skyrider 0 #1 June 29, 2010 Are gonna love this one! 73-Year-Old Holds Burglary Suspect At Gunpoint SPARTANBURG, S.C. -- A man who deputies say burglarized a home got more than he bargained for when the gun-toting, tough-talking homeowner caught and held him until deputies showed up. Ken Easler, 73, said he went into his home on Jones Road before heading to the farmer’s market on Saturday morning when he heard someone inside the house. "I was taking produce to the market," he said. "I was going in the house to get something to drink." Easler said when he went into the house, he heard someone upstairs. He grabbed his gun and waited for the person to come downstairs. "I put the clip in and jacked one in the chamber, and when I did, he had already started down the steps. He sat down. He sat down and held onto the rail. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IMAGES: Homeowner Corners Robbery Suspect -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "(He) started saying stuff like, 'I had to use the bathroom so bad. I had to use your bathroom. I was walking down the road and I had this big urge to use that bathroom.'" But Easler wasn’t having it. "I told him, you know, ‘You'd better shut up and don't make any sudden moves.’" Easler ushered him through the house at gunpoint. "I put him in the bathroom and I told him, I said, ‘If you close the door,’ I said, ‘I'm going to fill it full of bullet holes, so don't close the door.’ "He was saying stuff like, 'I've never done anything like this before. If you let me go, I'll never do it again.’ He said, ‘I don't have anything. I didn't take anything.' Easler called 911. "I said, ‘We'll, I've got an intruder in my house and I've got him at gunpoint.’" He said the man then tried to get sympathy from him. "He started like hyper-ventilating. He said, 'I've got to have water -- my heart -- I've got to have water.' "At one point, he started faking a cry like a baby would cry. I said, ‘Shut up, that don't work either.' I said, 'You became a man when you came in my house.' and I said, ‘I don't want to hear no crying.'” Douglas Nickerson Deputies said when they arrived, they found Easler pointing his gun at a man, later identified as Douglas Nickerson, who was lying on the bathroom floor. Deputies said when they searched Nickerson, they found two rolls of dollar bills in his pocket. They put Nickerson in the back seat of the patrol car. They then asked Easler if he kept any cash in the house. Easler said he kept dollar bills in bundles of $50. The money was earned from sales at the farmer’s market. The money in Nickerson pocket was two bundles totaling $100. Nickerson was charged with residential burglary, unlawful entry and theft. Easler said he had never seen Nickerson before, and he has lived in the house since 1967. The 73-year-old said he wasn’t worried during his encounter with Nickerson. "I knew I had it under control because when I told him put his hands up, I told him, ‘Don't you take them down.’ I said, ‘If you do, I'm going to shoot you.’" http://www.wyff4.com/news/24068226/detail.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #2 June 29, 2010 Yep. There's usually a page of those kind of things every month in the NRA magazine. They call it "Armed Citizen"."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #3 June 29, 2010 Yep-that's just how we roll down hereYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #4 June 29, 2010 85 Year Old Woman Holds Burglar at Gunpoint, Makes Him Call the Police Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,406185,00.html Elderly woman holds intruder at gunpoint Source: http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/37112449.html Store clerks shoot and kill robbery suspect Source: http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12708001 Armed pizza guy faces off with robbery suspect Source: http://www.katu.com/news/local/97064594.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #5 June 29, 2010 Jewelry store owner investigated for shooting thief Source: www.cbc.ca PS: I am not 100% certain, but I don't think the police have charged the owner with anything yet in this story from last year. I know I support the guy, after all he was only trying to protect himself and his business after thugs entered his businesses brandishing their own weapons. But little did the low life thugs know that the owner was not about to play the soft easily preyed upon victim. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #6 June 29, 2010 Gee, there appears to be some posters conspicuously absent in this thread.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #7 June 29, 2010 Quote Gee, there appears to be some posters conspicuously absent in this thread. If today is an average day in the USA, some 80 - 100 people will die from gunshots today. Satisfied?