Arab guilty of rape after consensual sex with Jew

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Someone should slap that slut...

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While he may be a lying SOB, this shouldn't be criminal.

I thought that lying about being Jewish was itself criminal in Israel--regardless of whether the reasons for telling such a lie have anything to do with sex or not.

Although I might not fully agree with such a law, I do understand why Israel, given its history as a nation, might find it necessary to have such a law on the books.

And I would think that any time you commit another crime to obtain sex, that surely must be considered rape. So the legal reasoning here does make some sense actually. It's not so much that he lied to obtain sex--it's that he committed a crime under Israeli law to obtain sex.

would a jewish guy be prosecuted if he lied to an arab woman to get her into bed?

nope, he'd get rocks thrown at him until he was dead. of course, only if the arabs could get a hold enough rocks tough..

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the judge also got upset.

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While he may be a lying SOB, this shouldn't be criminal.

I thought that lying about being Jewish was itself criminal in Israel--regardless of whether the reasons for telling such a lie have anything to do with sex or not.

Although I might not fully agree with such a law, I do understand why Israel, given its history as a nation, might find it necessary to have such a law on the books.

And I would think that any time you commit another crime to obtain sex, that surely must be considered rape. So the legal reasoning here does make some sense actually. It's not so much that he lied to obtain sex--it's that he committed a crime under Israeli law to obtain sex.

would a jewish guy be prosecuted if he lied to an arab woman to get her into bed?

nope, he'd get rocks thrown at him until he was dead. of course, only if the arabs could get a hold enough rocks tough..

so you're saying all arabs are bloodthirsty animals.

(but not the jews)

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Unless I specifically told you I wasn't so we could be friends in the first place. By that I lied to you in the first place, which would piss you off.

Again I would not like being lied too. Agreed there.
But I am not sure I would want to be friends with anyone whose criteria for friendship has to do with religion, or race.

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and you know what, a woman can be racist when she decides who to sleep with and who not to. its her right.
it doesn't make it rape if she fails to make the distinction in advance.

Yep and a woman/Man who overrides all other factors of attraction with the persons race, or religion is a racist.
She had already decided to fuck the guy right. There is no mention of force or threats. She decided hey I want to fuck him, and the only reason she changed her mind and now calls it rape is that he is not Jewish.

Again this is the very definition or racism. I don’t even know why you’re arguing with me on this.

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it is fucked up to lie to someone just to get them to sleep with you though

Yep agreed.

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Would it still be "rape by deception" if the guy had lied about his income or occupation?

Of course it is not moral to lie to somebody to get them to sleep with you but if the ONLY lie that is prosecutable is about ethnicity, that takes you down some truly frigtening logic about race, ethnic purity, etc.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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While he may be a lying SOB, this shouldn't be criminal.

I thought that lying about being Jewish was itself criminal in Israel--regardless of whether the reasons for telling such a lie have anything to do with sex or not.

Although I might not fully agree with such a law, I do understand why Israel, given its history as a nation, might find it necessary to have such a law on the books.

And I would think that any time you commit another crime to obtain sex, that surely must be considered rape. So the legal reasoning here does make some sense actually. It's not so much that he lied to obtain sex--it's that he committed a crime under Israeli law to obtain sex.

would a jewish guy be prosecuted if he lied to an arab woman to get her into bed?

nope, he'd get rocks thrown at him until he was dead. of course, only if the arabs could get a hold enough rocks tough..

so you're saying all arabs are bloodthirsty animals.

(but not the jews)

That’s kind of the premise of all there arguments. They start from that view point and then move from there.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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But I am not sure I would want to be friends with anyone whose criteria for friendship has to do with religion, or race.

agreed, in a perfect world.
Also, having sex with, is a little more intimate than being friends with, so I can see why (especially for women) it will mean more.

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She decided hey I want to fuck him, and the only reason she changed her mind and now calls it rape is that he is not Jewish.

Again this is the very definition or racism. I don’t even know why you’re arguing with me on this.

