timmyfitz 0 #26 August 1, 2010 QuoteQuestion: Had that been anyone other than an LEO's son, what's the odds that he would have been arrested and charged with any number of offenses dealing with shootings? The odds would be very low, no matter whose son it is. From the information so far, it was justified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #27 August 1, 2010 QuoteQuestion: Had that been anyone other than an LEO's son, what's the odds that he would have been arrested and charged with any number of offenses dealing with shootings? And....what's the odds that the perp will file a civil suit?Being that this is TX, there has to be a grand jury hearing for any shooting. So it's likely that the young man was at least taken in and processed. (I'm not sure how that all works in the case of a shooting) That would have happened with any person. LEO's son or not. Also, in TX, the perp can't file suit for injuries that happened to him while he was in the process of a criminal act. (or something to that effect)-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #28 August 1, 2010 Quote In the future, the kid would be advised to stick to a 12 gauge with bird shot to minimize the potential for collateral damage. hogwash. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm That advice is usually given by those with little practical firearms experience. Birdshot makes a poor defense round. Quote A 125gr FMJ at 2,300fps has enough overpenetration to dispatch a family member, pet or neighbor after stopping an attacker, and using lethal force so as to endanger innocents is unacceptable. true that an AR round tends to punch holes. Though it's designed to tumble on impact, hole punching can happen. And, the shooter is responsible for ALL damage caused by the rounds leaving the barrel, not just the first target they hit.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #29 August 1, 2010 QuoteQuestion: Had that been anyone other than an LEO's son, what's the odds that he would have been arrested and charged with any number of offenses dealing with shootings? And....what's the odds that the perp will file a civil suit? Being the son of a Cop, has it's perks! I don;t believe Texas allows such lawsuits! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #30 August 1, 2010 QuoteQuote In the future, the kid would be advised to stick to a 12 gauge with bird shot to minimize the potential for collateral damage. hogwash. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm That advice is usually given by those with little practical firearms experience. Birdshot makes a poor defense round. Quote A 125gr FMJ at 2,300fps has enough overpenetration to dispatch a family member, pet or neighbor after stopping an attacker, and using lethal force so as to endanger innocents is unacceptable. true that an AR round tends to punch holes. Though it's designed to tumble on impact, hole punching can happen. And, the shooter is responsible for ALL damage caused by the rounds leaving the barrel, not just the first target they hit. I am more than aware of the terminal ballistics of the rounds I describe - and not from either published sources or anecdotes. I have personally loaded and/or fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition, from BBs to 106mm, and have seen results in the ballistic lab, the range and in the field. Admittedly there's more to know, but I do have a fair idea whereof I speak. Evan Marshall made reference to someone who took 6 solid hits with a .44RM and lived to stand trial. That does not make it a wise decision to challenge a Model 29 in competent hands. A 12 gauge 2 3/4" max load of copper plated birdshot to the sternum from across the room has a very high likelihood of achieving a very effective stop. The effective energy of its shot column, which does not have much chance to dissipate across a typical residential room, is twice that of the .44RM. Once through one layer of drywall, the dispersion pattern is very dramatic, and the retained energy of any particular pellet is low enough that the likelihood of traumatic injury or death is nonzero but quite low. There is a massive difference between a "defense round" and a round for defense in a highly populated residential environment. BTW, the whole myth of the 5.56x45 being "designed to tumble on impact" is unadulterated drivel. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msandt 0 #31 August 2, 2010 Bullet design also play a big role(as Im sure you already know). Most people like to buy the bulk 55gr FMJ/Ball ammo or 62gr M855 steel core penetrator because thats what the standard military issue is, when actaully this is a horrible choice for home defense in a populated environment. There are more suited bullet designs for this purpose. +1 on the 12 ga. birdshot. Within the confines of most any residence, this will provide everything you need with minimal collateral damage possibilites. Good post Winsor. Odds are, this will be a cut and dry case of self defense. In Texas, it's pretty easy to justify if you are in your home and there is unlawful entry. They even did away with the need to attempt to evade the burglar before using lethal force a few years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 August 2, 2010 Quote... They even did away with the need to attempt to evade the burglar before using lethal force a few years ago. That is good news.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
