Mosque Ground Zero

[normiss 806]

Your comprehension missed a key word.

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Due to the secrecy of these executions, accurate statistics are hard to come by. Reports suggest that there have been at least 1,000 women stoned to death, primarily for marital or sexual violations, in Iran, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Iraq, United Arab Emirates, Afghanistan, and Pakistan during the past 15 years. The United Nations estimates that some 5,000 women each year, including some in the U.S., become victims of so-called "honor killings" in which family members kill a woman who has allegedly brought dishonor on them through such acts as dressing provocatively or engaging in illicit sex.

As this discussion is focused on the ability of Muslims to practice within the US, I don't think these external cases are applicable. If you search the world over, you'll find badly behaving Christians too.

That said, the local evidence still shows an issue with this, and the tendency of the community to rally around those who commit it indicate that this cultural blight is still present in the US. But allowing a mosque to exist is not the same as allowing Muslims to kill their women. The first is a protected right, the second is a crime.

I agree, but when this started - I was replying to this from Amazon . . .

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AS I said... the conservative right wing was in need of a boogey man to demonize....

And wanted to show what was being demonized, so the triviality could be shown.

Also relevant was Billvon's absurd claim that there is no acceptance of the above described "Honor Killings" by Muslims. My evidence shows otherwise. He denies that it is a common event compared to like killing from any other religion. Again, my evidence shows otherwise.

Then Normiss chimed in and implied that only Sharian law believers are extremists . . . So I ask again, how many extremists does it take to no longer think of them as extremists? 50% - 75% - 95%?

So how many?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 806]

I never implies any such thing.

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Your comprehension missed a key word.

I assume you are meaning "interpretation"

and I stand by what what I wrote. How many are you talking about? What is the majority?

Or is it only in this country that you meant majority? Is there something magical about our borders that wipe that interpretation away?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Nice to omit the Christian history of stoning people to death. Good think Jesus put an end to that I suppose.

Well good thing you didn't bring up cave man marriage rituals either - but who needs relevance.

I am talking about present day . .

Did you miss the part where 5000 women are killed each year for "Honor"? STILL!

Hmm got any numbers for the US where women are killed by abusive men in abusive relationships because he was brought up to smack her around a little.. to keep her in line????

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So let's go with the facts. In the Catholic Church alone, 4300 priests had allegations of child sexual abuse made towards them. That's 4% of all Catholic priests in the US.

Of them, 1900 had hard evidence produced (semen stains etc) and 1000 did not. The rest died before any investigation could be made.

Those are just the ones that got caught in my opinion. For every one that gets caught how many have not been? Nothing takes 5 minutes and its never just the ones that are caught.

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So those are the numbers for one Christian religion. What are the numbers for one Muslim religion? (say, Shi'a)

I don't know numbers and I don't think anyone would be able to get numbers that are even close to accurate. Hell, there aren't even any gays in Iran, let alone pedophiles.

But, have you ever heard of Bacha Bazi?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys

Dom

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>Those are just the ones that got caught in my opinion. For every one
>that gets caught how many have not been?

Probably a lot.

>I don't know numbers and I don't think anyone would be able to
>get numbers that are even close to accurate.

Well, we have pretty accurate numbers for Christians; it is, at the very least, thousands. You have used one example of a beheading as a reason to not build a mosque two and a half blocks from the WTC site. If that's valid, surely it is at least a thousand times more valid to ban Christian churches near playgrounds and schools.

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>Those are just the ones that got caught in my opinion. For every one
>that gets caught how many have not been?

Probably a lot.

>I don't know numbers and I don't think anyone would be able to
>get numbers that are even close to accurate.

Well, we have pretty accurate numbers for Christians; it is, at the very least, thousands. You have used one example of a beheading as a reason to not build a mosque two and a half blocks from the WTC site. If that's valid, surely it is at least a thousand times more valid to ban Christian churches near playgrounds and schools.