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #8 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Gee, there appears to be some posters conspicuously absent in this thread. If today is an average day in the USA, some 80 - 100 people will die from gunshots today. Satisfied? Where da hell you get that number? are we talking criminals? suicides? self defence? Or you jut just like making up numbers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Gee, there appears to be some posters conspicuously absent in this thread. If today is an average day in the USA, some 80 - 100 people will die from gunshots today. Satisfied? How many of them are murders? Of the ones that are murders how many are drug related? how many are criminal on criminal?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,076 #10 June 29, 2010 >how many are criminal on criminal? That's disgusting. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Criminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 June 29, 2010 Quote >how many are criminal on criminal? That's disgusting. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Criminal. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #12 June 29, 2010 Quote Satisfied? Yes, I have never seen anyone tap dance like you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #13 June 29, 2010 Just to put my cards on the table before I reply, I call myself a liberal on most issues, but I am not a big gun control guy. I have no problem with the recent Supreme Court ruling, and I believe that if people want to arm themselves for protection within the framework of reasonable licensing requirements, that's fine. However, to throw around anecdotal evidence of random incidents where people have successfully defended themselves with guns proves nothing. It is just as easy to cite examples where gun ownership has turned horribly tragic. http://www.gainesville.com/article/20100621/articles/6211003 http://www.koat.com/news/23226724/detail.html http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/04/22/92679/deputys-3-year-old-daughter-dies.html Once again, I believe that an individual ought to have the choice to decide whether to possess a gun. It is possible that a gun owner may defend him or herself successfully at some point. It is also possible that the gun owner will watch as his or her child is lowered into an early grave. There are also numerous cases where domestic violence incidents have escalated tragically where guns are involved. http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/domviofs.htm If you want to own a gun, I say fine. No problem. But let's stop with argument based on the heroic home defender anecdotes. This argument just doesn't work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote If today is an average day in the USA, some 80 - 100 people will die from gunshots today. Satisfied? Where da hell you get that number? are we talking criminals? suicides? self defence? Or you jut just like making up numbers? yep, he lied again (or as the Brady types prefer to think, rounded up). The average is about 80, so the typical day will be more or less than 80. (in Chicago, expect higher). And of that 80, about 47 are suicides. interesting graphic that breaks down by age and type. Suicides tend to be among the older. http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/04/21/weekinreview/20070422_MARSH_GRAPHIC.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #15 June 29, 2010 Quote Gee, there appears to be some posters conspicuously absent in this thread. It's obviously just a circle jerk for gun nuts. As you were ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 June 29, 2010 Quote If you want to own a gun, I say fine. No problem. But let's stop with argument based on the heroic home defender anecdotes. This argument just doesn't work. They do work. They just don't work for free. If it were a free lunch, everyone would do it. The lowest estimate for defensive gun use is 60some thousand per year. And that's with a ridiculous filter that removes all cases where the gun was shown, but not fired. The high end is in the millions. Reality is somewhere in between. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #17 June 29, 2010 Quote However, to throw around anecdotal evidence of random incidents where people have successfully defended themselves with guns proves nothing. Sure it does. Each "anecdote" is a news story, backed-up with names and places, easily verifiable. Each one of those self-defense shooting incidents is one data point. And there are dozens or hundreds of them happening every day. Collectively, those data points become statistics. And what they show is that guns are quite often used in self defense in the hands of ordinary citizens. Professional studies have shown that such events happen as much as 2 million times per year. Simply anecdotes? Hardly. As for your other point, yes, guns can do either good or harm. So the question you should ask is, which occurs with greater frequency? Look up those anecdote-statistics, and you'll find that self-defense cases far outweigh incidents of children being shot in their own home by daddy's gun. And it's up to the parents to weigh the risks and rewards and decide if a gun is right for them, and what safeguards are necessary. I'm fully in favor of every law-abiding citizen having the right to make that choice