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Law enforcement stops it at the property line. They are confined to the public right of way. The PGR provides a human wall of patriotic separation and dignity.



That's not an answer. You've just repeated what the limits are, not what you think they should be.



I think they should be what I said they are.

Definitely in negative utils now.
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So you don't think there is too much freedom of religion in the US.

Why did you say there was?



I said there was too much liberty of the freedom.
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So you don't think there is too much freedom of religion in the US.

Why did you say there was?



I said there was too much liberty of the freedom.



Yeah, and then you said liberty meant the freedom to do right. So you think that your country allows people to do too much stuff that's right through their religion.

Which is pretty wierd.
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So you don't think there is too much freedom of religion in the US.

Why did you say there was?



I said there was too much liberty of the freedom.



Yeah, and then you said liberty meant the freedom to do right. So you think that your country allows people to do too much stuff that's right through their religion.

Which is pretty wierd.



It's an American thing.
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It's an American thing.



No, it's a you thing.

If (and it doesn't) liberty means freedom to do right then I very much doubt that you'll find anyone to agree with you that there can be too much liberty.
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I live in the South. Down here we stick together.

I know you are going to require further explanation. My neighbors and I have like values. If some wacko buys property next to one of them they will be upset. I will join them and be upset also. We will likely begin to behave in attitude and manner that will indicate to the wacko that he would probably be happier if he lived somewhere else. We would stay within the limits of the law but the message would be delivered and understood. Now the wacko can stay and be miserable or move.



You should leave a burning cross in their yard, that'd teach 'em.
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I know you are going to require further explanation. My neighbors and I have like values. If some wacko buys property next to one of them they will be upset. I will join them and be upset also. We will likely begin to behave in attitude and manner that will indicate to the wacko that he would probably be happier if he lived somewhere else. We would stay within the limits of the law but the message would be delivered and understood. Now the wacko can stay and be miserable or move.



Or maybe the "wacko" (I'm curious how that would be defined in your neighborhood) will respond to the harassment by using his Second Amendment rights to protect his right to live in his own dwelling, and someone will wind up getting shot. Attaboy, neighbor.

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Being intimately familiar with your 'book' I'm glad I'm not in it.
as to the rest I stand by my statement. You know nothing about me, but assume much, you couldn't be more wrong in all your assumptions.



And you know nothing about him, yet assume much.



Incorrect. His meaning is either plain by his postings or he is a fabulous skilled troll. I suspect he is a man. Of his word as written and as such there is no assuming anything other than what he posts. He on the other hand presumes that all veterans nod in agreement with his viewpoint and reasoning. Fact is veterans are individuals like everyone else and Not subject to the group think view point expresses when he pretends he speaks for all of us.



OK, let's have a review. The following is a complete quote of my first post to you. Show me where I was in error.

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For you the key words are "fuck off".

I am a veteran and my family has a history of military service that goes back more than 120 years.
Your words.



You seem tense. I guess your military service was not a pleasant time and you did not make close friends in your unit. At any rate, thank you for your service. I don't suppose I'll be seeing you at veteran organizations or gatherings.

Also, you, and others as I have noted, missed the point of the OP at the start.
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First Error, your first post to me was #32:
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For you, the key words of his post are, "If you've never served you will never know." There is a strong bond among military veterans.

That bond used to exist between sport parachutists. However, that closeness disappeared many, many years ago.



Fundamental Error: The assumption that because I disagree with you I've never served, or that my service is some how 'lacking' because I didnt get the same 'message' from it that you did.

Fact is, military service ALONE, doesn't not make one a hero, some of the worst dirtbags in history have been military veterans, and more often than not those who claim 'glory' in their military service are some of the worst offenders.

WHAT YOU DO TODAY, not what job you have, not what job you HAD, not what job you personally define your life as(as many former veterans do, relying on past 'glory' they rarely earned personally), and certainly not (as you've claimed often as recently in this thread) what flag you wore on your sleeve or fly over your house, is what matters.

Yesterday is over, tomorrow is a whisper that may never appear, what did you do TODAY to prove your worth? Right here, right now, not gathering together to pat each other on the back and tell 'there I was stories' is the only thing that makes a difference at all.

Honoring the dead has its place, and those who would use the death of another to make a political statement are stealing oxygen from anyone with a shred of honor and dignity, but perhaps doing more to prevent the lives of the deceased from being thrown away in useless political conflict in the first place would be a better use of your time.

Oh wait, I forget, that requires actual action NOW to shape tomorrow, instead of borrowing reflected glory from the sacrifice already made.

Your entire attitude is 'in error', the sword of the US Military is being wasted to no good cause by the politicians who wield it, and all you do is show up after the fact.
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Being intimately familiar with your 'book' I'm glad I'm not in it.
as to the rest I stand by my statement. You know nothing about me, but assume much, you couldn't be more wrong in all your assumptions.



And you know nothing about him, yet assume much.



Incorrect. His meaning is either plain by his postings or he is a fabulous skilled troll. I suspect he is a man. Of his word as written and as such there is no assuming anything other than what he posts. He on the other hand presumes that all veterans nod in agreement with his viewpoint and reasoning. Fact is veterans are individuals like everyone else and Not subject to the group think view point expresses when he pretends he speaks for all of us.



OK, let's have a review. The following is a complete quote of my first post to you. Show me where I was in error.

