Freedom, Westboro Baptist Church, Patriot Guard Riders

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I clearly remember being scared as a child when going to a First Assembly of God church in Winter Haven FL.
Lady next to me drops to the floor flopping around babbling in some indecipherable language while the pastor is asking for money.
It all became clear on that day.

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in this country we have allowed too much liberty with the freedom of religion.

Is that a quote from Mullah Omar?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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I clearly remember being scared as a child when going to a First Assembly of God church in Winter Haven FL.
Lady next to me drops to the floor flopping around babbling in some indecipherable language while the pastor is asking for money.
It all became clear on that day.

What that you'd walked in on support group for epileptics by accident

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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But there will be no arguing here..I'm simply telling you, watch your wording when you're showing your true self.

I can use whatever words I want when expressing my true self...hello.

I find it fascinating that you can post all of this crap...I'm glad you're starting to turn away from your true self...remember this:

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I don't have to worry about asking for forgiveness every time I commit a 'sin'.

I don't have to keep worrying about whether or not I am living my life according to "God's" book of rules.

I can lust over whom I please without guilt.

I can be jealous over what other people have without worrying about it.

I can show my true feelings towards people without having to try stick to lines of kindness.

In fact, I quite enjoy sinning.

Though it's not even about what one does with their freedom, it's that they have the option to.

...So congrdulations, you've just officially become a hypocrite...but that's ok, most everyone is, they just have a hard time lookin' at themselves.

...and you can throw that hypocrite line back at me all you want, but everyone here knows that I'm wretched sinner...I'm willing to bet that's reason #2 you're an apostate...you couldn't stand being a hypocrite with all that sinning while calling yourself a Christian.

The fact is that saying the word nigga is the least of my problems, and your "warning" about it shows that you don't know me as well as you think you do.

Instead of giving me a warning, why don't you do something about it and ban me istead of using it as an excuse to attack my character and go off on a power trip...besides, how many warnings does it take? Seriously...

Ninja Administrator my ass.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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So where does freedom of religion need to stop, then?

I really think there are a LOT of people who are good with the establishment of The Church of America... in contravention to what our Founding Fathers put into our constitution from their personal experience with the Church of England

By the time of the adoption of our constitution English subjects had experienced 250 years of the abuses of the Church of England to show them how NOT to have a state religion.l

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Just thought I'd screw up everyone's day by going back on subject for a bit, since we're bashing religion and not liberals it's not like a mod will take the lead.

Two points-Your rights end where my nose begins. The funerals and memorial services aren't the place the Westboro crew to espouse their views. If they're that hungry for media coverage, hire a publicist.
Personally, I do not ride with the Patriot Guard mainly because my bs tolerance is too low to maintain the non physical rules they have. They The PG riders are just better people than I am. WBC take tacky to the level that should be a shooting offense.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

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Just thought I'd screw up everyone's day by going back on subject for a bit, since we're bashing religion and not liberals it's not like a mod will take the lead.

Two points-Your rights end where my nose begins. The funerals and memorial services aren't the place the Westboro crew to espouse their views. If they're that hungry for media coverage, hire a publicist.
Personally, I do not ride with the Patriot Guard mainly because my bs tolerance is too low to maintain the non physical rules they have. They The PG riders are just better people than I am. WBC take tacky to the level that should be a shooting offense.

But you see no matter how tacky and morally reprehensible the WBC is they do have the freedom of speech to do exactly as they are doing just as the low life NAZI scum did to march thru a Jewish suburb near Chicago. The ability to voice ones opinions is part of what makes this country what it is. That is what a lot of people have fought and died for. Those that suggest that another American leave our country because they may have voiced an opinion that is out of the mainstream majority are the LEAST american of us all.