...or she got pissed for being lied to and dumped and wanted revenge. you don't know the whole story.

but again, even if she is racist and only wants to sleep with Jews, who are you to tell her not to?
its her body and a very intimate activity.
my problem with your statements is that you infer that Israelis are racists.

again, she can chose who to sleep with and she can be as racist as she wants about it as it is her body.
she cannot cry rape after it and taking this to court is messed up.
and if you had read the talk backs on Israeli news sites you would have seen that most say the same. this is not a matter for criminal court.
still, this guy is an asshole, especially if he knew its important to her.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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That’s kind of the premise of all there arguments. They start from that view point and then move from there

which is different from your conclusion that all Israelis are racist because a girl got pissed at a guy who lied to her and a stupid judge who made a dumb ruling that this is rape by deception?

Darius, you do these generalizations all the time...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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...or she got pissed for being lied to and dumped and wanted revenge. you don't know the whole story.

Yep true, still does not make the dude guilty of rape. A person being pissed is not enough reason.

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but again, even if she is racist and only wants to sleep with Jews, who are you to tell her not to?
its her body and a very intimate activity.

True she can do what she wants but when you have the state the judge and your law system support it thats my issuie.

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my problem with your statements is that you infer that Israelis are racists.

I think making any statement that says all people of "blah are blah" is stupid.
However when you have a judge send a guy to jail for no other crime then laying about being Jewish to get laid. Then it becomes the countries policy and sure looks racists.

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again, she can chose who to sleep with and she can be as racist as she wants about it as it is her body.
she cannot cry rape after it and taking this to court is messed up.
and if you had read the talk backs on Israeli news sites you would have seen that most say the same. this is not a matter for criminal court.
still, this guy is an asshole, especially if he knew its important to her.

agreed with every thing in the above quote, and no i have not seen all the talkbacks.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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While he may be a lying SOB, this shouldn't be criminal.

I thought that lying about being Jewish was itself criminal in Israel--regardless of whether the reasons for telling such a lie have anything to do with sex or not.

Although I might not fully agree with such a law, I do understand why Israel, given its history as a nation, might find it necessary to have such a law on the books.

And I would think that any time you commit another crime to obtain sex, that surely must be considered rape. So the legal reasoning here does make some sense actually. It's not so much that he lied to obtain sex--it's that he committed a crime under Israeli law to obtain sex.

would a jewish guy be prosecuted if he lied to an arab woman to get her into bed?

nope, he'd get rocks thrown at him until he was dead. of course, only if the arabs could get a hold enough rocks tough..

so you're saying all arabs are bloodthirsty animals.

(but not the jews)

nope, actually what i'm saying is that the arabs probably dont have enough rocks to do so, since israel pretty much controls what gets there and what not; u know, fancy stuff like water, food and medical shit!

rocks are weapons of mass destruction, sure the arabs shouldnt have them..

but nice try!

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which is different from your conclusion that all Israelis are racist because a girl got pissed at a guy who lied to her and a stupid judge who made a dumb ruling that this is rape by deception?

That’s the Issue right there you add things that I did not say to make me seem irrational.
I did not say all Israelis are racists.
I did say in the past and will gladly give example after example of racist policies the Israeli government upholds. That doesn’t mean all Israelis are racists, but the pollicies the government enforces that’s a whole other issue.

I also understand the motivation behind some of the laws when it concerns safety. however understanding the reason for something doesn’t make it not be what it is.
Jews only roads I understand its for safety (as you had stated) but that doesn’t make it any less racists to me.

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Darius, you do these generalizations all the time...

I make a point not too, and alwasy try my hardest to use the right words not to group up people.

If i have generalized i was wrong. generalizing mass groups of people is stupid.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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I did not say all Israelis are racists.

should I search for all of the times you said Israelis see themselves as the chosen people and don't respect anyone that is not Jewish?

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I also understand the motivation behind some of the laws when it concerns safety. however understanding the reason for something doesn’t make it not be what it is.

agreed. some times the ideal is not possible.

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Jews only roads I understand its for safety (as you had stated) but that doesn’t make it any less racists to me.

and again, racism has nothing to do with it. there are more roads and areas that I can't go into BECAUSE i am Israeli.

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

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introduced himself as a Jewish bachelor seeking a serious relationship. The two then had consensual sex in a nearby building before Kashur left.

The guy's a dick but that's not a criminal offense, nor should be.

I've heard of impersonating an officer being a crime. But impersonating a jew? Oy vey.

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I've heard of impersonating an officer being a crime. But impersonating a jew? Oy vey.

they shoulda just circumcised him...that would teach him...so you wanna be a Jew eh?

