing up for us now. Yes but oblamo didn't let them in the country.
All those who would rather have Iraq the way it was please go there now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are thousands and thousands of dead Iraqis that wish it was the way it used to be. The world's economy wishes it used to be the same, and a LOT of very brave dead US citizens wish it used to be the way it was. Invading Iraq was the stupidest idea since Vietnam.
http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/ihrli/pdf/hong.pdf

There always has to be a "Boogieman" under the US of A's bed...

[jakee 1,501]

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John you speak as if the world would be better with Iraq the way it was. The U.N. had already passed a resolution to use force. Military force not fairy dust for christ sake...
When the U.N. wants something done...the U.S. does it.

When the UN wants something done? Seriously?

You make it sound like Kofi Annan wandered up to the White House out of the blue and said "Hey George - we've all decided that we should do something about Iraq, do ya think you could help us out?"

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Period. Anyone else standing up for us now. Yes but oblamo didn't let them in the country.

It would help if you could translate that into english.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rhaig 0]

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and a LOT of very brave dead US citizens wish it used to be the way it was.

curious... how close are you to the ones you're presuming to speak for here?

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Rob

[grimmie 186]

What the fuck does that question mean??

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John you speak as if the world would be better with Iraq the way it was. The U.N. had already passed a resolution to use force. Military force not fairy dust for christ sake...
When the U.N. wants something done...the U.S. does it.
Period. Anyone else standing up for us now. Yes but oblamo didn't let them in the country.
All those who would rather have Iraq the way it was please go there now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are thousands and thousands of dead Iraqis that wish it was the way it used to be. The world's economy wishes it used to be the same, and a LOT of very brave dead US citizens wish it used to be the way it was. Invading Iraq was the stupidest idea since Vietnam.
http://www.law.depaul.edu/centers_institutes/ihrli/pdf/hong.pdf

There always has to be a "Boogieman" under the US of A's bed...

+4,606

[rhaig 0]

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What the fuck does that question mean??

you're presuming to speak for thousands of dead service men. How well did you know them? You know what they want apparently. You must have been close to all of them.

Certainly the majority of them wish they were still alive. But do thousands of them wish everything is as it was? How can you know that?

and what's with the hostility in your response? Don't get all defensive on me... I just politely asked you a question.

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Rob

[KidWicked 0]

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you're presuming to speak for thousands of dead service men. Certainly the majority of them wish they were still alive. But do thousands of them wish everything is as it was?

That's seriously the best you got?

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[billvon 3,009]

>John you speak as if the world would be better with Iraq the way it was.

I don't think that's the case. Personally, I would just prefer that the change happened the way it did in, say, the USSR.

>All those who would rather have Iraq the way it was please go there now!

So wait. You're claiming that Iraq hasn't really changed? If so, then why the hell did we kill tens of thousands of people and sacrifice thousands of Americans? Seems like a very poor deal.