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I'm a ride Captain with the PGR, my take on this whole thing is this;
If it wasn't for those WBC fools there would be no Patriot Guard (180,000 strong), as bad as the WBC is, the good the PGR has done for veterans and their families has FAR out-weighed that. I've seen the what the PGR means to families, with no protestors present.
I've been to numerous funerals of KIA's in the current wars, to veterans of every military service as well as first responders.
The PGR shows all veterans, first responders, and their families the respect they deserve. We stand proud, tall and silent to honor them.
All thanks to the WBC, I guess it's just karma

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[wmw999 2,446]

Nicely said.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Being intimately familiar with your 'book' I'm glad I'm not in it.
as to the rest I stand by my statement. You know nothing about me, but assume much, you couldn't be more wrong in all your assumptions.

And you know nothing about him, yet assume much.

Incorrect. His meaning is either plain by his postings or he is a fabulous skilled troll. I suspect he is a man. Of his word as written and as such there is no assuming anything other than what he posts. He on the other hand presumes that all veterans nod in agreement with his viewpoint and reasoning. Fact is veterans are individuals like everyone else and Not subject to the group think view point expresses when he pretends he speaks for all of us.

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Being intimately familiar with your 'book' I'm glad I'm not in it.
as to the rest I stand by my statement. You know nothing about me, but assume much, you couldn't be more wrong in all your assumptions.

And you know nothing about him, yet assume much.

Incorrect. His meaning is either plain by his postings or he is a fabulous skilled troll. I suspect he is a man. Of his word as written and as such there is no assuming anything other than what he posts. He on the other hand presumes that all veterans nod in agreement with his viewpoint and reasoning. Fact is veterans are individuals like everyone else and Not subject to the group think view point expresses when he pretends he speaks for all of us.

I also prefer to speak for myself.

I had some very good experiences and some not so good while in the service for 8 years.
I used every bit of my GI BILL to make sure that the rest of my life was NOT defined by that which other people wanted to define me by or wanted me to conform to.

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Being intimately familiar with your 'book' I'm glad I'm not in it.
as to the rest I stand by my statement. You know nothing about me, but assume much, you couldn't be more wrong in all your assumptions.

And you know nothing about him, yet assume much.

Incorrect. His meaning is either plain by his postings or he is a fabulous skilled troll. I suspect he is a man. Of his word as written and as such there is no assuming anything other than what he posts. He on the other hand presumes that all veterans nod in agreement with his viewpoint and reasoning. Fact is veterans are individuals like everyone else and Not subject to the group think view point expresses when he pretends he speaks for all of us.

OK, let's have a review. The following is a complete quote of my first post to you. Show me where I was in error.

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For you the key words are "fuck off".

I am a veteran and my family has a history of military service that goes back more than 120 years.
Your words.

You seem tense. I guess your military service was not a pleasant time and you did not make close friends in your unit. At any rate, thank you for your service. I don't suppose I'll be seeing you at veteran organizations or gatherings.

Also, you, and others as I have noted, missed the point of the OP at the start.
My reply

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I'm a ride Captain with the PGR, my take on this whole thing is this;
If it wasn't for those WBC fools there would be no Patriot Guard (180,000 strong), as bad as the WBC is, the good the PGR has done for veterans and their families has FAR out-weighed that. I've seen the what the PGR means to families, with no protestors present.
I've been to numerous funerals of KIA's in the current wars, to veterans of every military service as well as first responders.
The PGR shows all veterans, first responders, and their families the respect they deserve. We stand proud, tall and silent to honor them.
All thanks to the WBC, I guess it's just karma

PGR Mission Complete. WBC was a no-show. Proper respect and dignity maintained for the fallen warrior and the Cuzzupe family.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Great Job!
We had them say they were showing up to a KIA funeral in June, they did'nt and they hardly ever do. I've only been to one mission when they did, even then I never saw them because there were already so many PGR around them, I went on to salute the familiy at the service.
Unfortunatley I may have another KIA funeral within the next week, they never get any easier, but what the PGR does is worth every minute of my time.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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So where does freedom of religion need to stop, then?

It will stop when the one world government, one world religion is established.

It is approaching. One clue for its arrival will be when you carry all your biometric data as an implant on your hand or forehead.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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It will stop when the one world government.... is established.

Without world government, how do you expect us to resist the Klingons?
Go ahead. Laugh now. But I'm stocking up.