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For you the key words are "fuck off".

I am a veteran and my family has a history of military service that goes back more than 120 years.
Your words.



You seem tense. I guess your military service was not a pleasant time and you did not make close friends in your unit. At any rate, thank you for your service. I don't suppose I'll be seeing you at veteran organizations or gatherings.

Also, you, and others as I have noted, missed the point of the OP at the start.
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First Error, your first post to me was #32:
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For you, the key words of his post are, "If you've never served you will never know." There is a strong bond among military veterans.

That bond used to exist between sport parachutists. However, that closeness disappeared many, many years ago.



Fundamental Error: The assumption that because I disagree with you I've never served, or that my service is some how 'lacking' because I didnt get the same 'message' from it that you did.

Fact is, military service ALONE, doesn't not make one a hero, some of the worst dirtbags in history have been military veterans, and more often than not those who claim 'glory' in their military service are some of the worst offenders.

WHAT YOU DO TODAY, not what job you have, not what job you HAD, not what job you personally define your life as(as many former veterans do, relying on past 'glory' they rarely earned personally), and certainly not (as you've claimed often as recently in this thread) what flag you wore on your sleeve or fly over your house, is what matters.

Yesterday is over, tomorrow is a whisper that may never appear, what did you do TODAY to prove your worth? Right here, right now, not gathering together to pat each other on the back and tell 'there I was stories' is the only thing that makes a difference at all.

Honoring the dead has its place, and those who would use the death of another to make a political statement are stealing oxygen from anyone with a shred of honor and dignity, but perhaps doing more to prevent the lives of the deceased from being thrown away in useless political conflict in the first place would be a better use of your time.

Oh wait, I forget, that requires actual action NOW to shape tomorrow, instead of borrowing reflected glory from the sacrifice already made.

Your entire attitude is 'in error', the sword of the US Military is being wasted to no good cause by the politicians who wield it, and all you do is show up after the fact.



I concede that I missed the proper post number.

However, I see no further error. You seem tense. You appear less than pleased with the military. You express a certain apathy or maybe disdain for the KIA. You make no reference to involvement with veterans organizations.

Again, thank you for your service. Have a nice day.
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I know you are going to require further explanation. My neighbors and I have like values. If some wacko buys property next to one of them they will be upset. I will join them and be upset also. We will likely begin to behave in attitude and manner that will indicate to the wacko that he would probably be happier if he lived somewhere else. We would stay within the limits of the law but the message would be delivered and understood. Now the wacko can stay and be miserable or move.



Or maybe the "wacko" (I'm curious how that would be defined in your neighborhood) will respond to the harassment by using his Second Amendment rights to protect his right to live in his own dwelling, and someone will wind up getting shot. Attaboy, neighbor.



Harassment, who said anything about harassment?
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How will you express your attitude and manner of behavior that will make your neighbor unhappy with his choice of domicile? If it's just by ignoring him, welcome to suburban America. If it's more active, it might be definable as harrassment.

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However, I see no further error. You seem tense. You appear less than pleased with the military. You express a certain apathy or maybe disdain for the KIA.( incorrect assumption, projecting perhaps?) You make no reference to involvement with veterans organizations.

Again, thank you for your service. Have a nice day.



again you repeat your errors in assumption, and add another (since you appear to have trouble perceiving the basics, I've highlighted them for you as well as one that is possibly my own in this sentence. You are up to three in this post alone at this point)

No I didn't make any reference to veterans organizations. Of course you are free to assume I'm not, if so you should up your error count to four.

I have no need to brag or live in the past in the manner you so clearly do. I train soldiers, airmen and marines on a daily basis and so am regularly witness to damage the misuse of the military is causing. The military is a tool, it is foolish to be displeased with a tool when fault lies with the hand that wields it. My disdain is for the waste, the damage and therefore the willful disregard of life caused in the misuse of the tool by the hand that wield it.

I will have a nice day. I'm going to jump. In like spirit with your 'nice day', enjoy sitting on your retired rump recalling your 'glory years' as a skydiver and serviceman, some of us haven't given up on living life or improving it for others.
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>Liberty is the freedom to do what is right, not the right to do what is wrong.

Liberty is the freedom to do what YOU think is right. You have that freedom here. If you want to maintain that freedom, you must respect other people's freedom to do what THEY think is right (provided it does not injure you of course.)

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>Liberty is the freedom to do what is right, not the right to do what is wrong.

Liberty is the freedom to do what YOU think is right. You have that freedom here. If you want to maintain that freedom, you must respect other people's freedom to do what THEY think is right (provided it does not injure you of course.)



Roger that.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/24/westboro-church-protest-a_n_692827.html


The loathsome Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), best known for "protesting" the funerals of U.S. soldiers with signs saying "God hates fags" and "God hates America," staged another "protest" on August 13th, this time of the Jewish Federation. Presumably, the Federation's sin is being Jewish.

However, the WBC members got a whole lot more than they bargained for when Brick Stone showed up and started asking them lots of confusing questions about Lady Gaga, Hell, Jews and double anal sex, among other topics.

The church members were sufficiently disturbed by Stone's interviewing style that they decided to end their "protest" early.

Some sample questions:

--If you hate gays, why are you holding the sign that way?

--If a woman dressed as a man has sex with a guy with a vagina, can they still get into heaven? Or, are they already there?

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