dgskydive 0 #1 July 2, 2010 This will drift way off topic I am sure, but a simple question. Why do people try to ignore the fact that sneaking in the country is illegal? Why is it not an issue for some of you?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 July 2, 2010 QuoteThis will drift way off topic I am sure, but a simple question. Why do people try to ignore the fact that sneaking in the country is illegal? Why is it not an issue for some of you? It is illegal.. and most countries will toss your ass in jail for doing so. If they want to come do so legally...period.... no exceptions. Even with a security in depth border fence death zone... they will still find ways to come if there are financial incentives to do so. I say put the people who hire them in jail and take away THEIR stuff bought with the profits they have made from hiring illegals instead of citizens... make the risks outweigh the financial rewards being reaped by those who hire them. Make a viable guest worker program to fill the temp jobs needed in agriculture if that is needed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #3 July 2, 2010 I agree with you. It is just funny to me that when the argument comes up and people mention the simple fact that it is illegal. It gets ignored by people that want to let them stay.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 July 2, 2010 Votes plain and simple. The Dems in DC see these millions of illegals as a huge potential Dem voting block. BTW, I think the 11 million number is WAY low.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #5 July 2, 2010 QuoteI agree with you. It is just funny to me that when the argument comes up and people mention the simple fact that it is illegal. It gets ignored by people that want to let them stay. I am NOT one who wants them to stay. I think Americans should get the benefits of being citizens first and formost. The morons who think illegals are only taking jobs that lazy Americans will not do are WOEFULLY misinformed. BILLIONS of dollars abe being made by Americans who are knowingly hiring illegals... they are the ones who are creating the problem. Remove the financial incentive and the illegals will not come. Do not provide services to illegals and they will leave. I would only provide them with one service.. a free ride OUT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,461 #6 July 2, 2010 Yes, they are illegal. So is speeding, so is talking on the cell phone while driving in many states, so is driving under the influence, and so is hiring illegals. Not that they're not all wrong, but illegal stuff that doesn't target others doesn't tend to get a lot of attention. So we keep going after criminals who hurt others (and yes, I do think we should be checking on the status of anyone who enters the justice system), and hopefully on making it less attractive in systemic ways, rather than in stamping-out-every-last-illegal ways. Because we'll get a lot farther by making the job market unattractive or helping their country to be more attractive, than by trying to catch every one. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #7 July 2, 2010 I don't understand that thinking by politicians. Illegals are not going to vote... period! They will do anything to avoid being tracked-down and sent back home. To them, voting leaves a 'paper trail'. Besides, illegals don't give a crap about voting or our politics, they just want all they can get and not be found. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #8 July 2, 2010 QuoteNot that they're not all wrong, but illegal stuff that doesn't target others doesn't tend to get a lot of attention. That is always an argument, but they do target each and everyone of us. All those stolen SSN's. People get there credit ruined by stolen SSN's all the time. How bad would it be if you went to retire and the Govt wont pay out on your Social Security because some illegals grandmother is already cashing in on it. Or when your credit is ruined because and illegal used your SSN to buy a Flat Screen and a Truck that they couldnt afford. I say "you", but dont mean you Wendy.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #9 July 2, 2010 Quote I don't understand that thinking by politicians. Illegals are not going to vote... period! They will do anything to avoid being tracked-down and sent back home. To them, voting leaves a 'paper trail'. Besides, illegals don't give a crap about voting or our politics, they just want all they can get and not be found. Chuck I agree. But I also know that employers looking for cheap labor will hire these illegals whenever possible to do the work that we legal americans probably wouldn't think of doing. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #10 July 2, 2010 QuoteI don't understand that thinking by politicians. Illegals are not going to vote... period! I wouldnt say that. They do vote. Another illegal thing that they do. No right to vote if they arent a citizen. A lot of them do vote...using someone elses info to register. They vote for politicians that are going to make it easy for them to stay here.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 July 2, 2010 QuoteI don't understand that thinking by politicians. Illegals are not going to vote... period! They will do anything to avoid being tracked-down and sent back home. To them, voting leaves a 'paper trail'. Besides, illegals don't give a crap about voting or our politics, they just want all they can get and not be found. Chuck They'll be voting if we give them amnesty...Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #12 July 2, 2010 The sad part is, there are laws on the books covering just what you said... they just aren't 'strictly enforced'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 July 2, 2010 Quote The sad part is, there are laws on the books covering just what you said... they just aren't 'strictly enforced'. Chuck It only takes a will to do so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #14 July 2, 2010 Quote Quote I don't understand that thinking by politicians. Illegals are not going to vote... period! They will do anything to avoid being tracked-down and sent back home. To them, voting leaves a 'paper trail'. Besides, illegals don't give a crap about voting or our politics, they just want all they can get and not be found. Chuck I agree. But I also know that employers looking for cheap labor will hire these illegals whenever possible to do the work that we legal americans probably wouldn't think of doing. You bet! Thinking back, In my younger years, I DID some of those jobs that some folks won't do now. You know what the problem is? Those folks who won't do certain jobs, just haven't been hungry enough. I've stocked grocery shelves, swept floors in a truck garage, worked in warehouses, mucked stalls and some others. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #15 July 2, 2010 there will always be illegals - in every country, in every part of the world. It's all about how you manage it. Just another thing in the USA that has been completely gutted by lowering taxes to a point where law enforcement cannot do their job. Everyone wants it done - no one is willing to pay for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #16 July 2, 2010 Quote Quote The sad part is, there are laws on the books covering just what you said... they just aren't 'strictly enforced'. Chuck It only takes a will to do so. You're right! The problem is, the politicians with 'strong ties' to big business. After all, it's the politicians who have the control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #17 July 2, 2010 Hey, they're only doing what a lot of your ancestors did. A lot are doimg it to make a living.. they are not always taking jobs from locals but taking jobs that locals wont do... Legislate for that and give them a legal, taxable status. Bust the balls of the big people making shed loads of money out of the poor folk that have little or no choice. Make it the land of the free and not the land of the freeloader by all means but don't tar everyone with the same brush. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #18 July 2, 2010 QuoteVotes plain and simple. The Dems in DC see these millions of illegals as a huge potential Dem voting block. Is that why Reagan granted mass amnesty? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #19 July 2, 2010 Quotethere will always be illegals - in every country, in every part of the world. It's all about how you manage it. Just another thing in the USA that has been completely gutted by lowering taxes to a point where law enforcement cannot do their job. Everyone wants it done - no one is willing to pay for it. I don't agree 100%. I think it has more to do with the government providing so many entitlements that your average idiot doesn't feel compelled to break his back doing those jobs anymore.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #20 July 2, 2010 Quote A lot are doimg it to make a living.. they are not always taking jobs from locals but taking jobs that locals wont do... This is often repeated but I believe it is dead wrong. It is not that Americans won't take the job, they will if you pay them enough. The businesses can hire illegals a lot cheaper than they can hire American workers."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #21 July 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteVotes plain and simple. The Dems in DC see these millions of illegals as a huge potential Dem voting block. Is that why Reagan granted mass amnesty? I don't know why Reagan did what he did. It obviously didn't work very well.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #22 July 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't understand that thinking by politicians. Illegals are not going to vote... period! I wouldnt say that. They do vote. Another illegal thing that they do. No right to vote if they arent a citizen. A lot of them do vote...using someone elses info to register. They vote for politicians that are going to make it easy for them to stay here. I AM enlightened! Thank you. In so many words, politicians are hoping the illegals will illegally vote for them. To think, we actually vote for these jerks! I have refused in the past to vote for any politician who is 'soft' on illegals. I don't see where I'm going to change my thinking. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #23 July 2, 2010 QuoteQuoteI don't understand that thinking by politicians. Illegals are not going to vote... period! They will do anything to avoid being tracked-down and sent back home. To them, voting leaves a 'paper trail'. Besides, illegals don't give a crap about voting or our politics, they just want all they can get and not be found. Chuck They'll be voting if we give them amnesty... That's what they are hoping for. Wouldn't surprise me if, our sorry politicians will do it too. Just for their own personal gain. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #24 July 2, 2010 Just because someone on the internet says it happens, doesn't mean that it does. I would love to see statistics about illegal alien voting. I predict none will be forthcoming. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymiles 3 #25 July 2, 2010 QuoteVotes plain and simple. The Dems in DC see these millions of illegals as a huge potential Dem voting block. BTW, I think the 11 million number is WAY low. and the Repubs want the cheap labor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
