Freedom, Westboro Baptist Church, Patriot Guard Riders

[Andy9o8 2]

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Yes, we should all demonstrate your level of tolerance.

It is Christ-like.

[Amazon 7]

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Yes, we should all demonstrate your level of tolerance.

It would be a start.... but I doubt if I will EVER see it in my lifetime..... large segments of the south just dont have the capacity... bless their very little hearts.

[Skyrad 0]

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>What about Dr's, Nurses, Radiographers etc?

Some are good people, some aren't - like everyone else. They don't generally risk their lives in those positions, military or not.

Oh really? I'd argue that a Dr, Nurse or Radiographer is far more likely to risk their life on a daily basis than a Soldier who is either not in a war zone or is in a REMF job. Getting assulted by patients or even murdered is not uncommon. On top of which getting a needlestick injury from a patient with HepB, HIV not to mention a whole host of other nasty diseases is a everyday risk.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[Skyrad 0]

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If you've never served you will never know. I guess all of you Military haters on this board dont realize that every single individual that enlists does of their own accord. All VOLUNTEER Military. In doing so they sign Uncle Sugar a check up too and including their very own life. SO, you can hate them all you want, but until your willing to make that same very sacrifice STFU.

I have served and I agree with the poster that just because somone joins up doesn't make them a hero and deserving of instant respect above anyone else. I also agree that not everyone who joins up does so for 'Freedom' As for people who haven't served just 'STFU' maybe you missed the whole point of democracy & 'freedom' that the US millitary supposedly defend.

Just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't make them a 'hater', the world is full of shades of grey, not everything is black and white.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[Skyrad 0]

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all of you Military haters

There isn't a single one of those in this thread. It's a childish slander that those who criticize the government are America-haters, or who criticize the military are military-haters - any more than those who criticize their loved ones to try to make them better people are family-haters. It's also totally silly that a lifelong civilian has no moral right to criticize his country's military. Maybe you should read the First Amendment, toss aside your juvenile slogans, and then re-examine who should STFU.

Well said Sir.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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If you've never served you will never know. I guess all of you Military haters on this board dont realize that every single individual that enlists does of their own accord. All VOLUNTEER Military. In doing so they sign Uncle Sugar a check up too and including their very own life. SO, you can hate them all you want, but until your willing to make that same very sacrifice STFU.

pure ignorant bravado. Individuals serve for individual reasons, but to the government(s) they serve they are little more than bullets in a gun. This is true no matter what flag is on their arm.

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[RonD1120 62]

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If you've never served you will never know. I guess all of you Military haters on this board dont realize that every single individual that enlists does of their own accord. All VOLUNTEER Military. In doing so they sign Uncle Sugar a check up too and including their very own life. SO, you can hate them all you want, but until your willing to make that same very sacrifice STFU.

pure ignorant bravado. Individuals serve for individual reasons, but to the government(s) they serve they are little more than bullets in a gun. This is true no matter what flag is on their arm.

For you, the key words of his post are, "If you've never served you will never know." There is a strong bond among military veterans.

That bond used to exist between sport parachutists. However, that closeness disappeared many, many years ago.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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Yes, we should all demonstrate your level of tolerance.

It is Christ-like.

I gotta ask, how would you know?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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If you've never served you will never know. I guess all of you Military haters on this board dont realize that every single individual that enlists does of their own accord. All VOLUNTEER Military. In doing so they sign Uncle Sugar a check up too and including their very own life. SO, you can hate them all you want, but until your willing to make that same very sacrifice STFU.

pure ignorant bravado. Individuals serve for individual reasons, but to the government(s) they serve they are little more than bullets in a gun. This is true no matter what flag is on their arm.

Agreed... The problems is that there are some (around here) that appear to subscribe to the...

"My country/Military/Religion/Group ... Right or Wrong [*delete as appropriate] "

- baaa .. baaaaa (sheeple).


P.S I 'served' - 10 years and warrant/expect no respect or thanks just because of my job description.

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

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Who, TF, is taking away any freedom from the (modern) US? Them guys always have been free and even the evil Twin Towers attack did not take away a bit of their freedom.

Who? Themselves. (remember the Patriot Act?)

"One day, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it's worth watching."

Dudeist Skydiver #101

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We can make this about freedom, the military, the war, but I think it is missing the point.

In my opinion it is just wrong to protest and interrupt anyones funeral or memorial. Soldier, politician, or some one less desirable like a convicted killer or rapist; the memorial is for the families, let them be.

It lacks compasion to turn a grieving families last respects into a freakshow.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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I don't think anyone here argues that fact.

In fact, If I were in control of the military I'd make taking care of the Westboro Baptists the primary objects. Get off whatever other mission and take care of something equal to terrorists- mentally handicapped bigots.

