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billvon 2,991
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>Just because someone gets a degree doesn't mean they are smart.
And just because someone wins a 4-way competition doesn't necessarily mean that they are any good at 4-way. But they _probably_ are better than people who don't win them.
And just because someone wins a 4-way competition doesn't necessarily mean that they are any good at 4-way. But they _probably_ are better than people who don't win them.
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Right, but Libertarians are simply disgruntled Repubs; this is their way of rebelling. Look at Ron Paul, running back and forth as a Liber, then Repub, repeat several times. See, Libertarians claim they feel that the gov should stay out of our lives and keep taxes low, yet you just don't see them at pro-choice rallies and I'm sure not at gay ralleys, etc.
How do you know? Do you survey? Or are these facts pulled out of your ass? By definition, a Libertarian is going to support gay marriage. What you're claiming is that all actual people are bastardized versions of the political creed.
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Billvon is a true Libertarian, not just a pissed off Republican.
You just said that all Libertarians are pissed off Republicans. But you didn't really mean that? Make up your mind already. Since you're claiming to be a mind reader, you should be able to tell what you're thinking.
Bolas 5
Quote>Just because someone gets a degree doesn't mean they are smart.
And just because someone wins a 4-way competition doesn't necessarily mean that they are any good at 4-way. But they _probably_ are better than people who don't win them.
You can cheat, BS, and/or lie and possibly get a degree. How would those enable you to win a 4 way comp?
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
billvon 2,991
>You can cheat, BS, and/or lie and possibly get a degree. How would those
>enable you to win a 4 way comp?
Same way. You could cheat, lie or BS. You could even be the only team in your division, which isn't even cheating.
Still, most people who win 4-way competitions are better at 4-way than people who don't win 4-way competitions.
>enable you to win a 4 way comp?
Same way. You could cheat, lie or BS. You could even be the only team in your division, which isn't even cheating.
Still, most people who win 4-way competitions are better at 4-way than people who don't win 4-way competitions.
Bolas 5
Quote>You can cheat, BS, and/or lie and possibly get a degree. How would those
>enable you to win a 4 way comp?
Same way. You could cheat, lie or BS. You could even be the only team in your division, which isn't even cheating.
Still, most people who win 4-way competitions are better at 4-way than people who don't win 4-way competitions.
Please explain how you can cheat, lie, or BS and turn more points on a videoed skydive.
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
billvon 2,991
>Please explain how you can cheat, lie, or BS and turn more points on
>a videoed skydive.
Cameraman can speed up video playback as it's being dubbed.
Cameraman can look away from the door until after exit (old French trick.) Gets them a few more tenths of a second.
Cameraman can get on level or get way high during points you tend to bust (another old French trick.)
You can have someone jump in your place using your jumpsuit/rig. Judges generally do not check carefully.
You can substitute an entire other team's video. Again, judges generally don't check.
You can mess with the other team's camera without their knowledge. Simply zooming them in all the way just before climbout will do the trick; video bust.
There are lots of ways. But again, most people who win 4-way competitions do so just because they're good 4-way skydivers.
>a videoed skydive.
Cameraman can speed up video playback as it's being dubbed.
Cameraman can look away from the door until after exit (old French trick.) Gets them a few more tenths of a second.
Cameraman can get on level or get way high during points you tend to bust (another old French trick.)
You can have someone jump in your place using your jumpsuit/rig. Judges generally do not check carefully.
You can substitute an entire other team's video. Again, judges generally don't check.
You can mess with the other team's camera without their knowledge. Simply zooming them in all the way just before climbout will do the trick; video bust.
There are lots of ways. But again, most people who win 4-way competitions do so just because they're good 4-way skydivers.
rhaig 0
Quote>Just because someone gets a degree doesn't mean they are smart.
And just because someone wins a 4-way competition doesn't necessarily mean that they are any good at 4-way. But they _probably_ are better than people who don't win them.
that would be a much better analogy if degrees were only handed out to the top XX percentage of the class.
Or to be more specific to your analogy, if you were discussing someone at the top of their college class.
To say that someone who enters and jumps in all rounds in a 4-way competition is better than someone who doesn't is off the mark. That's what a degree means. Someone who entered college and completed all their classes.
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Rob
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Bolas 5
Quote>Please explain how you can cheat, lie, or BS and turn more points on
>a videoed skydive.
Cameraman can speed up video playback as it's being dubbed.
Cameraman can look away from the door until after exit (old French trick.) Gets them a few more tenths of a second.
Cameraman can get on level or get way high during points you tend to bust (another old French trick.)
You can have someone jump in your place using your jumpsuit/rig. Judges generally do not check carefully.
You can substitute an entire other team's video. Again, judges generally don't check.