...but wait, maybe he already was cut...if not, that shoulda been the tip off right there!

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I don't think it's a f**'kd up ruling.
There is a significant difference between the religious laws and separatism in Israeli/Arab relations that the US doesn't have the foggiest clue about.
What if she became pregnant? Both of their religious cultures prohibit them from sleeping with each other let alone making a child.
FWIW, a rabbi hailing from Jerusalem says that it is indeed illegal to lie about your background for purposes of sex or a business transaction in Israel. But he's from Chabad Lubavitch, so some Jews won't accept him as having any intelligence.

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Both of their religious cultures prohibit them from sleeping with each other let alone making a child.

So it's up to their government to make laws to enforce that? Religious culture (beyond basic morality) is a horrible basis for a government.

Thankfully we have far more separation of church and state here.

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Asked whether his client was the victim of racial discrimination, Mr Aladdin said he "would rather not comment". Others, however, were scathing.

Gideon Levy, a leading liberal commentator, said: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman. Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not."

Israeli human rights activists said that Kashur's actions reflected the deceits many Palestinians practise when in Israel in an attempt to avoid official and private prejudice because of their background.

"It is very well known that Israeli-Palestinians living in Israel disguise themselves," said Leah Tsemel, a human-rights lawyer. "You change your accent and you change your dress because if you look like an Arab you face harassment.

"If you want to enter a pub, you'd better not look like an Arab and if you want to have sex with an Israeli girl, you had better not look like an Arab."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7901025/Palestinian-jailed-for-rape-after-claiming-to-be-Jewish.html

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Asked whether his client was the victim of racial discrimination, Mr Aladdin said he "would rather not comment". Others, however, were scathing.

Gideon Levy, a leading liberal commentator, said: "I would like to raise only one question with the judge. What if this guy had been a Jew who pretended to be a Muslim and had sex with a Muslim woman. Would he have been convicted of rape? The answer is: of course not."

Israeli human rights activists said that Kashur's actions reflected the deceits many Palestinians practise when in Israel in an attempt to avoid official and private prejudice because of their background.

"It is very well known that Israeli-Palestinians living in Israel disguise themselves," said Leah Tsemel, a human-rights lawyer. "You change your accent and you change your dress because if you look like an Arab you face harassment.

"If you want to enter a pub, you'd better not look like an Arab and if you want to have sex with an Israeli girl, you had better not look like an Arab."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/7901025/Palestinian-jailed-for-rape-after-claiming-to-be-Jewish.html

And if you're Arab, you'd better not fall in love with the wrong man:

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The father and uncle of honour killing victim Banaz Mahmod were jailed for life today for her murder.
Mahmod Mahmod, 54, was told he will have to serve a minimumn of 20 years while his brother Ari, 51, will have to serve at least 23 years.
Horrific details were revealed yesterday of the last hours of the young Kurdish woman murdered by her family for falling in love with the wrong man.

Banaz Mahmod, 20, was brutally raped and stamped on during a two-hour ordeal before being garotted.

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So it's up to their government to make laws to enforce that? Religious culture (beyond basic morality) is a horrible basis for a government.

Which is probably why we'll never known peace in the Middle East?

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So it's up to their government to make laws to enforce that? Religious culture (beyond basic morality) is a horrible basis for a government.

Which is probably why we'll never known peace in the Middle East?

Until religion is out of their governments...

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So it's up to their government to make laws to enforce that? Religious culture (beyond basic morality) is a horrible basis for a government.

Which is probably why we'll never known peace in the Middle East?

Until religion is out of their governments...

Which will never happen, ergo;
"Which is why we'll never know peace in the Middle East."

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To be fair, they were prosecuted and convicted -- so obviously it's seen as wrong by many.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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To be fair, they were prosecuted and convicted -- so obviously it's seen as wrong by many.

Wendy P.

A correction - it's seen as wrong outside of the Muslim community.

Mike
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So it's up to their government to make laws to enforce that? Religious culture (beyond basic morality) is a horrible basis for a government.

Which is probably why we'll never known peace in the Middle East?

Until religion is out of their governments...

Which will never happen, ergo;
"Which is why we'll never know peace in the Middle East."

It will happen eventually. It's pretty peaceful after an armageddon.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.