Obama Blocks Import of Antique Rifles

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Welcome to Capitalism ... the biggest bank account gets the toys

I have plenty of weapons C&R, Title II...ect. But part of Capitalism is price v. worth. I will not pay more for something that is worth less just because.

Added Supply will reduce prices.

Now, other than the "I already have mine" response... Do you have a rational explanation on the opposition to allowing the import of these weapons?

[Kennedy 0]

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I find it incredible that this issue can possibly mean anything to anybody, enough to motivate one to start a poll on it.

Hell, I'd like one. I tried to get one before, but the Civilian Marksmanship Program does not have many in stock.

"SINCE OCTOBER 2008, WE HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH ORDERS FOR ALL PRODUCTS, ESPECIALLY RIFLES AND AMMUNITION. AS A RESULT, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT DELIVERIES FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT CMP SELLS."

And many of the popular items are sold out or only available in a bidding war.

Welcome to Capitalism ... the biggest bank account gets the toys
I have mine.. I know plenty of people who have them ... BID higher next time

Uh huh, so again, what is the government interest is blocking the import? How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

When you can answer that, you might have a defensible position.

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Then it would be the first one

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I find it incredible that this issue can possibly mean anything to anybody, enough to motivate one to start a poll on it.

Hell, I'd like one. I tried to get one before, but the Civilian Marksmanship Program does not have many in stock.

"SINCE OCTOBER 2008, WE HAVE BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH ORDERS FOR ALL PRODUCTS, ESPECIALLY RIFLES AND AMMUNITION. AS A RESULT, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO PREDICT DELIVERIES FOR ANY OF THE ITEMS THAT CMP SELLS."

And many of the popular items are sold out or only available in a bidding war.

Welcome to Capitalism ... the biggest bank account gets the toys
I have mine.. I know plenty of people who have them ... BID higher next time

Uh huh, so again, what is the government interest is blocking the import? How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

When you can answer that, you might have a defensible position.

That huge sucking sound that you hear is the WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH of the fact that there are PLENTY of those rifles already available on the market.

There are literally TONS of surplus dumped here every year... there is obviously more to this story than just your FEAR that the gun grabbing commies are out to get yall.

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Uh huh, so again, what is the government interest is blocking the import? How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

Well?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[Kennedy 0]

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Uh huh, so again, what is the government interest is blocking the import? How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

When you can answer that, you might have a defensible position.

That huge sucking sound that you hear is the WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH of the fact that there are PLENTY of those rifles already available on the market.

There are literally TONS of surplus dumped here every year... there is obviously more to this story than just your FEAR that the gun grabbing commies are out to get yall.

The BATFE put out their report. It's been linked in this thread. I addressed their points in this post. Do you disagree? Or are you going to keep saying that I'm missing something without saying what that "something" is?

So ONCE AGAIN, How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

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Uh huh, so again, what is the government interest is blocking the import? How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

When you can answer that, you might have a defensible position.

That huge sucking sound that you hear is the WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH of the fact that there are PLENTY of those rifles already available on the market.

There are literally TONS of surplus dumped here every year... there is obviously more to this story than just your FEAR that the gun grabbing commies are out to get yall.

The BATFE put out their report. It's been linked in this thread. I addressed their points in this post. Do you disagree? Or are you going to keep saying that I'm missing something without saying what that "something" is?

So ONCE AGAIN, How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

So did I say that.. NO.

Am I on the side of banning gun sales???

(Think carefully now)

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That huge sucking sound that you hear is the WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH of the fact that there are PLENTY of those rifles already available on the market.

There are literally TONS of surplus dumped here every year... there is obviously more to this story than just your FEAR that the gun grabbing commies are out to get yall.

The BATFE put out their report. It's been linked in this thread. I addressed their points in this post. Do you disagree? Or are you going to keep saying that I'm missing something without saying what that "something" is?

So ONCE AGAIN, How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

So did I say that.. NO.

Am I on the side of banning gun sales???

(Think carefully now)

No, you didn't say it. The BATFE, under Obama, said that. That is their entire rationale for preventing the import, and thereby preventing the sales. I'm surprised that you are defending them when I know you generally support gun rights. So why are you defending them?

Or do you think their published reasons for preventing import and sale are a load of BS and they have other reasons for the ban?

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[Nightingale 0]

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Wouldn't be surprised if some collectors oppose this since the imports would decrease their collection value.

I don't think most collectors would object, because it doesn't look like these things are in brand shiny mint condition. They'll probably end up in the hands of reenactors, the majority of which will never fire a live round out of them.

Of course, on the other hand, there's my friends...

