rushmc 23 #151 August 21, 2010 Here, pick one YOU like http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=poll+new+york+mosque&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=poll+new+york+mosque&gs_rfai=C1HVGMdVvTK6SAozmNPOmheYPAAAAqgQFT9Crb6Q&fp=7db4f7af4a13aa89"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,556 #152 August 21, 2010 QuoteNice on line poll How about this one http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ground_zero_mosque_poll Yeah, that is a good one: "Nearly two-thirds of voters, 64 percent, say the developers have a constitutional right to build the mosque. Twenty-eight percent say they do not." Looks like most people understand the concept of freedom of religion, even if they don't like what the Cordoba Initiative is doing. You could learn something from them.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #153 August 21, 2010 Quote Quote Nice on line poll How about this one http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ground_zero_mosque_poll Yeah, that is a good one: "Nearly two-thirds of voters, 64 percent, say the developers have a constitutional right to build the mosque. Twenty-eight percent say they do not." Looks like most people understand the concept of freedom of religion, even if they don't like what the Cordoba Initiative is doing. You could learn something from them. I never said they didn't have the right now did I You leftys get too emotional when someone doesn't agree with you. Stops your thinking some how and makes you dream up shit"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #154 August 21, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo in other words it doesn't matter what they say or do, you're against them. Why is that? I'm saying that trust is earned and they are not doing anything to earn that trust. The only way that the fundamentalists are going to be stamped out is from the inside of the Muslim religion and I see NOTHING that shows me that is happening. They are pushing so hard for their right to build and DO NOT CARE that it is insensitive and strikes a very real nerve with a very large portion of both the right and left. They want tolerance, but they have no understanding or concern for the way people feel about it. They can build a Mosque anywhere else and nobody would be raising a stink about it. That is evident by the 100's of Mosques already in NYC that nobody messes with. What are you doing to "stamp out" the Westboro Baptist Church? Nothing? Why not? You say it is the responsibility of the mainstream part of a religion to "stamp out" the fringe elements, yet you and your kind do nothing about the WBC? RWC hypocracy stinks up SC again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverup13k 0 #155 August 22, 2010 If you look at history the Muslims build mosqes where they conquered there enimies. (I am agnostic so religion is a none issue for me) Just one example is the fact that they built there huge mosque right on top of Solomens Temple in Jerueselem. Just somthing to think about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #156 August 22, 2010 In some places Mosques have been built on conquered ground just as Chistians have done with Churchs. However the vast majority are not built on conquered ground. Such as the thousands across the USA and UK. The arugment about this being a 'victory' Mosque is simply nonsense and is simply a term whipped up by right wing neo facists to incite religious hatered.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #157 August 22, 2010 The stats in that article were kinda funny... Quote63 percent{1} of New York voters surveyed oppose the project, with 27 percent{2} supporting it Nearly two-thirds of voters, 64 percent, say the developers have a constitutional right to build the mosque. Twenty-eight percent{3} say they do not. Among those who oppose building the mosque, about half agree that developers have the constitutional right to build it. Twenty-eight percent{4} of mosque opponents say they do not have that right. (0.28{3} - 0.63{1} * 0.28{4}) / 0.27{2} = 0.38 So... 38% of the people who support the mosque do so in spite of believing they don't have a right to build it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,099 #158 August 23, 2010 QuoteThe stats in that article were kinda funny... Quote63 percent{1} of New York voters surveyed oppose the project, with 27 percent{2} supporting it Nearly two-thirds of voters, 64 percent, say the developers have a constitutional right to build the mosque. Twenty-eight percent{3} say they do not. Among those who oppose building the mosque, about half agree that developers have the constitutional right to build it. Twenty-eight percent{4} of mosque opponents say they do not have that right. (0.28{3} - 0.63{1} * 0.28{4}) / 0.27{2} = 0.38 So... 38% of the people who support the mosque do so in spite of believing they don't have a right to build it? Inconsistent. It's difficult to design a good, fair poll that truly measures what you want it to. Maybe Mr. Rich designed that one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #159 August 23, 2010 QuoteInconsistent. It's difficult to design a good, fair poll that truly measures what you want it to. Maybe Mr. Rich designed that one. What probably happened is whoever wrote the article got statement {4} wrong. If you ignore that, a third think they don't have the right and shouldn't build it. A third think they do have the right, but shouldn't build it anyway. The final third think they have the right and should build it. The "do they have the right" question is an interesting one to put on a poll. I didn't know that was up for debate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverup13k 0 #160 August 23, 2010 You are absolutley right there are mosques in other places. I personally don't care if they put a mosque in the white house or the pentagon. My only thing is for a peaceful religion they sure are stirring up alot of %#$&. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #161 August 23, 2010 >My only thing is for a peaceful religion they sure are stirring up alot of %#$&. In this case it's the Muslim haters who are stirring up the shit. All they want to do is build a religious center. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #162 August 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteSo in other words it doesn't matter what they say or do, you're against them. Why is that? I'm saying that trust is earned and they are not doing anything to earn that trust. The only way that the fundamentalists are going to be stamped out is from the inside of the Muslim religion and I see NOTHING that shows me that is happening. They are pushing so hard for their right to build and DO NOT CARE that it is insensitive and strikes a very real nerve with a very large portion of both the right and left. They want tolerance, but they have no understanding or concern for the way people feel about it. They can build a Mosque anywhere else and nobody would be raising a stink about it. That is evident by the 100's of Mosques already in NYC that nobody messes with. What are you doing to "stamp out" the Westboro Baptist Church? Nothing? Why not? You say it is the responsibility of the mainstream part of a religion to "stamp out" the fringe elements, yet you and your kind do nothing about the WBC? RWC hypocracy stinks up SC again. Funny how quick the RWCs disappear when they are called to account for their statements. Come on, Dominic, what have you done to "stamp out" the Westboro Baptist Church? According to you, the only way that the fundamentalists are going to be stamped out is from the inside of the religion. When do you plan to start "stamping out" the WBC? The RWC talking point sounds real good, right up until you actually think a bit. Then the reality that the talking point is really stupid sets in. Next time, think throught the entire issue before parroting RWC talking points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #163 August 24, 2010 Congratulations to the right wingers! They are once again hurting the cause of peace and playing into the hands of Al Qaeda. And heck, if there's another terrorist attack as a result, it would make their day; they'd have another reason to blame Obama for something. ============== Rancor Over Mosque Could Fuel Islamic Extremists by Dina Temple-Raston August 24, 2010 Experts worry the controversy surrounding an Islamic center near ground zero in Lower Manhattan is playing right into the hands of radical extremists. The supercharged debate over the proposed center has attracted the attention of a quiet, underground audience — young Muslims who drift in and out of jihadi chat rooms and frequent radical Islamic sites on the Web. It has become the No. 1 topic of discussion in recent days and proof positive, according to some of the posted messages, that America is indeed at war with Islam. "This, unfortunately, is playing right into their hands," said Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks these kinds of websites and chat rooms for Flashpoint Global partners, a New York-based security firm. "Extremists are encouraging all this, with glee. "It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn't be happier." ============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #164 August 24, 2010 Quote Congratulations to the right wingers! They are once again hurting the cause of peace and playing into the hands of Al Qaeda. And heck, if there's another terrorist attack as a result, it would make their day; they'd have another reason to blame Obama for something. ============== Rancor Over Mosque Could Fuel Islamic Extremists by Dina Temple-Raston August 24, 2010 Experts worry the controversy surrounding an Islamic center near ground zero in Lower Manhattan is playing right into the hands of radical extremists. The supercharged debate over the proposed center has attracted the attention of a quiet, underground audience — young Muslims who drift in and out of jihadi chat rooms and frequent radical Islamic sites on the Web. It has become the No. 1 topic of discussion in recent days and proof positive, according to some of the posted messages, that America is indeed at war with Islam. "This, unfortunately, is playing right into their hands," said Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks these kinds of websites and chat rooms for Flashpoint Global partners, a New York-based security firm. "Extremists are encouraging all this, with glee. "It is their sense that by doing this that Americans are going to alienate American Muslims to the point where even relatively moderate Muslims are going to be pushed into joining extremist movements like al-Qaida. They couldn't be happier." ============== So let me get this right. It's not okay to not want a mosque near where muslims blew up a couple thousand people, and a couple of billion in damages, but BY GOD, if you don't side with them, they'll blow up some more! Yeah - Whooo hoo! Good Idea! And you defend that!Nice.