Jihadi Meetingplace shut Down in Germany; 9/11 Conspirators Gathered There

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Japan has not forgotten what the Americans did to it at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nor have the Americans forgiven it for Pearl Harbor. It is not necessary to forget and forgive; it is merely necessary to act in a civilized fashion and internalize the fact that there is always a time to rend and a time to sew. David Ben-Gurion and Moshe Sharett understood this as well: It was not merely for the sake of the reparation payments that they decided to turn over a new leaf in Israel's relations with Germany.

But nevertheless, there is something about America, and there is an extra something about New York. Last week, a public committee decided unanimously to permit a large Islamic center, which will include a mosque, to be built adjacent to Ground Zero. The voices of those who were opposed, who compared the initiative to allowing an idol in the Temple, were drowned out by the voices of those who supported it.

There is nothing more annoying than the assertion that "all Jews are the same," or alternatively, "all Zionists are the same." Zionism, like Judaism, was never all cut from the same cloth, or forged of the same spirit, and in recent generations, these differences have become even more pronounced. Like every movement for national self-determination, Zionism too has beautiful aspects as well as some rather ugly ones. Everyone who identifies with it chooses the way he wishes it to look.

And sometimes, we do what is hateful to us to 1.5 billion Muslims as well. Like us, they are not all cut from the same cloth, nor do they all think the same way. Not all of them are members of the Taliban or Al-Qaida; most of them are horrified at the sight of towers collapsing on those inside them, or noses or ears that have been cut off and little girls' eyes that have been gouged out on the way to school.

Sharif El-Gamal, for example, who initiated the plan for the Islamic center near Ground Zero, represents hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers - doctors and lawyers, teachers and students, policemen and firemen - who consider Mohammed their prophet. He himself belongs to the Jewish community center on Manhattan's Upper East Side. "My sister-in-law is Jewish," he says, "and this year, I was blessed with my first Jewish niece."

It is not clear what gremlin got into Abraham Foxman, head of the Anti-Defamation League, who was at the forefront of those denouncing the plan as a "provocation." Why be in such a hurry to reject a building whose founders say it is intended to promote interfaith dialogue? After all, they promised that "extremism will have no place here."

Any responsible person must reach out to every moderate, while at the same time distancing and condemning every extremist. Those who conflate people of good intentions with those of evil intentions, whether by commission or omission, will return the world to a state of chaos and lead it to Sodom.

That is Europe's mistake: It is pushing Turkey into Iran's arms. That is also the mistake being made by former Likud prime minister Yitzhak Shamir's successors, who continue chanting that "the sea is the same sea and the Arabs are the same Arabs" - which, of course, is akin to other abominable statements like "all Muslims are the same."

Perhaps it is the Jews who sometimes constitute the best proof that there is no inoculation against anti-Semitism.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-mosque-in-the-temple-1.307734

A very good article written by a Jewish man in an Israeli Paper about the Mosque near(ish) 'ground zero'

You've gotta be fucking kidding me....

Germany is STILL PAYING REPARATIONS TO ISRAEL. Look it up.

Europe is NOT PUSHING TURKEY INTO IRAN'S ARMS (once again, the typical muslim attitude of blaming others far away for their internal problems - how convenient). They are perfectly capable of doing it by themselves.

Unlike the other rubes on this forum, I actually live in the Middle East and see it all firsthand. You're not getting away with your bullshit anymore.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Unlike the other rubes on this forum, I actually live in the Middle East and see it all firsthand. You're not getting away with your bullshit anymore.

Dom

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No doubt you've a great view from the PX And the article wasn't written by a Muslim but by a JEW. If its bull shit you can smell I suggesst you check your shoes.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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No doubt you've a great view from the PX

Even if it's from the PX, no doubt it's a better view than from Ireland - wouldn't you say?

Mike
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No doubt you've a great view from the PX

Even if it's from the PX, no doubt it's a better view than from Ireland - wouldn't you say?

I'm here now doesn't mean I've never been there. Sitting on your arse in a on camp coffe shop hiding behind the wire doesn't count as living in a country a REMF posting doesn't make one an expert on the middle east.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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No doubt you've a great view from the PX

He is only stating what he sees everyday. You need to learn to be more tolerant of his beliefs. Stop hating the white guy for telling it like he sees it everyday. That is not very PC of you.

Dom

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I neither know or care what colour he is.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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I'm here now doesn't mean i've never been there. Sitting on your arse in a on camp coffe shop hiding behind the wire doesn't count as living in a country. Some REMF posting doesn't make one an expert on the middle east.

Well if it is so great over there...why did you leave? I bet it has something to do with the fact that it sucks religion wouldn't let you be who you wanted to be.

Dom

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lol. But we do right?

Dom

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Seems you know even less than Marky mark

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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No doubt you've a great view from the PX

Even if it's from the PX, no doubt it's a better view than from Ireland - wouldn't you say?

I'm here now doesn't mean I've never been there. Sitting on your arse in a on camp coffe shop hiding behind the wire doesn't count as living in a country a REMF posting doesn't make one an expert on the middle east.

And you know he's "sitting on his arse in an on-camp coffee shop hiding behind the wire" exactly how, Jamile?

How many years did *you* spend in the M.E.?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Ok, so where are you from and where do you live?

Dom

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And you know he's "sitting on his arse in an on-camp coffee shop hiding behind the wire" exactly how, Jamile?

With that much hate and rage in his heart, I fucking hope he's behind the wire. If markharju has any interaction with Muslims at all in his position, he should be removed and sent back to the States.

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And you know he's "sitting on his arse in an on-camp coffee shop hiding behind the wire" exactly how, Jamile?

With that much hate and rage in his heart, I fucking hope he's behind the wire. If markharju has any interaction with Muslims at all in his position, he should be removed and sent back to the States.

I've seen him interact with local Muslims for several years in Kosovo and he was nothing but polite.

Your post *does* show the fallacy of thinking that the posts define the person, though.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706