I think there are few things in this world less deserving of breath than the Westboro psychos.

[Andy9o8 2]

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For you, the key words of his post are, "If you've never served you will never know." There is a strong bond among military veterans.

Nope; that was a smoke-screen. The real key words of his post were "all you military haters". It is a standard tactic to squelch those who dare to criticize their own group, or any sub-group within their group, by tarnishing them with the slander "hater" or even "self-hater".

By the way, stop criticizing the modern skydiving culture. Why are you a jumper-hater?

[Andy9o8 2]

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Yes, we should all demonstrate your level of tolerance.

It is Christ-like.

I gotta ask, how would you know?

I knew it before he spake it, Ronald.

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For you, the key words of his post are, "If you've never served you will never know." There is a strong bond among military veterans.

Nope; that was a smoke-screen. The real key words of his post were "all you military haters". It is a standard tactic to squelch those who dare to criticize their own group, or any sub-group within their group, by tarnishing them with the slander "hater" or even "self-hater".

By the way, stop criticizing the modern skydiving culture. Why are you a jumper-hater?

So, it's like playing the race card, then.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 2,991]

> I'd argue that a Dr, Nurse or Radiographer is far more likely to risk their
>life on a daily basis . . .

Not really. (I mean, you could claim that architects risk their lives just like the military do because they go to dangerous jobsites, but the numbers don't really bear that out.)

>than a Soldier who is either not in a war zone or is in a REMF job.

No doubt. But on average, a lot more soldiers get killed while doing their jobs than doctors.

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>than a Soldier who is either not in a war zone or is in a REMF job.

No doubt. But on average, a lot more soldiers get killed while doing their jobs than doctors.

killed on the spot, yes. But medical types are exposed to a number of diseases and radiation on a daily basis. Those do impact and can shorten life. Compared to a logistics clerk at an Army base stateside, it's certainly a higher level of risk for the lab techs at the hospital.

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You were pure hell on your Stretch Armstrong as a kid, weren't you? That was just a bit of a reach.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[RonD1120 62]

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Nope; that was a smoke-screen. The real key words of his post were "all you military haters". It is a standard tactic to squelch those who dare to criticize their own group, or any sub-group within their group, by tarnishing them with the slander "hater" or even "self-hater".

By the way, stop criticizing the modern skydiving culture. Why are you a jumper-hater?

The word hate has become such a trite, hackneyed political term that I don't react to it much.

When us vets get together we do not talk about who hates us or why. We do not talk much about the pros and cons of the current war. Although, most agree we want it to end ASAP.

What we mostly discuss is the sad state of our governmental leadership at the national level. We share our dissatisfaction at the spread of socialism or progressivism in our American society. We speak with sadness that young people are either patriotic or anti-American. We complain about the citizens of other countries who bitch about the U.S.A and enjoy their freedom because of our power in force during WWII.

Jumper hater, no, I'm not guilty. I do, however, strongly oppose the demonic influence in our sport even though it is Quixotic battle.

BTW, since no one has accurately picked on the theme of my OP, it is:

1 John 4

Testing the Spirits

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

God Is Love

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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When us vets get together we do not talk about who hates us or why. What we mostly discuss is the sad state of our governmental leadership at the national level. We share our dissatisfaction at the spread of socialism or progressivism in our American society.

Are yes, because "you vets" are indeed a uniform bloc of conservative, god-fearin' folk.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[KidWicked 0]

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If you've never served you will never know.

How convenient for you.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[kelpdiver 2]

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You were pure hell on your Stretch Armstrong as a kid, weren't you? That was just a bit of a reach.

WTF is a stretch armstrong?

So tell me, what sacrifice is made, what risk is taken by the men and women that keep our bases running? There's nothing notable about their job that stands above anyone else.

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Except the bases they may be running may be in a hostile environment. They do not stay on US soil the whole time they serve (not normally). They go on deployments, they go on convoys and they get blown up in them too.

Combat Troops need Combat Support and Combat Service Support to do their jobs, which is why they are assigned in Combat units too.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[billvon 2,991]

>So tell me, what sacrifice is made, what risk is taken by the men and
>women that keep our bases running?

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Four Dead in Alaska Air Force Base Crash

C-17 Cargo Plane on Training Run Crashed Wednesday, Sending Fireball into the 750 Feet into the Sky


A C-17 jet was practicing for an upcoming air show in Alaska when the plane went down and exploded. As Betty Nguyen reports, all four passengers are assumed dead.
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the demonic influence in our sport

I've yet to see any type of demon worship at any drop zone, but have been criticized in the past for not taking part in a prayer. I am agnostic and personally find that praying is ridiculous.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young