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So where does freedom of religion need to stop, then?

It will stop when the one world government, one world religion is established.

It is approaching. One clue for its arrival will be when you carry all your biometric data as an implant on your hand or forehead.

No.

Where do you think it should stop?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So where does freedom of religion need to stop, then?

It will stop when the one world government, one world religion is established.

It is approaching. One clue for its arrival will be when you carry all your biometric data as an implant on your hand or forehead.

No.

Where do you think it should stop?

Well, I guess at the property line on the other side of my neighbors.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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So where does freedom of religion need to stop, then?

It will stop when the one world government, one world religion is established.

It is approaching. One clue for its arrival will be when you carry all your biometric data as an implant on your hand or forehead.

No.

Where do you think it should stop?

Well, I guess at the property line on the other side of my neighbors.

On the other side of your neighbours?

So when you said "Unfortunately, in this country we have allowed too much liberty with the freedom of religion." you meant that you don't want your neighbours to be able to practice their own religion?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So where does freedom of religion need to stop, then?

It will stop when the one world government, one world religion is established.

It is approaching. One clue for its arrival will be when you carry all your biometric data as an implant on your hand or forehead.

No.

Where do you think it should stop?

Well, I guess at the property line on the other side of my neighbors.

On the other side of your neighbours?

So when you said "Unfortunately, in this country we have allowed too much liberty with the freedom of religion." you meant that you don't want your neighbours to be able to practice their own religion?

I live in the South. Down here we stick together.

I know you are going to require further explanation. My neighbors and I have like values. If some wacko buys property next to one of them they will be upset. I will join them and be upset also. We will likely begin to behave in attitude and manner that will indicate to the wacko that he would probably be happier if he lived somewhere else. We would stay within the limits of the law but the message would be delivered and understood. Now the wacko can stay and be miserable or move.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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So in that sense, freedom of religion already does stop at your neighbours fence. People can't just stand on his lawn displaying their religion if your neighbour doesn't want him to.

So how has freedom of religion gone too far?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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So in that sense, freedom of religion already does stop at your neighbours fence. People can't just stand on his lawn displaying their religion if your neighbour doesn't want him to.

So how has freedom of religion gone too far?

Diminishing returns here same as there.

My point started with the word liberty. You shifted to freedom to maintain argument.

Liberty is the freedom to do what is right, not the right to do what is wrong. When a church pickets and demonstrates at the funeral of a fallen warrior, telling his family and friends he deserved to die, that is wrong.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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My point started with the word liberty. You shifted to freedom to maintain argument.

a) It's the same thing.

b) "Unfortunately, in this country we have allowed too much liberty with the freedom of religion."

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Liberty is the freedom to do what is right, not the right to do what is wrong.

Bollocks. You can't just redefine language whenever you feel like it.

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When a church pickets and demonstrates at the funeral of a fallen warrior, telling his family and friends he deserved to die, that is wrong.

But it's allowed. They're allowed to believe it under freedom of religion and they're allowed to say it under freedom of speech.

If you think the limits should fall short of that, where do you think they should fall?

(And I'll just remind you that the remark was originally made in the context of money grubbing evangelists and speaking in tongues.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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My point started with the word liberty. You shifted to freedom to maintain argument.

a) It's the same thing.

b) "Unfortunately, in this country we have allowed too much liberty with the freedom of religion."

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Liberty is the freedom to do what is right, not the right to do what is wrong.

Bollocks. You can't just redefine language whenever you feel like it.

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When a church pickets and demonstrates at the funeral of a fallen warrior, telling his family and friends he deserved to die, that is wrong.

But it's allowed. They're allowed to believe it under freedom of religion and they're allowed to say it under freedom of speech.

If you think the limits should fall short of that, where do you think they should fall?

Law enforcement stops it at the property line. They are confined to the public right of way. The PGR provides a human wall of patriotic separation and dignity.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Law enforcement stops it at the property line. They are confined to the public right of way. The PGR provides a human wall of patriotic separation and dignity.

That's not an answer. You've just repeated what the limits are, not what you think they should be.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?