You can mess with the other team's camera without their knowledge. Simply zooming them in all the way just before climbout will do the trick; video bust.
There are lots of ways. But again, most people who win 4-way competitions do so just because they're good 4-way skydivers.
Fair enough. I'll take a different tactic.
Winning a competition is not the same as getting a diploma. In a competition there's only one winner per group. While there is a valedictorian, all the others who meet the requirements "win" a diploma as well.
Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.
quade 4
QuoteQuote>Just because someone gets a degree doesn't mean they are smart.
And just because someone wins a 4-way competition doesn't necessarily mean that they are any good at 4-way. But they _probably_ are better than people who don't win them.
You can cheat, BS, and/or lie and possibly get a degree. How would those enable you to win a 4 way comp?
You've never paid attention to 4-way at the international level; have you?
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JohnRich 4
QuotePlease explain how you can cheat, lie, or BS and turn more points on a videoed skydive.
I agree that it's harder to cheat on a video'd skydive than on a college test.
However, there have been people who "take advantage" of lax rules in this sport.
Thread drift warning!
One story is from the way-old days, when style (the old fashioned turn-turn-backloop kind) was judged through telemeters (big binoculars) from the ground, because freefall video hadn't been invented yet. One competitor was said to have just taken off his motorcycle helmet in freefall, waved it back and forth a couple of times, and then put it back on. From a distance, through the grainy telemeters, it looked like an amazingly fast legal style series.
Another example: A seasoned style and accuracy competitor wanted to compete in the collegiate national competition, but wasn't in college. So they enrolled for one class for one semester to meet the qualifications of being a college student, without any real intention of attending the classes. The real full-time college students in the competition were easy to beat.
And in more recent times, there have been plenty of RW competitors who took advantage of the experience requirements to jump in classes that were really beneath their skill level, in order to improve their chances of winning a medal. For example, three guys with thousands of jumps each, might pick up a fourth who has a few hundred, but is very talented, and then beat everyone else in the intermediate class, which is really intended for more novice team jumpers.
Yep, there are people who are unethical and willing to bend the rules. But they are few and far between, and the rules have been tightened up because of such abuses to eliminate them. Mostly.
billvon 2,991
>In a competition there's only one winner per group. While there is a
>valedictorian, all the others who meet the requirements "win" a diploma
>as well.
OK. In that case, change the analogy to someone who participates in, and gets, a big way world record. All the people on the record - even the ones who sucked but never got cut - "win" a record.
Nevertheless, it is fair to say that, in general, the people who get world records are better bigway skydivers than people who have not gotten world records. Even though there are undoubtedly exceptions.
>valedictorian, all the others who meet the requirements "win" a diploma
>as well.
OK. In that case, change the analogy to someone who participates in, and gets, a big way world record. All the people on the record - even the ones who sucked but never got cut - "win" a record.
Nevertheless, it is fair to say that, in general, the people who get world records are better bigway skydivers than people who have not gotten world records. Even though there are undoubtedly exceptions.
kallend 2,027
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To say that someone who enters and jumps in all rounds in a 4-way competition is better than someone who doesn't is off the mark. That's what a degree means. Someone who entered college and completed all their classes.
At our school you have to PASS all your classes with a "C" average or better. Just completing them gets you nothing.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteSo for all the University educated people who majored in business, science, technology, engineering and medical fields (plus a few others) my hat goes off to you people. You are very smart.
Just because someone gets a degree doesn't mean they are smart. All it means is they got the grades necessary to pass. That could be due to intelligence, but also could be cheating, a good bullshitter, etc.
As expensive as colleges have gotten, unless one has a way to pay for it besides going into massive debt, it just may not make economic sense for some careers anymore as well.
So what qualifications would you suggest for the folks who design the planes you fly in and the bridges you drive over?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rhaig 0
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To say that someone who enters and jumps in all rounds in a 4-way competition is better than someone who doesn't is off the mark. That's what a degree means. Someone who entered college and completed all their classes.
At our school you have to PASS all your classes with a "C" average or better. Just completing them gets you nothing.
I thought about that while writing that. I should have added it. doing too many things at once
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Rob
Rob
Neo-conservatism renders the primordial concept of:
Liberal = bad
Conservatism = good
with no explanation of why.
Lincoln was probably the most liberal of all presidents, yet he was also the 1st Republican, not considering the Democrat-Republican Party. Today's Republicans would have been 1860's Democrats.
I can't think of a time when liberal reform wasn't beneficial to/for most.
- Slavery abolition
- Woman's suffrage
- 1964 Civil Rights Act
Today's Republicans seem to think that Dems have always been the liberals and R's always conservative. Around Wilson's time they switched positions. Liberal has always meant, "progressive" but Democrat hasn't always meant, "liberal."
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