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #165 August 24, 2010 >It's not okay to not want a mosque near where muslims blew up a couple > thousand people, and a couple of billion in damages . . . You can want or not want whatever you like. When you try to impose your religious likes and dislikes on other religions - then it's not OK. >but BY GOD, if you don't side with them, they'll blow up some more! Well, apparently right wingers hope to encourage that. Let's hope they do not get their way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #166 August 24, 2010 Quote>It's not okay to not want a mosque near where muslims blew up a couple > thousand people, and a couple of billion in damages . . . You can want or not want whatever you like. When you try to impose your religious likes and dislikes on other religions - then it's not OK. >but BY GOD, if you don't side with them, they'll blow up some more! Well, apparently right wingers hope to encourage that. Let's hope they do not get their way. Here's a thought . . . How about - DISCOURAGE it altogether.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 843 #167 August 24, 2010 If it were possible for someone to come up with any sort of logical or legal cause, then it might make sense. But that doesn't seem possible nor plausible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #168 August 24, 2010 >How about - DISCOURAGE it altogether. Excellent idea! Now if we can just get the mosque protesters to stop encouraging it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #169 August 24, 2010 Quote>How about - DISCOURAGE it altogether. Excellent idea! Now if we can just get the mosque protesters to stop encouraging it. You really believe that they are encouraging a bombing? THAT is progressive logic. Non Muslim: I disagree with you. Radical Muslim: I'll blow you up! Progressive: WHAT? Noooooo - Just don't disagree with them - everyone will be happy then!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #170 August 24, 2010 >You really believe that they are encouraging a bombing? Not directly - but they are indeed enabling Al Qaeda to meet their goals. This mosque protest is the best thing that's happened for them since Abu Ghraib. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #171 August 24, 2010 QuoteYou can want or not want whatever you like. When you try to impose your religious likes and dislikes on other religions - then it's not OK. Hmmmm, kinda sounds like what they do. Actually they cut off yer head. The Quran says so. Quote>but BY GOD, if you don't side with them, they'll blow up some more! Well, apparently right wingers hope to encourage that. Let's hope they do not get their way. yeah, it is all the right wingers fault. Because they are the ones that blew up the WTC and the Pentagon.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #172 August 24, 2010 QuoteQuoteYou can want or not want whatever you like. When you try to impose your religious likes and dislikes on other religions - then it's not OK. Hmmmm, kinda sounds like what they do. Actually they cut off yer head. The Quran says so. Quote>but BY GOD, if you don't side with them, they'll blow up some more! Well, apparently right wingers hope to encourage that. Let's hope they do not get their way. yeah, it is all the right wingers fault. Because they are the ones that blew up the WTC and the Pentagon. No.. but they were really hard up for an ENEMY.. with the fall of the commies all over the place.... their whole thing was gettin pretty flacid. Nothing like a nice little war to support to get ther manhood back... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,058 #173 August 24, 2010 >Hmmmm, kinda sounds like what they do. Actually they cut off yer head. > The Quran says so. And the Bible says to bash your babies brains out against rocks. ("A blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock!") Something tells me you're OK with churches near playgrounds though, since the christians here don't do that. Just like the muslims here don't cut people's heads off. >yeah, it is all the right wingers fault. I can see your point. It sure is stupid to blame an entire group for what some idiots do, huh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #174 August 24, 2010 Are there any christian churches in the vicinity of the Alfred P. Murrah site? Same same. Easter bunny or tooth fairy makes no difference to me. This country was founded on the premise that people should be free to worship either, neither, or both. The events of 9/11/01 were an attack on that basic premise, and to abandon it now would constitute surrender of the most disappointing kind. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #175 August 24, 2010 Quote>Hmmmm, kinda sounds like what they do. Actually they cut off yer head. > The Quran says so. And the Bible says to bash your babies brains out against rocks. ("A blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and shatters them against a rock!") Something tells me you're OK with churches near playgrounds though, since the christians here don't do that. No Bill. I think that all religion is just about money and power. They are all corrupt. Well maybe not the Buddhist. QuoteJust like the muslims here don't cut people's heads off. That is not true Bill they do.....http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/buffalo.beheading/index.html The funny but sad part about this story is that they guy started the TV station to Counter Muslim Stereotypes. Quote>yeah, it is all the right wingers fault. I can see your point. It sure is stupid to blame an entire group for what some idiots do, huh. Your right about that. I wont disagree, but sometimes you feel the way you feel.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