for themselves. Sometimes tragedies happen, and we should work to educate people to reduce those. But taking guns away from everyone, leaving them defenseless against criminals, would be an even greater tragedy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #18 June 29, 2010 Quote Quote Quote If today is an average day in the USA, some 80 - 100 people will die from gunshots today. Satisfied? Where da hell you get that number? are we talking criminals? suicides? self defence? Or you jut just like making up numbers? yep, he lied again (or as the Brady types prefer to think, rounded up). The average is about 80, so the typical day will be more or less than 80. (in Chicago, expect higher). And of that 80, about 47 are suicides. interesting graphic that breaks down by age and type. Suicides tend to be among the older. http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/04/21/weekinreview/20070422_MARSH_GRAPHIC.html You cherry picked a low year (2004) and completely ignored that the distribution varies month by month. Even excluding suicides, we can expect 26 gun murders on a typical day using the MOST RECENT FBI data.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #19 June 29, 2010 Murders done with ILLEGAL guns, that No Law will get off the street! Hell, I am a good enough machinist to make a gun...it isn't rocket science! NO law will ever do away with guns! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #20 June 29, 2010 Quote Sometimes tragedies happen, and we should work to educate people to reduce those. But taking guns away from everyone, leaving them defenseless against criminals, would be an even greater tragedy. A homicide rate as low as France's, Germany's, Canada"s or the UK's would be a tragedy?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,107 #21 June 29, 2010 Quote Murders done with ILLEGAL guns, that No Law will get off the street! Hell, I am a good enough machinist to make a gun...it isn't rocket science! NO law will ever do away with guns! According to the US DoJ, some 300,000+ guns enter the illegal category from "law abiding citizens" each year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #22 June 30, 2010 Quote Quote Sometimes tragedies happen, and we should work to educate people to reduce those. But taking guns away from everyone, leaving them defenseless against criminals, would be an even greater tragedy. A homicide rate as low as France's, Germany's, Canada"s or the UK's would be a tragedy? You done a headcount in the UK lately? Or france? they may not be killing with Guns, btu they are killinmg, (most carried out by muslims) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #23 June 30, 2010 Quote Quote Sometimes tragedies happen, and we should work to educate people to reduce those. But taking guns away from everyone, leaving them defenseless against criminals, would be an even greater tragedy. A homicide rate as low as France's, Germany's, Canada"s or the UK's would be a tragedy? Populations... US Over 309 million France 65,447,374 UK 58,789,194 nice try though! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #24 June 30, 2010 1. Smart people can manipulate statistics to support just about any argument. 2. This thread seemed to be about anecdotal evidence. You cited to four anecdotes. 3. I didn't argue that we should take away anyone's guns. You can have all the guns you want as far as I'm concerned. Hell, put an anti-aircraft battery in your backyard for all I care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #25 June 30, 2010 Quote Quote However, to throw around anecdotal evidence of random incidents where people have successfully defended themselves with guns proves nothing. Sure it does. Each "anecdote" is a news story, backed-up with names and places, easily verifiable. Each one of those self-defense shooting incidents is one data point. And there are dozens or hundreds of them happening every day. Collectively, those data points become statistics. And what they show is that guns are quite often used in self defense in the hands of ordinary citizens. Professional studies have shown that such events happen as much as 2 million times per year. Simply anecdotes? Hardly. As for your other point, yes, guns can do either good or harm. So the question you should ask is, which occurs with greater frequency? Look up those anecdote-statistics, and you'll find that self-defense cases far outweigh incidents of children being shot in their own home by daddy's gun. And it's up to the parents to weigh the risks and rewards and decide if a gun is right for them, and what safeguards are necessary. I'm fully in favor of every law-abiding citizen having the right to make that choice for themselves. Sometimes tragedies happen, and we should work to educate people to reduce those. But taking guns away from everyone, leaving them defenseless against criminals, would be an even greater tragedy. Wow. I might not always agree with the pro gun (and I don't use that term in a negative way) has to say, but that post was very well said. Nicely done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