WHAT is at the very least thousands?
beheadings or stonings?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 3,009]

>WHAT is at the very least thousands?

Priests molesting children.

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>WHAT is at the very least thousands?

Priests molesting children.

Now that is probably a little light on the figures . . .

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[funjumper101 15]

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Muslims cannot ever have freedom of religion in this country, unless they change their religios laws.

This statement right here is the crux of the matter.

Can you point out what part of the First Amendment and the US Constitution makes an allowance for the approval of religious laws?

I can go find lots of interesting things in the Bible regarding killing people for not observing the Sabbath, eating fish on Fridays, and other charming rules that seem to be widely ignored. They are codified in the Bible as religious laws, therefor they must apply to every single human that identifies as Christian, by your reasoning.

By your reasoning, anyone who uses the Bible for guidance cannot be allowed to practice their religion.

The fact is that many parts of the Bible are widely ignored. There are laws that allow for punishment of those who actually do follow the harsher parts of the Bible. The same is true those that follow the harsher parts of the Koran.

Funny how easy it was to totally debunk your reasoning.

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Well, we have pretty accurate numbers for Christians; it is, at the very least, thousands. You have used one example of a beheading as a reason to not build a mosque two and a half blocks from the WTC site. If that's valid, surely it is at least a thousand times more valid to ban Christian churches near playgrounds and schools.

Ill agree with that. Children seem to not be safe around Catholic Priests.

What are your thoughts on the Bacha Bazi thing? Did you look at the video? I actually caught the show by chance on PBS about a month ago.

Dom

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Muslims cannot ever have freedom of religion in this country, unless they change their religios laws.

This statement right here is the crux of the matter.

Can you point out what part of the First Amendment and the US Constitution makes an allowance for the approval of religious laws?

I can go find lots of interesting things in the Bible regarding killing people for not observing the Sabbath, eating fish on Fridays, and other charming rules that seem to be widely ignored. They are codified in the Bible as religious laws, therefor they must apply to every single human that identifies as Christian, by your reasoning.

By your reasoning, anyone who uses the Bible for guidance cannot be allowed to practice their religion.

The fact is that many parts of the Bible are widely ignored. There are laws that allow for punishment of those who actually do follow the harsher parts of the Bible. The same is true those that follow the harsher parts of the Koran.

Funny how easy it was to totally debunk your reasoning.

OH OH... you are so in trouble now


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Muslims cannot ever have freedom of religion in this country, unless they change their religios laws.






This statement right here is the crux of the matter.


Can you point out what part of the First Amendment and the US Constitution makes an allowance for the approval of religious laws?


I can go find lots of interesting things in the Bible regarding killing people for not observing the Sabbath, eating fish on Fridays, and other charming rules that seem to be widely ignored.  They are codified in the Bible as religious laws, therefor they must apply to every single human that identifies as Christian, by your reasoning.


By your reasoning, anyone who uses the Bible for guidance cannot be allowed to practice their religion.


The fact is that many parts of the Bible are widely ignored. There are laws that allow for punishment of those who actually do follow the harsher parts of the Bible. The same is true those that follow the harsher parts of the Koran.


Funny how easy it was to totally debunk your reasoning.




OH OH... you are so in trouble now



NO VIRGINS FOR YOU


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 Damn it, I've missed out on popping a cherry for my whole life, and now you've told me it ain't gonna happen in the afterlife. Gee, thanks for ruining my dream   [;)

[Coreece 190]

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I can go find lots of interesting things in the Bible regarding killing people for not observing the Sabbath, eating fish on Fridays, and other charming rules that seem to be widely ignored. They are codified in the Bible as religious laws, therefor they must apply to every single human that identifies as Christian, by your reasoning, anyone who uses the Bible for guidance cannot be allowed to practice their religion.

Well we do have the freedom to study it, so ignorance really isn't an excuse...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Skyrad 0]

Great news, the Mosques may be eligable for Tax free help.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE67Q5BW20100828

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