I've got reenactor friends that BUILD world war one era replica guns. I've got reenactor friends that build working black powder rifles and pistol replicas from the 1500s. I have friends that build working full size cannon replicas from the 1500s. I have one friend that actually owns and shoots a real pistol from the 1600s. I think those are probably a lot scarier than imported M1s. And I shoot them all. Blanks and live rounds. I had great fun plinking old empty propane tanks with a flintlock rifle at 100 yards last Fourth of July. Figured what better way to celebrate the birth of our nation than by exercising my second amendment rights with a gun that was about the same age.

Those rifles are a piece of history and should be imported, first offered to museums, second to collectors, and third to reenactors, all of whom help keep that history alive for the next generation.

Plus, I wanna shoot one.

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That huge sucking sound that you hear is the WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH of the fact that there are PLENTY of those rifles already available on the market.

There are literally TONS of surplus dumped here every year... there is obviously more to this story than just your FEAR that the gun grabbing commies are out to get yall.

The BATFE put out their report. It's been linked in this thread. I addressed their points in this post. Do you disagree? Or are you going to keep saying that I'm missing something without saying what that "something" is?

So ONCE AGAIN, How do these rifles pose a threat to public safety?

So did I say that.. NO.

Am I on the side of banning gun sales???

(Think carefully now)

No, you didn't say it. The BATFE, under Obama, said that. That is their entire rationale for preventing the import, and thereby preventing the sales. I'm surprised that you are defending them when I know you generally support gun rights. So why are you defending them?

Or do you think their published reasons for preventing import and sale are a load of BS and they have other reasons for the ban?

YES other reasons. Like SO many LEO organizations they REALLY do not like to see themselves as being outgunned. They are not on the side of the citizenry ... no matter which administration is in office.

[JohnRich 4]

Update:

"Senator wants to lift limits on importing collectible guns"

“The Collectible Firearms Protection Act” would allow the import of curio or relic firearms by a licensed importer without the paperwork required by the U.S. Department of Defense.

Source: http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/crapo-wants-to-lift-limits-on-importing-collectible-guns/

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Obama admin. reconsidering ban on importation of historical M1 rifles from South Korea

"The United States Department of State is reconsidering last year's decision to block the importation of World War II rifles from the Republic of Korea..."

Source: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7609

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U.S. allows import of 86,000 M1 rifles from Korea

Washington has agreed to allow the importation of M1 Garand rifles from Seoul, reversing its earlier decision to ban the shipping of the weapon used by South Korean and U.S. soldiers during the 1950-53 Korean War, a senior defense official said Wednesday.

“The U.S. government approved the imports of some 86,000 of the rifles,” said Lee Sun-chul, deputy defense minister for force and resources management...

She noted that the U.S. government, however, rejected Seoul’s proposal to export some 600,000 M1 Carbines, which were also used in the Korean War, as they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds unlike the Garands...

Full story: Korea Times

Now, let's release those M1 Carbines too.

And I don't know where in the heck they got the idea that M1's sell for $220. If I could get them for that price, I'd buy a hundred of 'em. That may be what some importer is going to pay, but that's not the retail price. They actually sell for about $800 apiece for a run of the mill Garand in average condition.

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And I don't know where in the heck they got the idea that M1's sell for $220. If I could get them for that price, I'd buy a hundred of 'em.

Aint that the truth.

You can get a Mosin Nagant though for under a 100 just about anywhere. Those are fun. Only wish I had bought one earlier.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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Update:

U.S. allows import of 86,000 M1 rifles from Korea

Washington has agreed to allow the importation of M1 Garand rifles from Seoul, reversing its earlier decision to ban the shipping of the weapon used by South Korean and U.S. soldiers during the 1950-53 Korean War, a senior defense official said Wednesday.

“The U.S. government approved the imports of some 86,000 of the rifles,” said Lee Sun-chul, deputy defense minister for force and resources management...

She noted that the U.S. government, however, rejected Seoul’s proposal to export some 600,000 M1 Carbines, which were also used in the Korean War, as they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds unlike the Garands...

Full story: Korea Times

Now, let's release those M1 Carbines too.

And I don't know where in the heck they got the idea that M1's sell for $220. If I could get them for that price, I'd buy a hundred of 'em. That may be what some importer is going to pay, but that's not the retail price. They actually sell for about $800 apiece for a run of the mill Garand in average condition.

About 25 years ago I was in a Woolworth's in Upstate New York that had about a dozen M-1 Carbines for sale, out on a rack (unlocked and unsupervised) next to the fishing rods. I checked out the actions and dry-fired a few of them; they seemed to be in good working order. I no longer remember what price they were selling for, but they weren't very expensive. Times have changed.