dgskydive 0 #126 August 20, 2010 cuomo has said that he will not investigate the funds, even though there is a good possibility that they will take funds from Iran. I just don't understand that at all.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 845 #127 August 20, 2010 I would hope and expect given the current oversight of Iranian financial transaction that it would prove almost impossible to move any money from there to the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #128 August 20, 2010 This is similar to the Jews allowing the building of the Nazi headquarters in Jerusalem, and saying, " Oh, they really mean no harm ....lwhy can't we all be friends "? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #129 August 20, 2010 Quote This is similar to the Jews allowing the building of the Nazi headquarters in Jerusalem, and saying, " Oh, they really mean no harm ....lwhy can't we all be friends "? Of all of the arguments against this, that is probably the dumbest of all of the ones I keep hearing. When you can show me that all of the Muslim world participated in 9/11 then I will agree with that statement. Since that is not the case and anyone with half a brain knows it, that statement is just idiotic. I know you won't answer this, but would you have a problem if the US Military wanted to open a recruiting center a few blocks away from the site of the Oklahoma city bombing?Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #130 August 20, 2010 No, it wouldn't be anything like that. Allowing a branch of Al Qaeda to operate there would be closer. But it's not Al Qaeda who's going to opening there. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #131 August 20, 2010 Quote This is similar to the Jews allowing the building of the Nazi headquarters in Jerusalem, and saying, " Oh, they really mean no harm ....lwhy can't we all be friends "? No - it's similar to building a German community center in Jerusalem. What would be wrong with that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
okalb 104 #132 August 20, 2010 Quote cuomo has said that he will not investigate the funds, even though there is a good possibility that they will take funds from Iran. I just don't understand that at all. Hey Dom, Do we investigate every church that opens to see where the money is coming from before we decide if it is ok for them to build or not? Maybe we should see if they are connected to such terrorist organizations as the Vatican before we should allow them to build.Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #133 August 20, 2010 No Oren, we do not and shouldn't. But the question was asked. They said they will not rule out the possibility of taking money from Iran. Why should we not look into it at that point?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #134 August 20, 2010 Quote Maybe we should see if they are connected to such terrorist organizations as the Vatican before we should allow them to build. FTR, I dont support organized religion. I dont trust the Catholic Church what so ever.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #135 August 20, 2010 Quote Quote This is similar to the Jews allowing the building of the Nazi headquarters in Jerusalem, and saying, " Oh, they really mean no harm ....lwhy can't we all be friends "? No - it's similar to building a German community center in Jerusalem. What would be wrong with that? Actually . . . Catholic/Christian. Hitler was a Catholic. Quote "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942) Source; http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htmquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #136 August 20, 2010 Quote This is similar to the Jews allowing the building of the Nazi headquarters in Jerusalem, and saying, " Oh, they really mean no harm ....lwhy can't we all be friends "? What a crock of shitWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #137 August 20, 2010 Quote Of all of the arguments against this, that is probably the dumbest of all of the ones I keep hearing. When you can show me that all of the Muslim world participated in 9/11 then I will agree with that statement. Since that is not the case and anyone with half a brain knows it, that statement is just idiotic. Did you know the Bath Party was heavily involved with the Nazi Party?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #138 August 20, 2010 Quote They said they will not rule out the possibility of taking money from Iran. Why should we not look into it at that point?If you look at the Cordoba Initiative's FAQ pagethey make it quite clear that a. they hope to raise money from lots of different people b. The New York Charities Bureau and the US Treasury Department will review the donor list That should vet the donations for apprpriateness. I have a feeling that the Treasury department would frown on a check signed by Ahmedinejad. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #139 August 20, 2010 Quote If you look at the Cordoba Initiative's FAQ pagethey make it quite clear that a. they hope to raise money from lots of different people b. The New York Charities Bureau and the US Treasury Department will review the donor list That should vet the donations for apprpriateness. I have a feeling that the Treasury department would frown on a check signed by Ahmedinejad. Most of you wont like this, but I dont trust them at all Wendy. They can say whatever they want on their FAQ section of their website. Donor list, who is going to provide the Donor list? If they do take money from Iran, you think they are going to put that on their donor list? Andrew Cumo has said that we will not look into it because he believes all of this is "Islamophobia" If they want people to trust and believe that they are not going to be supporting terrorist activities, then they need to say straight out...."We will not take money from known terrorist organizations."Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #140 August 20, 2010 Quote Quote Quote This is similar to the Jews allowing the building of the Nazi headquarters in Jerusalem, and saying, " Oh, they really mean no harm ....lwhy can't we all be friends "? No - it's similar to building a German community center in Jerusalem. What would be wrong with that? Actually . . . Catholic/Christian. Hitler was a Catholic. Quote "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942) Source; http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm Good catch, Paul - that's really the relevant comparison if you want to bring the Nazis in - Hitler did his thing in the name of Catholicism just as al Qaeda did theirs in the name of Islam. Just as we reject Hitler's claim to represent all of Catholicism, we should equally reject al Qaeda's to represent all of Islam. Why the double standard? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #141 August 20, 2010 Well said WayneWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,517 #142 August 20, 2010 Quote Most of you wont like this, but I dont trust them at all Wendy. They can say whatever they want on their FAQ section of their websiteSo in other words it doesn't matter what they say or do, you're against them. Why is that? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 845 #143 August 20, 2010 I think this is the true root of the issue with everyone opposed to the Mosque's location. Distrust / fear. Which explains why that perspective cannot be reasonably or logically expressed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #144 August 20, 2010 Quote So in other words it doesn't matter what they say or do, you're against them. Why is that? I'm saying that trust is earned and they are not doing anything to earn that trust. The only way that the fundamentalists are going to be stamped out is from the inside of the Muslim religion and I see NOTHING that shows me that is happening. They are pushing so hard for their right to build and DO NOT CARE that it is insensitive and strikes a very real nerve with a very large portion of both the right and left. They want tolerance, but they have no understanding or concern for the way people feel about it. They can build a Mosque anywhere else and nobody would be raising a stink about it. That is evident by the 100's of Mosques already in NYC that nobody messes with.Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #145 August 20, 2010 Quote Quote So in other words it doesn't matter what they say or do, you're against them. Why is that? I'm saying that trust is earned and they are not doing anything to earn that trust. The only way that the fundamentalists are going to be stamped out is from the inside of the Muslim religion and I see NOTHING that shows me that is happening. Most likely because you're not looking. http://www.pbm.org.uk/press/20091002islam4uk.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwy1W0IvnMg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITq7rLG64Lc British Muslims confronting Islamist extremists from UK4Islam/Al Majairoun on the streets on Luton (UK) (From 2:13 onwards) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX7Oh7YJMGo&feature=relatedWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #146 August 20, 2010 Quote Quote Dude, give it up. We disagree. They have no logical reason from a religious stand point to build it there save one. PeriodActually, they have just as much justification as any other religion to build a house of worship. There are Muslims who work in lower Manhattan, and they might like somewhere to go during the day and early evening on the way home from work; particularly since Friday is normally a workday -- this will give people a place to go for prayer on the way home Friday evening. They have been using this site for quite awhile, but only as an informal mosque. Now they want to increase the number of services offered. I believe that's what a business (and any religion is a business in this context) does when they're growing. Marc, your objections appear to be largely emotional. There's nothing wrong with that -- 9/11 engenders some strong emotions, and you're not the only person they engender some strong emotions in. People are emotional creatures. That's why this is a hot topic. But trying to turn it into a non-emotional objection really exposes its emotional core. Wendy P. Not emotional at all. Too many whys they will not answer. I could care less if they build a mosque. If they want to be inclusive and open, why do they want to build it where 3/4 of New Yorkers dont want it and 60% of the US population doesnt want it Great way to build a relation ship Why is THIS spot so important?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teigen 0 #147 August 20, 2010 Why is everyone so against this mosque? McDonalds must've killed way more amerians than muslims! If anything, its McDonalds that should be banned! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #148 August 20, 2010 Quote Why is THIS spot so important? 1) Do you know what they're actually trying to build? No. It's not actually a mosque. 2) Do you know the guy that's trying to build it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 845 #149 August 21, 2010 Interesting numbers. The link you provided earlier with the poll showed opposite percentages. Here's one for you" Poll Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #150 August 21, 2010 Nice on line poll How about this one http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_ground_zero_mosque_poll"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
